China - what is actually the reality there?

[p--and--t]

No probs - I will stop posting the links to articles published by those on the ground in China right now - no biggie

Whether the information is believed or not by some persons, it is informative to post relevant information from multiple sources.

I am also aware by reviewing multiple sources of information that the stats coming out of NYC for example are merely indicative and definitely not completely accurate.

I believe it is only by intellectually reviewing and assessing multiple information sources does one begin to understand or at least form a more accurate version of their own "truth".

Please continue to post.

(FYI: I am also a doubter of some of the information coming forth from Wuhan and the numbers quoted. But that is irrelevant)

 

[Cruiser Elite]

Please continue to post.

No way - I am a man of my word - if I say I am out - I am out!!!

Meanwhile back at the Duck Restaurant - Beijing Schools Due To Re-Open andNo Racism in Guangzhou

FTR: There has always been racism by Chinese nationals directed at foreigners - I have witnessed this time and time again in the last 20 years - in particular towards dark skinned foreigners - but as always just like Australia it is from a small percentage of the population - simply ignorance and fear of the unknown.

We have a couple small shipments we are trying to get air freighted from Shanghai and Guangzhou but all available cargo space is being prioritised to medical equipment and supplies

 

[Cruiser Elite]

Nanjing:

 

[Cruiser Elite]

Hangzhou:

 

[get me outta here]

Trump says that the WHO favours China over poor old America. Now, WHO has confirmed it by saying that it is fine for the China wet markets to re open. Really?

 

[Pushka]

Trump says that the WHO favours China over poor old America. Now, WHO has confirmed it by saying that it is fine for the China wet markets to re open. Really?

Sometimes even idiots speak the truth.

 

[There'sOnlyOneJimmy]

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day...

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Hangzhou:

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Those last two questions there is really only one answer - unless you want them to get a knock on the door within an hour or two

 

[Cruiser Elite]

Yes obviously I was critically aware just how far I could go and what I could ask

 

[Pushka]

Just heard that Trump has withdrawn finance from WHO. I suspect the wet market issue was the final straw. Good on him.

 

[Isochronous]

Just heard that Trump has withdrawn finance from WHO. I suspect the wet market issue was the final straw. Good on him.

Thank goodness we have Trump as POTUS and not some politically correct nansy-pansy. Most UN committees (the Human Rights one notoriously) and other international fora have been hijacked by dictatorships and other malign regimes for far too long notwithstanding the West paying for most of them.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Thank goodness we have Trump as POTUS and not some politically correct nansy-pansy. Most UN committees (the Human Rights one notoriously) and other international fora have been hijacked by dictatorships and other malign regimes for far too long notwithstanding the West paying for most of them.

Ahhaha. Excellent. Should be in the humour thread!

 

[p--and--t]

[I love playing devil's advocate]

Yes, China has allowed wet markets to reopen. But have instituted a ban on wild animals (which appears from western reporters on the ground to being enforced) and also introduced new cleaning regimes.

Wet markets are in operation the majority of countries in the world, they don't have the cleaning regimes introduced by China. If they can have wet markets, why can't China.

Are the POTUS actions merely another deflection from his inaction driven by a determination that his mates not be impacted by the stock market crashes and his embarrassment at having declared he will have all churches open by Easter.

BTW: I have visited some wet markets on tours in 3 different countries and was horrified, but is that just my western sensibilities?

 

[get me outta here]

He seems to be having a bit of a 'turn' everyday. He really wants the WHO to take the blame that some of his detractors are trying to blame him for, such as a shocking wait time to do anything re the CV. I may be a tad jaded, but this is all about him not taking any blame for well, anything really. If I were him and I had to stand up to do briefings and stand and listen the his offsiders every day for hours I'd be pretty bored with it too. He is missing his rallies.

Just heard that Trump has withdrawn finance from WHO. I suspect the wet market issue was the final straw. Good on him.

 

[TheRealTMA]

He seems to be having a bit of a 'turn' everyday. He really wants the WHO to take the blame that some of his detractors are trying to blame him for, such as a shocking wait time to do anything re the CV. I may be a tad jaded, but this is all about him not taking any blame for well, anything really. If I were him and I had to stand up to do briefings and stand and listen the his offsiders every day for hours I'd be pretty bored with it too. He is missing his rallies.

I'm surprised that the GOP aren't resorting to the quaint American traditional solution to get rid of a president.

 

[get me outta here]

However, China had introduced a lower tax regime for live animal exporters as so many rely on it in China. And, many countries with similar cultural beliefs that somehow a bit of an animal (incl those terribly, terribly sad sun bears 'milked' for bile, which I can't even think about), want to keep using the natural remedies. I wonder if the next outbreak will be elsewhere and not in China.

[I love playing devil's advocate]

Yes, China has allowed wet markets to reopen. But have instituted a ban on wild animals (which appears from western reporters on the ground to being enforced) and also introduced new cleaning regimes.

Wet markets are in operation the majority of countries in the world, they don't have the cleaning regimes introduced by China. If they can have wet markets, why can't China.

Are the POTUS actions merely another deflection from his inaction driven by a determination that his mates not be impacted by the stock market crashes and his embarrassment at having declared he will have all churches open by Easter.

BTW: I have visited some wet markets on tours in 3 different countries and was horrified, but is that just my western sensibilities?

 

[Pushka]

[I love playing devil's advocate]

Yes, China has allowed wet markets to reopen. But have instituted a ban on wild animals (which appears from western reporters on the ground to being enforced) and also introduced new cleaning regimes.

Wet markets are in operation the majority of countries in the world, they don't have the cleaning regimes introduced by China. If they can have wet markets, why can't China.

Are the POTUS actions merely another deflection from his inaction driven by a determination that his mates not be impacted by the stock market crashes and his embarrassment at having declared he will have all churches open by Easter.

BTW: I have visited some wet markets on tours in 3 different countries and was horrified, but is that just my western sensibilities?

I guess my question, apart from acknowledging my abhorrence of cruel animal practises for human gain, is how many more viral infections originating in China does there need to be before the practise is stopped? For whatever reason and I don't know the answer, the markets in China are particularly vulnerable. I know of three just in recent years.

I don't like Trump. I think he's a fool. But he does call a spade a spade.

 

[get me outta here]

And anyone who calls a spade a shovel is obviously a fake to him, and that covers pretty much everyone, even his best mates at Fox at times.

I don't like Trump. I think he's a fool. But he does call a spade a spade.

 

[p--and--t]

I guess my question, apart from acknowledging my abhorrence of cruel animal practises for human gain,

Covid is very infectious and has had a tremendous impact on the world due to that fact (and inaction and unfamiliarity and lack of a vaccine), not how lethal it is - maybe 1-2%. And it appears at this stage did crossover in China.

But lets not leave out some of the most virulent & lethal virus' in modern times that crossed over from animals and poor hygiene practices and all did not originate in China. Marburg, Ebola, Rabies, HIV, Smallpox, Hantavirus, Dengue to name a few. Some of these have a 25-100% untreated death rate.

We have a tendency to overlook these because either we have a vaccine, or they are currently well controlled/suppressed or they are not as infectious.

The current daily onslaught of death and destruction in the media is horrendous and very saddening given our technology and comms networks, but we are in the 10,000's death. The 1918 outbreak of the flu killed some 50M people

If we as a race, manage to control Covid relatively successfully in the next 6 months, there is a strong possibility it will kill less people than the annual seasonal flu.

Our abattoirs are essentially a sophisticated "wet market" with enhanced hygiene controls. Western carnivores will never allow the closure of abattoirs but will jump on poorer countries with less resources, less education, terrible hygiene practices.

Maybe the solution is to move to change the practices, not tell people they can't feed themselves, can't eat meat.

 

[Pushka]

Maybe the solution is to move to change the practices, not tell people they can't feed themselves, can't eat meat.

Isn't that exactly what closing the wet market concept where live animals are killed on the spot is doing? I'm not a vegetarian.