Business class babies

[Pushka]

Children fly on airplanes. Fact. I do empathize with people who have to share a cabin, any class of cabin, with a noisy anything be it a child, a drunk adult, or (my personal experience) a loud swearing Australian in 1st class on a transcon US flight. But ban them? No way. Buy some earplugs or turn up the ANC.

Did you really have to mention Race here? Or are drunken Americans ok?

 

[aggie57]

Did you really have to mention Race here? Or are drunken Americans ok?

Australian is not a race, it is a nationality. And as one it was embarrassing.

 

[daft009]

not been affected by babies too much but I've had a full grown man kick my seat all night on a BA LHR to HK night flight. Back when I used to fly Y and had morning meetings!
got drunk but the FAs kept serving him.
I asked the guy to please stop kicking so I could get some sleep and he didn't stop.
I then complained to the FAs to be moved to another seat, they couldn't care less.
the guy's fiance apologised for his behaviour while I was complaining to the FAs and still nothing.

what a long & cough flight.
rather a crying baby over that any day!

Decided never to fly BA ever again

 

[Pushka]

Australian is not a race, it is a nationality. And as one it was embarrassing.

Still not on to select one group of people. Race/nationality/gender nor age. And so on.

 

[whiteshark]

Look at this little darling, isn't he lovely. I think with a performance like that he should get a business upgrade

 

[Lawrage]

Banning kids from Business Class, really. You know there are bassinets in J, pretty sure there are bassinets in F as well.

Why is it that some think they have a right to no kids just cause they pay / points a J seat. Sometimes a fully flex or last minute Y can be almost the same $, are they not also entitled to a peaceful flight.

Doesn't matter where you are sitting on the plane, at the end of the day you can't control who is sitting next to, behind or in front of you. With less seats in the higher cabins you just have more % chance of a more peaceful flight but its never guaranteed.

My most disturbed flight was a few years back was due to a very rude man, that doesn't mean I want to ban all men from flying.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Look at this little darling, isn't he lovely. I think with a performance like that he should get a business upgrade

I think that is an unacceptable situation. There are some people who just may not be able to fly, this is one of them.

 

[Leroy87]

It's just too tempting to not write a response to this thread

My worst flight ever was a full QF Y red-eye back from SIN-MEL where the guy behind me must have literally been 6'10. His knees were jammed so hard into the back of my seat I can't imagine how sore he would have been after 8 hours; when I sat down and straightaway felt the kink in my back I turned to glance at what it was - he looked so apologetic as to the situation we just shrugged and were resigned to our fate.

So yeah, ban tall people, smelly people, drunk people, overweight people, slow people, short people who can't reach the lockers, kids that are too young, people that type too loudly, people that laugh too loudly, people that snore, people that pay with coins, people that cough, people that might have a virus etc. etc... I've paid for my ticket lol, DYKWIA!!!

As for babies in J, it would be interesting to actually know how many paid J flights have been "ruined" by a crying baby? Are we talking 10% of all tickets, or 1%? The amount of passion some of these responses have elicited you'd think it would be almost 50%

We're doing long haul J to Europe next year with a 10 month old. We've got some practice 2-3 hour domestic flights to do beforehand to see what will work as every baby is different. We'll do our best and apologise if we inconvenience other passengers. But we have just as much right to be on the plane as anybody else, the airline says so

 

[drron]

Looking back and trying to remember all my premium cabin flights.A couple have certainly been quite adversely affected by crying infants,2 definitely by toddlers/young kids and once by grown children coming up from Y to spend the time with their parents in F.Now on each one of those occasions it was the parent/s that took absolutely no part in defusing the situation.So it is not the offspring that I have a problem with but certain parents whose file should be marked not to fly in premium cabins.I really have no problems if the parents are actively trying to defuse the situation and may indeed try to help by distracting the infant if I catch their eye.
On the other hand I can remember 1 flight with a really loud snorer.Fortunately it was during dinner service.He must have gone quiet or I was so tired that I slept.Two or three times I can remember pax being drunk but they after a while slept.Now others have experienced different scenarios and that is to be expected.

 

[Lawrage]

It's just too tempting to not write a response to this thread

My worst flight ever was a full QF Y red-eye back from SIN-MEL where the guy behind me must have literally been 6'10. His knees were jammed so hard into the back of my seat I can't imagine how sore he would have been after 8 hours; when I sat down and straightaway felt the kink in my back I turned to glance at what it was - he looked so apologetic as to the situation we just shrugged and were resigned to our fate.

So yeah, ban tall people, smelly people, drunk people, overweight people, slow people, short people who can't reach the lockers, kids that are too young, people that type too loudly, people that laugh too loudly, people that snore, people that pay with coins, people that cough, people that might have a virus etc. etc... I've paid for my ticket lol, DYKWIA!!!

As for babies in J, it would be interesting to actually know how many paid J flights have been "ruined" by a crying baby? Are we talking 10% of all tickets, or 1%? The amount of passion some of these responses have elicited you'd think it would be almost 50%

We're doing long haul J to Europe next year with a 10 month old. We've got some practice 2-3 hour domestic flights to do beforehand to see what will work as every baby is different. We'll do our best and apologise if we inconvenience other passengers. But we have just as much right to be on the plane as anybody else, the airline says so

Can only comment on my own experience but have yet to have a flight ruined for me by a baby or toddler. Maybe I just don't notice or the headphones drone out the noise. Most babies (not toddlers) I see on flights may cry a bit on take-off or landing but once in the air just sleep.

All the best with your Europe trip with the little one.

 

[Pushka]

It's just too tempting to not write a response to this thread

My worst flight ever was a full QF Y red-eye back from SIN-MEL where the guy behind me must have literally been 6'10. His knees were jammed so hard into the back of my seat I can't imagine how sore he would have been after 8 hours; when I sat down and straightaway felt the kink in my back I turned to glance at what it was - he looked so apologetic as to the situation we just shrugged and were resigned to our fate.

So yeah, ban tall people, smelly people, drunk people, overweight people, slow people, short people who can't reach the lockers, kids that are too young, people that type too loudly, people that laugh too loudly, people that snore, people that pay with coins, people that cough, people that might have a virus etc. etc... I've paid for my ticket lol, DYKWIA!!!

As for babies in J, it would be interesting to actually know how many paid J flights have been "ruined" by a crying baby? Are we talking 10% of all tickets, or 1%? The amount of passion some of these responses have elicited you'd think it would be almost 50%

We're doing long haul J to Europe next year with a 10 month old. We've got some practice 2-3 hour domestic flights to do beforehand to see what will work as every baby is different. We'll do our best and apologise if we inconvenience other passengers. But we have just as much right to be on the plane as anybody else, the airline says so

You sound very well prepared. And you are not the traveller who would cause most here any angst. Its always the parents who dont care about the impact their baby/toddler/child/teenager has on others that give the most grief.

 

[Denali]

Look at this little darling, isn't he lovely. I think with a performance like that he should get a business upgrade

I remember when this first happened and back then I was a judgey B and pitied everyone involved but the kid doesnt seem to be verbal, I wonder if hes on some sort of spectrum - pure speculation/uneducated guess by me but I do notice he doesnt seem to be saying actual words.

If anything, finally, an actual example on why support animals should be allowed on flights, if he had one that is. Anything to relax him.

Poor everyone on that flight, inc the kid and the childs parents. Lets be honest, if this was your child 24/7, you would have a weep some days because its not easy.

 

[AisleSeat]

Perhaps this is a little off-topic, but still relevant.

I have no experience travelling with a child in J, but plenty in Y. Our upcoming long-haul trip will be the first with two children. No doubt it will be more testing than with one.

From what I've gathered on my travels as a parent, it seems that a lot of adults travelling with children have no definitive plan of action for what to do on a plane when their child kicks off, be it just crying when they're tired or going in to full meltdown for whatever reason.

(Ie. When my daughter used to cry on long-haul, I'd put her in the carrier and go to the very back of the plane and rock her, where it's a bit noisier and minimises disruption to the majority of the cabin. Granted this doesn't work on every plane type.)

When you're stuck in a confined space for hours with a couple hundred other people, you absolutely have to have a plan, you can't just roll on and expect to wing it (puns intended), for your sanity and everyone elses.

 

[get me outta here]

I think kids are a bit like adults, some of them are obnoxious and some are OK, even very nice. One of things that I learned from taking it myself was not to take Phenergan (I think it's called). I had one of the worst trips of my life after taking that. If I'd been a toddler with no self control I would've screamed for the whole flight too, it was torture.
Also, do not feed the kid any sugar the day of the flight - on a long drive my daughter got peas and carrots pieces for snacks.

 

[Danielb56]

Ah, I think Pazz agrees with you

Yeah I know...I was agreeing with Paz...

 

[Lawrage]

Also, do not feed the kid any sugar the day of the flight - on a long drive my daughter got peas and carrots pieces for snacks.

This, why oh why do the airlines insist on providing kids meals with everything sugar based. Its just asking for a hyped up child for the flight.

 

[JohnK]

There are lots of things that annoy different people at different times. Leaking noise from headphones, snoring (guilty here), loud gum chewing, non-stop drunk giggling at anything (why do people think this is ok and put up with it?), feet on seats/armrests, poor personal hygiene and on and on. Make your own list.

If I can put up with these then I can put up being around a baby for a few hours. And in my 15 years flying regularly I can only think of one situation and thag was a spoilt 7-8 year old girl not a baby.

 

[Matt_01]

There are lots of things that annoy different people at different times. Leaking noise from headphones, snoring (guilty here), loud gum chewing, non-stop drunk giggling at anything (why do people think this is ok and put up with it?), feet on seats/armrests, poor personal hygiene and on and on. Make your own list.

If I can put up with these then I can put up being around a baby for a few hours. And in my 15 years flying regularly I can only think of one situation and thag was a spoilt 7-8 year old girl not a baby.

Whilst I have read a number of your posts and sometimes disagree with your opinions I think you are on the money here. I flew back from HK to AU last night. On initial and last count there were 5-6 midgets in J I thought "oh cough' I need some sleep I am going straight to work. Not one of the midgets made a peep, they all just went to sleep. I have been travelling with my daughter since she was 6 months old and I more often than not get irritated by adults in the J cabin.

My mother who is +70 still recants the story of when I was was a kid getting on to a Pan Am flight in LHR overhearing 2 old ladies stating they fly F class so they do not have to travel with children, my Mum's response was we fly in F class so we do not have to put up with 'whinging old bags'.

 

[suze2000]

Look at this little darling, isn't he lovely. I think with a performance like that he should get a business upgrade

Watching this actually feels to me a lot like the flight I was talking about earlier. It wasn't the same kid, but the noise and lack of action from the parents was similar.

 

[Matt_01]

Watching this actually feels to me a lot like the flight I was talking about earlier. It wasn't the same kid, but the noise and lack of action from the parents was similar.

Seen these video's before, a Y performance not J, the subject of this thread.