CGK Airport - LAG Check on Boarding to Oz

[randompunter]

Wasn't done for VA flight HND - CNS. I would not have surrendered my Melon Soda bought airside. Not without a headline-creating fight anyway.

Flew ex SGN on Bamboo last year and they had a little LAGs check table set up at the gate with no real security or proper lines. Just walked right past in a scrum and wasn't stopped. Just more ridiculous security theatre. Staff clearly didnt care.

 

[jpp42]

The funny part is that the US doesn't require this any more for US-bound flights, and neither the UK to my knowledge, and they're the ones that started the whole liquid and gel hysteria back in 2006: 2006 transatlantic aircraft plot - Wikipedia .
I don't know if Australian authorities consider us a softer target somehow? Yet we have no LAG restrictions on domestic flights, despite some of our domestic flights being widebodies and able to cause just as much death and destruction. Security theater just never adds up...

 

[justinbrett]

The funny part is that the US doesn't require this any more for US-bound flights, and neither the UK to my knowledge, and they're the ones that started the whole liquid and gel hysteria back in 2006: 2006 transatlantic aircraft plot - Wikipedia .
I don't know if Australian authorities consider us a softer target somehow? Yet we have no LAG restrictions on domestic flights, despite some of our domestic flights being widebodies and able to cause just as much death and destruction. Security theater just never adds up...

What is your source for the US dropping its liquids ban? The UK has started to relax restrictions on departure but only where 3D scanners are present, and currently that doesn't include any long haul international airport (ie not LHR/LGW).

A quick search of the major Asian airlines all say the restriction remains.

 

[bcworld]

Yet we have no LAG restrictions on domestic flights, despite some of our domestic flights being widebodies and able to cause just as much death and destruction. Security theater just never adds up...

This is the most ridiculous aspect of the whole secondary screening rule. Liquids on aircraft are either dangerous or they're not. Not having restrictions on domestic but confiscating post security liquids for inbound international is so ridiculous.

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I've also had 'the check' in SIN and KUL.

Everyone gets 'the check' at SIN...security is at each gate, not in a central location.

 

[sudoer]

This is the most ridiculous aspect of the whole secondary screening rule. Liquids on aircraft are either dangerous or they're not. Not having restrictions on domestic but confiscating post security liquids for inbound international is so ridiculous.

I can somewhat understand the decision - our respective agencies should have a much better idea of threats already on home soil.

 

[bcworld]

I can somewhat understand the decision - our respective agencies should have a much better idea of threats already on home soil.

If domestic terror events had never happened here, I'd maybe agree...but...

Instead Australia's domestic liquid regs are a huge international outlier.

 

[eminere]

This happened to us in DPS last month. It's not that you're not allowed water onboard it's that's they confiscate any plastic containers. So you can have one of the those expensive $15-$20 plastic containers that I buy for daughter and they confiscate those as well.

That is bizarre.

 

[dajop]

Everyone gets 'the check' at SIN...security is at each gate, not in a central location.

Except passengers travelling on JQ8 to MEL (which goes from T4 which has centralised security). I don’t recall having a gate check for LAGs the one time I took that flight.

 

[Flyfrequently]

I've also had 'the check' in SIN and KUL.

Same at DPS and DXB @Hvr & @Rosege

 

[jpp42]

What is your source for the US dropping its liquids ban? The UK has started to relax restrictions on departure but only where 3D scanners are present, and currently that doesn't include any long haul international airport (ie not LHR/LGW).

I didn't say they are dropping their liquids bans, more that they are relaxing the additional inspection at the gate (in airports where there is already a centralised security which bans outside liquids as normal). For example, I recently flew FJ, SYD-NAN-LAX, and there was no gate security check for the NAN-LAX segment, even though liquids were available for purchase in the NAN terminal, but the check applied for the NAN-SYD flight on return. I don't know the full details of if/when the secondary inspection still applies, sorry - maybe it's similar to Australia where some airports are whitelisted, and US and AU treat NAN differently? Certainly, outbound departures from AU -> US direct no longer has the liquids check at the gate, though they still have extra security personnel checking those little stickers they put on your passport at check-in.

 

[justinbrett]

I didn't say they are dropping their liquids bans, more that they are relaxing the additional inspection at the gate (in airports where there is already a centralised security which bans outside liquids as normal). For example, I recently flew FJ, SYD-NAN-LAX, and there was no gate security check for the NAN-LAX segment, even though liquids were available for purchase in the NAN terminal, but the check applied for the NAN-SYD flight on return. I don't know the full details of if/when the secondary inspection still applies, sorry - maybe it's similar to Australia where some airports are whitelisted, and US and AU treat NAN differently? Certainly, outbound departures from AU -> US direct no longer has the liquids check at the gate, though they still have extra security personnel checking those little stickers they put on your passport at check-in.

I just returned from APW yesterday and there were no checks at the gate.

So it's not a carte blanche policy, as you say it probably just depends on which country trusts which airport. I don't think there's any real policy difference between AU/UK/US on this.

I can't remember the last time I was checked for liquids at an Australian gate flying to the US.

 

[bcworld]

So it's not a carte blanche policy, as you say it probably just depends on which country trusts which airport. I don't think there's any real policy difference between AU/UK/US on this.

I don't think the UK is subjecting anyone to secondary security screening. It has certainly never happened to me in Thailand or UAE, when it does on flights to Australia from those countries.

 

[Cheatah]

There are no secondary checks at the gate for flights to the UK, there are gate checks at UK airports for flights to the US(random, a lot less these days)

Australia needs to get with the times, the idea it needs secondary checks for liquids at the gate when countries such as US/UK dont is ridiculous.

 

[justinbrett]

There are no secondary checks at the gate for flights to the UK, there are gate checks at UK airports for flights to the US(random, a lot less these days)

Australia needs to get with the times, the idea it needs secondary checks for liquids at the gate when countries such as US/UK dont is ridiculous.

But there are no gate checks for Australian flights from US, UK or NZ airports (amongst others). it’s all about the security processes of the airport in question.

There’s definitely gate checks on flights to LHR from SIN and KUL. I’m sure others too but I can definitely speak for those two.

 

[dajop]

There's another factor that also differentiates Australia and US flights from the rest - at least at SIN (where at T1-3 there is never a need for secondary gate checks as the primary LAGS check happens at the gate) - is that Duty Free must be delivered to the gate, and can only be purchased at SIN (not at airport of origin or onboard if transiting from another flight).

 

[dajop]

So if you refer to the relevant regulations (Aviation Transport Security Regulations 2005), latest version from 1 July 2023:

Federal Register of Legislation - Aviation Transport Security Regulations 2005

www.legislation.gov.au

It mentions that an "exempt country means New Zealand or the United States of America", and the onus is on the aircraft operator:

 

[bcworld]

There’s definitely gate checks on flights to LHR from SIN and KUL.

At both of these airports...EVERYONE does primary security screening at the gate (except SIN T4 it seems...which has no flights to LHR). It has nothing to do with the destination.

 

[QF029]

I had this in DPS a few weeks back and I'd stockpiled 4 of the skinny coke zero cans for the JQ flight home. I wasn't 100% sure what they were looking for but managed to fit 3 cans in my pockets and they confiscated the one remaining in my bag.

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The silly part if there's a shop selling water right next to the check point.

Presumably you're aware this is an AUS specific thing and DPS have flights to countries other than Australia.

 

[bcworld]

I had this in DPS a few weeks back and I'd stockpiled 4 of the skinny coke zero cans for the JQ flight home. I wasn't 100% sure what they were looking for but managed to fit 3 bottles in my pockets and they confiscated the one remaining in my bad.

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You know....I never really considered that before...they only look in bags at secondary checking...not on the person...which makes the whole thing even more of a farce. Once when I boarded a JQ flight from HKT-MEL people were just walking past the bag check anyway...security staff didn't say or do anything. It's time for the whole thing to end.

 

[JohnK]

Presumably you're aware this is an AUS specific thing and DPS have flights to countries other than Australia.

Yes but it's still funny that you can buy a drink and then close to boarding they confiscate.

Where is this advertised? Certainly not at checkin. Where else? Why are they confiscating empty plastic bottles? Luckily my daughters expensive plastic water bottle was in checked luggage otherwise that would been gone too.