Coronavirus (COVID-19) Respiratory illness - Effect on Travel

[dajop]

The SA couple who tested positive and apparently now we are told, developed a fever on the plane before arriving, attended an auction in Adelaide and just now the RE Agency has had to close in quarantine. Yet when the news broke of this couple the Health Dept reassured everyone that they had self isolated and would not have spread it. But when they announced that they hadn’t even interviewed them. And they wonder why we are sceptical of things they say.

Not sure what's worse, the CCP intentionally censoring information or our state governments bungling our "world class preparedness and response" to this issue.

To flip things around a bit, I am planning some travel from Singapore to Australia later this month and again at the end of March, should I looking to cancel this travel, on the basis of this information? Some times I think there are benefits of living in a benign dictatorship. (nb: rhetorical question, no plans at this stage to cancel my trips to Australia)

 

[p--and--t]

China virus deaths rise to 490 as more countries confirm local transmission

The number of people infected in China by the coronavirus outbreak jumped on Wednesday to nearly 500, after Hong Kong reported its first death from the disease and millions more in China were ordered to stay indoors. The confirmed toll in mainland China rose to 490 after hardest-hit Hubei...

sg.news.yahoo.com

 

[Lynda2475]

I’d also check with your tour that a transit through HK doesn’t exclude you as well

Nothing on company website, no emails received. Off to check that the counties involved dont have any entry restrictions from Hong Kong.

 

[kamchatsky]

This has got me quite angry, but I not surprised by it. It is just the way it works there:

Study suggesting earlier human transmission fuels public anger

Findings by Chinese researchers contradict government accounts

asia.nikkei.com

Ironically when I flew to HK on 18 Jan, the Corona news was still quite mild, and I was talking with my missus about the danger, but we were not worried about it. Then I arrived at CAN on 20 Jan and then the news about human-to-human transmission came out. Then 22 Jan news about Wuhan get locked down got out, everyone panic in China, etc.

It is stuff like this that gets me, I think a lot of people would have/will not died if the authorities acts a lot earlier.

 

[Pushka]

This has got me quite angry, but I not surprised by it. It is just the way it works there:

Study suggesting earlier human transmission fuels public anger

Findings by Chinese researchers contradict government accounts

asia.nikkei.com

Ironically when I flew to HK on 18 Jan, the Corona news was still quite mild, and I was talking with my missus about the danger, but we were not worried about it. Then I arrived at CAN on 20 Jan and then the news about human-to-human transmission came out. Then 22 Jan news about Wuhan get locked down got out, everyone panic in China, etc.

It is stuff like this that gets me, I think a lot of people would have/will not died if the authorities acts a lot earlier.

Australia is no better though.

 

[p--and--t]

This has got me quite angry, but I not surprised by it. It is just the way it works there:

Study suggesting earlier human transmission fuels public anger

Findings by Chinese researchers contradict government accounts

asia.nikkei.com

Ironically when I flew to HK on 18 Jan, the Corona news was still quite mild, and I was talking with my missus about the danger, but we were not worried about it. Then I arrived at CAN on 20 Jan and then the news about human-to-human transmission came out. Then 22 Jan news about Wuhan get locked down got out, everyone panic in China, etc.

It is stuff like this that gets me, I think a lot of people would have/will not died if the authorities acts a lot earlier.

Did you see the news report about the hospital doctor in December in Wuhan that discussed the discovery of the virus and told his colleagues (Whatapps Wechat group?) he forecast that it was another SARS, was arrested and taken away by police in December, and his colleagues threatened to keep their mouths shut.

 

[dajop]

Did you see the news report about the hospital doctor in Wuhan that discussed the discovery of the virus and told his colleagues he forecast that it was another SARS in December, was arrested and taken away by police in December, and his colleagues threatened to keep their mouths shut.

On the flipside, now that the national government is involved, one can only guess the fate of the provincial officials that originally ordered the cover up....

 

[kamchatsky]

Did you see the news report about the hospital doctor in December in Wuhan that discussed the discovery of the virus and told his colleagues (Whatapps group?) he forecast that it was another SARS, was arrested and taken away by police in December, and his colleagues threatened to keep their mouths shut.

You mean this one?

This Chinese doctor tried to save lives, but was silenced. Now he has coronavirus | CNN

On December 30, Li Wenliang dropped a bombshell in his medical school alumni group on the popular Chinese messaging app WeChat: seven patients from a local seafood market had been diagnosed with a SARS-like illness and quarantined in his hospital.

edition.cnn.com

Wuhan even had a 40000 family annual pot luck dinner banquet on 18 Jan:

As New Coronavirus Spread, China’s Old Habits Delayed Fight (Published 2020)

At critical turning points, Chinese authorities put secrecy and order ahead of openly confronting the growing crisis and risking public alarm or political embarrassment.

www.nytimes.com

武汉社区办万家宴 4万户家庭创出13986道菜(图)

武汉社区办万家宴 4万户家庭创出13986道菜(图)

news.sina.com.cn

Yes I knew about it. That why I am so angry. Lots of lives would have been saved.

 

[get me outta here]

Bit rough that some Chinese students got on a plane legitimately to fly here and by the time they landed, the ban was introduced and they were treated rather less than kindly when they arrived.

 

[kpc]

Bit rough that some Chinese students got on a plane legitimately to fly here and by the time they landed, the ban was introduced and they were treated rather less than kindly when they arrived.

I agree... this is the article.‘Racial targeting’: Chinese students slam Australia
If the Chinese students boycott Australian Unversities, a lot of Universities in Oz would have to close departments and shed many staff. if I was the Chinese Govt, i would say to the Australian govt that this was not acceptable (esp those mid air when the ban was introduced) and fix it if you want your plane to land in Wuhan....too late of course now!

 

[p--and--t]

I agree... this is the article.‘Racial targeting’: Chinese students slam Australia
If the Chinese students boycott Australian Universities, a lot of Universities in Oz would have to close departments and shed many staff. if I was the Chinese Govt, i would say to the Australian govt that this was not acceptable (esp those mid air when the ban was introduced) and fix it if you want your plane to land in Wuhan....too late of course now!

Would you have been happy enough for a plane load of people unfettered from Guinea or Liberia to arrive during the middle of the Ebola outbreak?

Racism has nothing to do with it.

The students are swallowing the CCP propaganda

 

[Must...Fly!]

I agree... this is the article.‘Racial targeting’: Chinese students slam Australia
If the Chinese students boycott Australian Unversities, a lot of Universities in Oz would have to close departments and shed many staff. if I was the Chinese Govt, i would say to the Australian govt that this was not acceptable (esp those mid air when the ban was introduced) and fix it if you want your plane to land in Wuhan....too late of course now!

Seriously?

The Chinese government has implemented travel restrictions within its own country, but we are racist for placing restrictions on travellers from there coming to Australia.

 

[p--and--t]

Seriously?

The Chinese government has implemented travel restrictions within its own country, but we are racist for placing restrictions on travellers from there coming to Australia.

Macau is doing house to house searches and deporting people from Hubei or anyone who has been to Hubei recently. Are they racist as well?

錯誤 - RTHK

錯誤 - RTHK

news.rthk.hk

 

[kpc]

I said nothing about racism...that was the news article headline which i don't agree with. But when those Chinese students (and i'm referring to this subgroup) were boarding the plane in China, they could legitimately fly to and enter Australia! So treating them the way they did on arrival was not fair....put them in isolation for 14 days like the other passengers on the plane with permanent residencey / Australian passports who could enter Australia. then enact the policy and stop them boarding the next day....also this self isolation for 14 days is not going to work; i know alot are abding by this but they still need to go out and buy food....also there are a few who are ignoring this completely!

 

[get me outta here]

The NZ Chinese residents are doing food parcels for the Chinese students (mentioned earlier). An Aussie who has lived in Shanghai for the last 17 years has said that people order groceries, they are delivered to the door and then one minute later you open the door and take the groceries in.

 

[Happy Dude]

It is oh so ironic that a China Embassy official is concerned one dot for "their rights and interests" and hopes these "will be safeguarded". The day that China is entitled to dispense human rights advice is still a little way off. I'd be angry if it wasn't so laughable.

This has nothing to do with race at all. The mere suggestion is disgusting but unfortunately that's how selfish and ignorant people operate these days. They might get taught at university, but clearly they don't learn much.

 

[Quickstatus]

I agree... this is the article.‘Racial targeting’: Chinese students slam Australia
If the Chinese students boycott Australian Unversities, a lot of Universities in Oz would have to close departments and shed many staff. if I was the Chinese Govt, i would say to the Australian govt that this was not acceptable (esp those mid air when the ban was introduced) and fix it if you want your plane to land in Wuhan....too late of course now!

Its a huge industry - almost a Ponzi scheme - need new members to support the current. And Im not sure that a lot of university degrees are worth the paper its written on, let alone suitable for industry needs.

A lot of Chinese students are being milked of their $$$. Some/many do not have a good command of the English language so it's a mystery how some complete their degrees. Now you don't need English to complete a degree but you do need it in Australia.

 

[get me outta here]

The world operates on a cycle of ‘panic and neglect’ according to the WHO.

 

[Pushka]

I agree... this is the article.‘Racial targeting’: Chinese students slam Australia
If the Chinese students boycott Australian Unversities, a lot of Universities in Oz would have to close departments and shed many staff. if I was the Chinese Govt, i would say to the Australian govt that this was not acceptable (esp those mid air when the ban was introduced) and fix it if you want your plane to land in Wuhan....too late of course now!

Except similar has happened around the world where people were in transit when a ban was announced and already in force when they arrived to a destination. An example being US citizens who posted through CX and only in transit and then were denied boarding on their cruise because of the HK transit and were flown straight back to the US by the cruiseline.

Not racist at all, just protecting their borders and product.

 

[kpc]

Except similar has happened around the world where people were in transit when a ban was announced and already in force when they arrived to a destination. An example being US citizens who posted through CX and only in transit and then were denied boarding on their cruise because of the HK transit and were flown straight back to the US by the cruiseline.

Pretty disappointing....I wouldn't be happy at all!