Cruising choices with an active Pandemic

[drron]

Yes, and the declared public health emergency currently ends 17 August.

But it can be extended and the ban doesn't expire until the emergency is declared over.No where does it say the emergency ends in August just that the current period ends in august.

 

[odysseus]

But it can be extended and the ban doesn't expire until the emergency is declared over.No where does it say the emergency ends in August just that the current period ends in august.

Yes, and it can be cancelled, amended and otherwise changed as it has been already. However, the current declared date is August 17 which indicates the current thinking, and therefore any adjustments would likely continue a month or two as they have. It is not indefinite, and the end date is declared as that - it is not going beyond what is declared, except as they amend that declaration date.

 

[drron]

Yes, and it can be cancelled, amended and otherwise changed as it has been already. However, the current declared date is August 17 which indicates the current thinking, and therefore any adjustments would likely continue a month or two as they have. It is not indefinite, and the end date is declared as that - it is not going beyond what is declared, except as they amend that declaration date.

No the current declared date is September 17th.It was extended nearly a month ago.QLD as usual hasn't updated their websites.

Update on coronavirus measures | Prime Minister of Australia

www.pm.gov.au

 

[Pushka]

No the current declared date is September 17th.It was extended nearly a month ago.QLD as usual hasn't updated their websites.

Update on coronavirus measures | Prime Minister of Australia

www.pm.gov.au

I posted in another thread that the extension to 17th September had been rather quiet. Others reminded me it was a PM announcement but clearly it wasn't highly known at all, including by the Qld Dept. I rest my case. The only reason I knew about it was that I have been waiting to file an Insurance claim for July and the insurers website had the alert to end 15 June so I was looking for any extension to that date. Once I found that PM announcement through google I posted on the Insurers FB page that their information was no longer relevant re claims post June 15. Within the day it had been corrected, but that was already a couple of weeks after the PMs update.

 

[odysseus]

No the current declared date is September 17th.It was extended nearly a month ago.QLD as usual hasn't updated their websites.

Update on coronavirus measures | Prime Minister of Australia

www.pm.gov.au

The QLD website is about QLD legislation, so is correct. 17 Aug currently applies there.

Australia has its own legislation, and it equally isn't going to update its pages for each state legislation. You need to refer to both.

 

[drron]

But please the QLD legislation is to end when the pandemic ends.QLD legislation doesn't cover that the Commonwealth Biosecurity legislation does and the biosecurity emergency has been extended to September 17th.Do you really think the QLD Government is going to allow cruise ships back before the Commonwealth does.

 

[Anna]

So Traveller is full of nonsense but it gets a wide readership. One bit of recurrent nonsense at the moment is Traveller saying that post pandemic, cruise ships will have to abolish inside cabins and buffets.

I just can't see either of those things happening. What do other people think?

 

[Pushka]

So Traveller is full of nonsense but it gets a wide readership. One bit of recurrent nonsense at the moment is Traveller saying that post pandemic, cruise ships will have to abolish inside cabins and buffets.

I just can't see either of those things happening. What do other people think?

I think buffets will operate as usual but people will select and be served by someone. That's what was done when we were on a Celebrity cruise under Noro alert from the day of embarkation. Its a Royal pain when petals want to choose the exact piece of fruit they want. But thinking of others personal hygiene, or lack of it, I'm fine with it these days.

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The QLD website is about QLD legislation, so is correct. 17 Aug currently applies there.

Australia has its own legislation, and it equally isn't going to update its pages for each state legislation. You need to refer to both.

I'd expect a state website to reflect National law when it comes to international situations.

 

[drron]

Silversea already had their buffets behind Perspex screens and there were staff to serve you though you could still serve yourself.Though mostly dessert options were in the open.
They also don't have inside cabins.The cheapest cabins though only have portholes which don't open.Next up cabins with non opening windows.

 

[Pushka]

Silversea already had their buffets behind Perspex screens and there were staff to serve you though you could still serve yourself.Though mostly dessert options were in the open.
They also don't have inside cabins.The cheapest cabins though only have portholes which don't open.Next up cabins with non opening windows.

Viking also have no interior cabins. I'd go stir crazy in one anyway. I have to see the sky!

 

[mrs.dr.ron]

Viking also have no interior cabins. I'd go stir crazy in one anyway. I have to see the sky!

We have to have a balcony - I need to get into the open air - even a "french" balcony counts ! I cant do just a cabin - too claustrophobic for me I like a bit of a breeze !

 

[odysseus]

But please the QLD legislation is to end when the pandemic ends.QLD legislation doesn't cover that the Commonwealth Biosecurity legislation does and the biosecurity emergency has been extended to September 17th.Do you really think the QLD Government is going to allow cruise ships back before the Commonwealth does.

It's not about what I think, just what they say.

My thoughts were as previous that they will continue to amend, update, cancel and otherwise modify as they have so far in line with their beliefs on the matter. Priorities have changed to an economic one from a health one, and beyond that there was never a true objective in any case, unlike NZ which set out to eradicate; restrictions were brought in here just to reduce transmission so hospitals coped, but with no specific target/objective beyond that. And hence the restrictions have been highly flexible.

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I'd expect a state website to reflect National law when it comes to international situations.

Then there wouldn't be any point of having state regulations.

Your expectations aren't in line with general practice. As, amongst other things, it would mean having to update their own legislation every time another party changed theirs.

 

[odysseus]

So Traveller is full of nonsense but it gets a wide readership. One bit of recurrent nonsense at the moment is Traveller saying that post pandemic, cruise ships will have to abolish inside cabins and buffets.

I just can't see either of those things happening. What do other people think?

That was logic that was thrown out from the cruise lines themselves. Some have walked it back somewhat, just as governments and companies have changed their policies regularly, but it has been considered in the industry as a possible future.

 

[Pushka]

It's not about what I think, just what they say.

My thoughts were as previous that they will continue to amend, update, cancel and otherwise modify as they have so far in line with their beliefs on the matter. Priorities have changed to an economic one from a health one, and beyond that there was never a true objective in any case, unlike NZ which set out to eradicate; restrictions were brought in here just to reduce transmission so hospitals coped, but with no specific target/objective beyond that. And hence the restrictions have been highly flexible.

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Then there wouldn't be any point of having state regulations.

Your expectations aren't in line with general practice. As, amongst other things, it would mean having to update their own legislation every time another party changed theirs.

I’d agree accept for international jurisdiction matters.

 

[Anna]

The reason why both federal and state rules about cruise ships are relevant is because (broad brush, do not shoot me if you are an expert maritime lawyer) the Comonwealth has responsibility for Australia's maritime zones including the territorial sea zone which is the last 12 nautical miles closest to the coast. Then the 'offshore constitutional settlement' kicks in. So a cruise line would need both federal and state permission if it wanted to come from the international 'high seas' across Australia's 'exclusive economic zone' and the territorial sea zone into an Australian port.

See Law of the sea and maritime law

 

[Pushka]

The reason why both federal and state rules about cruise ships are relevant is because (broad brush, do not shoot me if you are an expert maritime lawyer) the Comonwealth has responsibility for Australia's maritime zones including the territorial sea zone which is the last 12 nautical miles closest to the coast. Then the 'offshore constitutional settlement' kicks in. So a cruise line would need both federal and state permission if it wanted to come from the international 'high seas' across Australia's 'exclusive economic zone' and the territorial sea zone into an Australian port.

See Law of the sea and maritime law

So in effect the Australian law allows ships into Australia's zones and then it is up to the individual states as to whether a ship can berth there. Without the first (Australian) agreement then the second one is moot? I wonder if some Australia states/ports might refuse cruise ships once the Commonwealth allows entry.

 

[Gremlin]

So in effect the Australian law allows ships into Australia's zones and then it is up to the individual states as to whether a ship can berth there. Without the first (Australian) agreement then the second one is moot? I wonder if some Australia states/ports might refuse cruise ships once the Commonwealth allows entry.

I might not have it right, but didn't WA turn away ships that were authorised entry to Australian waters in April?

 

[Pushka]

I might not have it right, but didn't WA turn away ships that were authorised entry to Australian waters in April?

I think they tried but couldn’t refuse because of Covid onboard and the need to treat people.

 

[drron]

The WA,NSW and Commonwealth governments have all ordered ships to leave port or their waters but there are practical problems.

They've been told to leave our waters immediately, but here's why cruise ships won't be departing any time soon

Cruise ships defying orders to leave Australian waters are breaking the law, but there's little authorities can do to make them go — here's why.

www.abc.net.au

 

[tgh]

As expected , Ponant are first cab off the rank for au cruise procedures.
IMO ,it's a somewhat flashy motherhood document but does show us how the cruise industry will tackle the issues.

I am not at all sure I want to cruise in a face mask, and feel vindicated in my choice to cancel.
It appears that there will be so many procedures and processes that the end will not justify the hassle

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