China travel bans from Late 2022

N860CR said:
Well looks like China is a significant step closer to being fully open from early Jan. Hopefully this will see the return of more Chinese carriers and help to correct the airfare prices (especially to Europe).

That said, Japan has just reintroduced testing for passengers who have been in China in the previous 7 days… 3 years on and the cycle begins again 🙄
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India has already implemented mandatory testing for several countries. Can't say I blame them.
 
Must...Fly! said:
Yes but my point was the ban being other way around...
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Well it started out with everyone banning flights from China in, maybe, January 2020. Then it was mutual for a while. And in recent months it has been China banning flights. It seems pretty immaterial which way round it works - and it stuffs up the global economy and limits options for global travel. I am glad it is coming to an end, although China will be experiencing the full effects of 'let it rip', just like the rest of us have done.
 
When we start with bans here and there (and generally only for places we don’t like/are scared of - remember India, Southern Africa etc), we just revert back to 2020 thinking.

The virus is endemic. The one thing China has proven is that no level of mask wearing or hysteria can stop it. Worst case mortality modeling from China suggests total deaths running at about 30 days worth of the country’s daily death rate.

The last thing we need is to go back to blame games and selective enforcement.
 
The difference is we don’t know the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine, and in a population without any immunity. A lot of Chinese travel in large tour groups where it would spread like wild fire.

I reckon this is a partly political that post covid many counties are pivoting away from the mass tourism experience.
 
N860CR said:
When we start with bans here and there (and generally only for places we don’t like/are scared of - remember India, Southern Africa etc), we just revert back to 2020 thinking.

The virus is endemic. The one thing China has proven is that no level of mask wearing or hysteria can stop it. Worst case mortality modeling from China suggests total deaths running at about 30 days worth of the country’s daily death rate.

The last thing we need is to go back to blame games and selective enforcement.
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Agree 100%. The response in 2020 might have been appropriate because the virus then was more deadly and there were no vaccines. Now the virus has mutated and we have some level of medicinal defence, we need to accept that Covid is with us, do what we can at a personal level to minimise risk, but get on with our lives unless/until something radical changes.
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jrfsp said:
The difference is we don’t know the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine, and in a population without any immunity. A lot of Chinese travel in large tour groups where it would spread like wild fire.
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That is very much China's problem and not a reason for banning Chinese travellers. Vaccines have shifted the onus onto individuals to protect themselves rather than asking governments to take population-wide measures to reduce transmission.
 
Mr H said:
Agree 100%. The response in 2020 might have been appropriate because the virus then was more deadly and there were no vaccines. Now the virus has mutated and we have some level of medicinal defence, we need to accept that Covid is with us, do what we can at a personal level to minimise risk, but get on with our lives unless/until something radical changes.
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That is very much China's problem and not a reason for banning Chinese travellers. Vaccines have shifted the onus onto individuals to protect themselves rather than asking governments to take population-wide measures to reduce transmission.
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The issue However is What happens when Chinese tourists require medical assistance for covid overseas? How much spare capacity do we have ? In terms of vulnerability of visiting tourists, they would be near the top
 
jrfsp said:
The difference is we don’t know the efficacy of the Chinese vaccine, and in a population without any immunity. A lot of Chinese travel in large tour groups where it would spread like wild fire.

I reckon this is a partly political that post covid many counties are pivoting away from the mass tourism experience.
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We do know our western vaccines don’t prevent transmission (and were never intended to do so), so exactly the same could be said for an American tour group. Or, gasp, even an Australian one.

Second point I agree with. No doubt it’s political, as this all was from day 1.
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jrfsp said:
The issue However is What happens when Chinese tourists require medical assistance for covid overseas? How much spare capacity do we have ? In terms of vulnerability of visiting tourists, they would be near the top
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Contrary to popular belief, we are a highly developed country with a highly functioning health care system. There’s plenty of capacity to treat a few fully-paying foreign nationals. Given the average person on an international holiday is fairly healthy, chances are 99% of them will just need a bit of panadol.

I’ll be the first welcoming them back, and quite happily accepting the competition their major carriers bring
 
jrfsp said:
The issue However is What happens when Chinese tourists require medical assistance for covid overseas? How much spare capacity do we have ? In terms of vulnerability of visiting tourists, they would be near the top
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I guess it's a risk the world would have to manage. The virus is less severe than it used to be so most people getting it would not need hospitalisation. And the likely demographic profile of Chinese tourists would not be the most vulnerable people in Chinese society (i.e. mostly not elderly, impoverished and inform). Plus, if the Chinese vaccine is demonstrably ineffective (and is there a reason to think it might be?) then I expect they would not be long in adopting better vaccines. There may be some waves to ride, but they will be ridden.
 
N860CR said:
When we start with bans here and there (and generally only for places we don’t like/are scared of - remember India, Southern Africa etc), we just revert back to 2020 thinking.

The virus is endemic. The one thing China has proven is that no level of mask wearing or hysteria can stop it. Worst case mortality modeling from China suggests total deaths running at about 30 days worth of the country’s daily death rate.

The last thing we need is to go back to blame games and selective enforcement.
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I can fully understand why countries like India are doing pre testing for some countries. Their hospital systems are lacking even in good times. This isn't about blame. Just managing the health system. Australia has no need for this action. But many countries do.
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Mr H said:
I guess it's a risk the world would have to manage. The virus is less severe than it used to be so most people getting it would not need hospitalisation. And the likely demographic profile of Chinese tourists would not be the most vulnerable people in Chinese society (i.e. mostly not elderly, impoverished and inform). Plus, if the Chinese vaccine is demonstrably ineffective (and is there a reason to think it might be?) then I expect they would not be long in adopting better vaccines. There may be some waves to ride, but they will be ridden.
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The world is not equal. The issue with China is the poor vaccine quality and take up.
 
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N860CR said:
Well looks like China is a significant step closer to being fully open from early Jan. Hopefully this will see the return of more Chinese carriers and help to correct the airfare prices (especially to Europe).
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Good luck with that one.

It could be that more Chinese pax (by the million) means greater strain on existing resources and hence higher fares.

And not to mention the possibility of additional Covid restrictions around the world (just a sad fact, I'm afraid).

I'll be interested to see if you were right in 12 months time.
 
clifford said:
Good luck with that one.

It could be that more Chinese pax (by the million) means greater strain on existing resources and hence higher fares.

And not to mention the possibility of additional Covid restrictions around the world (just a sad fact, I'm afraid).

I'll be interested to see if you were right in 12 months time.
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The main reason airfares are high is because we don’t have the capacity we previously did. The Chinese carriers provided an awful lot of that, especially to Europe.

But yes, I know you’re getting excited about more covid restrictions 🙄.
 
USA have joined the negative test party. Probably more political than anything. Suspect we will follow suit shortly. Whatever, as long as this isn't the first domino to fall I could hardly care less.

Quite possibly motivated by the fact no one has any idea how bad the situation is in China which is understandable in a sense.
 
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