[Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26] was 10April

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Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26] was 10Apri

The trouble with that argument is that SC earn is vitally important to a lot of QF customers to obtain/retain status, if you don't think SC earn is important then I assume you would have no problem having your SC balance reset to 0 ? It takes quite a lot of money to obtain/retain Gold or Plat status flying QF (whether its lots and lots of Y class flying or still quite an investment in J or F class fares)....

Pure and simple - they are attempting (piecemeal fashion) to eliminate members achieving status via point redemption.

Seems to be working given the number of members here that have voiced their displeasure and intention to take their business elsewhere....
 
Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26] was 10Apri

Pure and simple - they are attempting (piecemeal fashion) to eliminate members achieving status via point redemption.

Seems to be working given the number of members here that have voiced their displeasure and intention to take their business elsewhere....

So their own currency (QFF Points) has now dropped in value...? With cash being the preferred payment method...
 
Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26] was 10Apri

So their own currency (QFF Points) has now dropped in value...? With cash being the preferred payment method...

QFF has devalued many times in the years I've been a member. IIRC early 2000's they raised the point cost to redeem by around 30%-40%.....can't remember exact details however, I remember paying a lot more in points for our holidays to BKK.

I've never looked at my points as currency. They've always been something that I was given mainly from unrelated transactions via a CC....never really paid a cost for them until I learnt about ATO/CC hauls :D

As I've posted before - the AFF point whales have got it all worked out. They earn truck loads of points and spend them on SQ First Suites.....these guys don't give a toss about status:!:
 
Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26] was 10Apri

I recently booked an mASA to Singapore. 60k points + $430 in business one-way. The agent I booked through straight away knew what I was after and was quickly able to help.

The problem came 2 days later when I noticed I got charged the $60 booking fee. So I called up to get the refund and this time I got an operator who had no clue with regards to the mASA I booked. At first she flat out told me nothing was removed from the website when it was upgraded at the end of June and I was wrong, the ASA was still available online. I tried explaining to her the changes for 5 minutes but she still didn't get it or believe me insisting she had "Been trained in the matter". I would normally hang up and spin the operator dice again at this point, but I was frustrated that she was saying I was wrong and if I hung up she would carry on being oblivious to the next poor customer like me.

It took 25mins of being on hold whilst she consulted some other department before she finally came back and had to eat some humble pie. She still didn't obviously get it though because she was saying how I'm better off booking a Classic fare because they're better value :rolleyes:

I miss the days I could book it online...

you don't have your status listed but I'd be interested to know I'd this was via the platinum or regular line?

red roo... the phone agent attitude outlined above is not exclusive to the booking of mASAs.

as a former platinum I found reservations staff extremely helpful and knowledgeable. they worked with you to achieve outcomes.

as I dropped down the status ladder and became exposed to the general call centre, the knowledge and assumptions by some phone agents have changed accordingly.

gone, in many cases, is the predisposition to work with you. gone, in many cases, is the predisposition that I, the passenger, might actually know what I'm talking about.

it's not uncommon now to get a response 'you can't do that', or 'you have never been able to do that'. when clearly we can/could. even a request by the passenger to 'please try' can be met with an indignant 'I've already told you that it's not possible [and I am the expert working for qantas so I should know]'.

I think it was a former Lufthansa CEO who went on the record as saying that his airline recognises even their top premium passengers will sometimes fly economy. and so the economy experience still has to be as respectful and pleasant as possible.

it might be a good idea for this mantra to be shared by supervisors at call centre team meetings. this might include some sort of recognition that contact with the call centre is part of the overall experience with qantas. that a 'we know better' attitude by call staff may not cancel the immediate sale, but it might detract the passenger from further bookings with qantas. that sometimes a passenger might actually have a valid point which should be explored rather than dismissed out-of-hand.

on landing, several American airlines include a line stating 'we know you have a choice of carriers and appreciate you choosing to fly with us today'. it would be mighty nice if those not pulling their weight in the qantas call centre believed that as well.
 
Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

I'm with you Limewood here is the answer from today's melb AFF lunch..

Re: Qantas Loyalty MEL lunch (03SEP13) attendees thread

Pre dessert discussion ...

*ASA's are here to stay for the "foreseeable future", but by telephone only ...



even that posted on this thread would have been something...or is Red Roo too scared to put words down in black and white???​

I wonder how far into the future they can see ???? :rolleyes:
 
Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26] was 10Apri

you don't have your status listed but I'd be interested to know I'd this was via the platinum or regular line?

red roo... the phone agent attitude outlined above is not exclusive to the booking of mASAs.

as a former platinum I found reservations staff extremely helpful and knowledgeable. they worked with you to achieve outcomes.

as I dropped down the status ladder and became exposed to the general call centre, the knowledge and assumptions by some phone agents have changed accordingly.

gone, in many cases, is the predisposition to work with you. gone, in many cases, is the predisposition that I, the passenger, might actually know what I'm talking about.

it's not uncommon now to get a response 'you can't do that', or 'you have never been able to do that'. when clearly we can/could. even a request by the passenger to 'please try' can be met with an indignant 'I've already told you that it's not possible [and I am the expert working for qantas so I should know]'.

I think it was a former Lufthansa CEO who went on the record as saying that his airline recognises even their top premium passengers will sometimes fly economy. and so the economy experience still has to be as respectful and pleasant as possible.

it might be a good idea for this mantra to be shared by supervisors at call centre team meetings. this might include some sort of recognition that contact with the call centre is part of the overall experience with qantas. that a 'we know better' attitude by call staff may not cancel the immediate sale, but it might detract the passenger from further bookings with qantas. that sometimes a passenger might actually have a valid point which should be explored rather than dismissed out-of-hand.

on landing, several American airlines include a line stating 'we know you have a choice of carriers and appreciate you choosing to fly with us today'. it would be mighty nice if those not pulling their weight in the qantas call centre believed that as well.



cambriamarsh said:
good point. maybe it's a presentation issue

... and maybe it's a remuneration issue.

Some call centres reward staff for getting customer calls cleared within stipulated time-frames; I suspect some also penalise staff for not meeting these. Maybe different areas of the QF Call Centre reward staff differently: the Platinum Line are rewarded for a successful outcome measured on Feedback Surveys rather than the elapsed time of various calls.

I'm pretty sure that we'll never know (unless some ex QFCC employee happened across this thread) however MEL_travellers suggestion would sit nicely with an organisation which actually cared about providing genuine customer service rather than regarding customers as a list which needed to be churned as quickly as possible.

Then again, I'll bet the poor QFCC staff come across more DYKWIA, pompous, illiterates than your average knowledgeable AFF reader!! Are the two mutually exclusive?

Regards,

BD
 
Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

I wonder how far into the future they can see ???? :rolleyes:

about 5 minutes.

Pre dessert discussion ...

*ASA's are here to stay for the "foreseeable future", but by telephone only ...

as the inconvenience continues.
 
Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

It’s evident that Qantas failed to consider the implications of removing MASA’s from the website which resulted in the call centre work around. If you take something away from your customers you need to replace it with something that is on par or better. The absolute absurd impracticality imposed on customers and call centre staff is evident throughout this thread. This is of course unless the intent is to change consumer behaviour to develop and drive other areas of the business which appears to be the case.

Apart from Red Roo’s comments, to date all we have is information from open and closed channels within Qantas, Rockpool lunches for AFF members and video of Stephanie Tully that she doesn’t want hosted publically. Wow lets contain the situation through further poor communication by trickle feeding information. Great SOP and I fail to see the logic here. Perhaps they could’ve organised to live stream it somewhere or at least post a online transcript to be open and transparent.

Qantas previously indicated they are aware of the online concerns and will evaluate the matter after 3 months. It would be interesting to know what the evaluation criteria and threshold would be to reintroduce MASA's to the website. I don’t believe for a second that they couldn’t or wouldn’t reintroduce MASA’s if there was a business case for it, there simply isn’t one suited to the Qantas strategy at this time.

In LOTFAP consumer power and backlash has influenced major corporations to change process and procedures. As mentioned previously by another AFF member this probably needs a wider audience external to AFF. This guy managed to find an intuitive cost effective way to approach his problem.

Passenger Hasan Syed's paid tweet gets results on Twitter with British Airways | News.com.au
 
Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

If reintroducing MASAs to the new booking system is too difficult, all they would need to do is add a simple checkbox to the Classic Award booking form that says "I want to earn points/SCs for this award booking", and charge the appropriate extra fee.
 
Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

If reintroducing MASAs to the new booking system is too difficult, all they would need to do is add a simple checkbox to the Classic Award booking form that says "I want to earn points/SCs for this award booking", and charge the appropriate extra fee.

That's a good one, funny! But the issue was that YASA/JASA/FASA's weren't meant to be booked, it was just a failing of the old system that they couldn't fix. With the system update, it's no longer a flaw. I'm not sure why they'd want to reintroduce that back?
 
Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26] was 10Apri

Just noticed in an email spruiking their program and ASA's.

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Any Seat Awards - Qantas & Jetstar Any Seat Awards allow you to use your Qantas Points to book any available seat on a Qantas or Jetstar flight. Any Seat Awards provides choice and flexibility, so you can choose the flight that suits your preferred travel times.[SUP]Ω[/SUP]

Ok where is the choice and what is so flexible about needing to call QF to book an ASA when their was an option to book it online till recently?
 
Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26] was 10Apri

Ok where is the choice and what is so flexible about needing to call QF to book an ASA when their was an option to book it online till recently?

Seems pretty clear to me?

[h=2]Booking an Any Seat Award at qantas.com[/h]
  1. Login to Qantas.com, select your destinations and dates then select 'Search Flight'.**
  2. On the flight results page, tick the 'View in Points' checkbox in the top right of the page to choose an available Any Seat Award.
 
Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26] was 10Apri

Ok where is the choice and what is so flexible about needing to call QF to book an ASA when their was an option to book it online till recently?

I thought that you could still book any Seat Awards online....just not what Qantas describe as Marginal Any Seat Awards. (Should MASA be added to the abbreviations section?)
 
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Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26-was]10April

That's a good one, funny! But the issue was that YASA/JASA/FASA's weren't meant to be booked, it was just a failing of the old system that they couldn't fix. With the system update, it's no longer a flaw. I'm not sure why they'd want to reintroduce that back?

Has Qantas stated that previously? If they have I'll stop banging my drum.
 
Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26] was 10Apri

Seems pretty clear to me?

I thought that you could still book any Seat Awards online....just not what Qantas describe as Marginal Any Seat Awards. (Should MASA be added to the abbreviations section?)

Yes you can still book most ASA's online but not the classic awards that earn points and SC's.
 
Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26] was 10Apri

Yes you can still book most ASA's online but not the classic awards that earn points and SC's.

And what great value those ASA's are....NOT...!
 
Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26] was 10Apri

Yes you can still book most ASA's online but not the classic awards that earn points and SC's.

and if your lucky you'll get an operator who knows about it all, if not just keep calling till you get one that does, its called the great MASA lottery :mad:.
 
Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26] was 10Apri

As I posted in another thread:
Qantas decided to have the one online integrated award booking engine - with that, the choice was made to do away with that of the existing "Any Seat Award" functionality and not include it in the new engine.

They were simply going to start referring to the existing "Points Plus Pay" as "Any Seat Award" as well.

Apparently, it was only outcry (on Social Media etc.) that resulted in a decision to retain the ability to book based on the previous Any Seat Award booking engine with a call.
 
Re: [Confirmed] QF removing [cheap] ASAs [from web booking engine Jun 26] was 10Apri

Thanks for refreshing my memory. It's still a disappointing poorly considered decision.
 
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