Cruising choices with an active Pandemic

[Pushka]

Well you certainly can't discourage some americans from cruising.here is a woman who got covid on a cruise but she still wants to get back on a cruise ship.

Cruise fans explain why they can't wait to cruise again

Christine Beehler was on a two-week cruise voyage around South America when Covid-19 caught up with her ship.

edition.cnn.com

And I wonder how RCI's idea of an E-muster will go.

Royal Caribbean just figured out how to improve the worst part of cruising - The Points Guy

The parent company of Royal Caribbean, Celebrity Cruises, Silversea and Azamara said it had developed new technology, which it is calling eMuster.

thepointsguy.com

Well, likely she wont get it again so why not?

 

[p--and--t]

Well, likely she wont get it again so why not?

Why won't she get it again? Many patients do not develop longer term immunity to Covid and there were a couple of reports a short while back of people suspected to already having it a second time. The vaccines one of the labs has developed only showed good effectiveness for 28 days in some patients.

 

[Pushka]

Why won't she get it again? Many patients do not develop longer term immunity to Covid and there were a couple of reports a short while back of people suspected to already having it a second time. The vaccines one of the labs has developed only showed good effectiveness for 28 days in some patients.

Until the repeat case of covid occurs generally and scientifically established and not just a couple of reports, only then it will be a known issue. Perhaps they didnt recover from the first bout and i have likewise heard of people feeling better for a couple of days/weeks then feeling poorly again for a while. That doesnt mean they have caught it again but not recovered from the first time. The vaccine conferring immunity is also likely to be completely different from having had full blown covid.

 

[odysseus]

Until the repeat case of covid occurs generally and scientifically established and not just a couple of reports, only then it will be a known issue. Perhaps they didnt recover from the first bout and i have likewise heard of people feeling better for a couple of days/weeks then feeling poorly again for a while. That doesnt mean they have caught it again but not recovered from the first time. The vaccine conferring immunity is also likely to be completely different from having had full blown covid.

Just as much the opposite. It can't be assumed that immunity is permanent. Until it is scientifically established that either a vaccine or an existing case prevents recurrence, it continues to be possible that it can recur.

 

[p--and--t]

Just as much the opposite. It can't be assumed that immunity is permanent. Until it is scientifically established that either a vaccine or an existing case prevents recurrence, it continues to be possible that it can recur.

Flus reoccur and evolve, colds reoccur. Nothing to say so far conclusively either way for Covid-19, but I wouldn't be laying any bets that it doesn't reoccur.

 

[tgh]

It would be funny if it was not so sad…from Cruise Law News

Finally the Truth, Mein Schiff 1 Crew Members Test Positive for COVID-19

Finally the Truth, Mein Schiff 1 Crew Members Test Positive for COVID-19

Today, TUI Cruises, which operates the Mein Schiff fleet of cruise ships, announced that five crew members hired to work aboard the Mein Schiff 1 (photo

www.cruiselawnews.com

and there is some Deck Chair activity...

Carnival believed to be eyeing sale of Cunard and Seabourn brands, cruise insiders say

Carnival believed to be eyeing sale of Cunard and Seabourn brands, cruise insiders say

Carnival has denied talk of a sale, which sources say is being prompted by ageing customer demographics and a need to generate higher returns

www.tradewindsnews.com

 

[drron]

Taiwan is restarting cruising today but only for locals and visiting Taiwan's smaller islands.

Set sail and social distance: Taiwan resumes ocean cruise amid pandemic - News - The Jakarta Post

Taiwan resumed an island-hopping ocean cruise on Sunday, joining a handful of places in the world to restart voyages after the coronavirus pandemic brought the industry to a virtual standstill.

www.thejakartapost.com

And Greece is opening 6 ports to cruising today.

LINE TODAY

 

[tgh]

Shooting themselves in the foot.. what a debacle.

COVID-19 Crew Member Infections Confirmed on Hurtigruten Cruise Ship

Crew members who are employed aboard a Hurtigruten ship tested positive today for COVID-19, according to several newspapers in Norway. Nordlys reports that the crew members work on the Hurtigruten expedition cruise ship, the MS Roald Amundsen, which reportedly recently sailed to Svalbard with around 200 passengers. The Hurtigruten ship is currently located at the dock in Tromsø, Norway after arriving in port this morning. It permiited all of its passengers to do ashore, apparently without notifying anyone that its crew members were infected with COVID-19

COVID-19 Crew Member Infections Confirmed on Hurtigruten Cruise Ship

Crew members who are employed aboard a Hurtigruten ship tested positive today for COVID-19, according to several newspapers in Norway. Nordlys reports

www.cruiselawnews.com

 

[drron]

And Norwegian cruise line going the other way.cancelling cruises now until november.

https://www.miamiherald.com/article244569397.html

 

[tgh]

Reads like a monumental stuff up with Biblical repercussions for the industry

All 160 crew members on the Roald Amundsen have been quarantined on the ship, while the 177 passengers - all of whom have already disembarked - are being contacted by telephone and are being told to self-isolate, operator Hurtigruten said.

Just imagine trying to find them all…in Melbourne or Sydney or anywhere.

Four crew members on Norway cruise ship hospitalised with COVID-19

Four crew members on a Norwegian cruise vessel were diagnosed with COVID-19 after it arrived at the Arctic port of Tromsoe early on Friday, said the University Hospital of North Norway where they are being treated.

www.reuters.com

 

[tgh]

Hurtigruten Tromsoe update

They may yet escape lightly , time will tell

At least 40 infected with COVID-19 on Norway cruises amid scramble to trace passengers

At least 40 infected with COVID-19 on Norway cruises amid scramble to trace passengers

At least 40 passengers and crew from a luxury cruise liner have tested positive for COVID-19 and the authorities are still trying to trace a number of passengers from two recent Arctic voyages, public health officials in Norway said on Sunday.

www.reuters.com

 

[tgh]

But wait dear reader there is more foot shooting happening…. Carnival and RCI will be so pleased…...

 

[SydneySwan]

But wait dear reader there is more foot shooting happening…. Carnival and RCI will be so pleased…...

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Quite unbelievable. I would have expected a higher degree of competence from a Norwegian company. Perhaps they hired the same mob that managed the quarantine hotels in Melbourne.

 

[tgh]

More foot shooting.. there is a very loud message here

COVID-19 case on Paul Gauguin in French Polynesia

COVID-19 case on Paul Gauguin in French Polynesia

Passengers aboard Paul Gauguin have been told to say in their cabins after a case of COVID-19 was detected Saturday evening by the ship's doctor.

www.seatrade-cruise.com

 

[drron]

And Silversea not thinking sending out an email today about Australian cruises beginning in October.And in December cruises from Bali to Australia.
About time they were cancelled.

Australia & New Zealand Luxury Cruises

Amaze yourself with Australia and New Zealand cruise and explore the lands of superlatives with all-inclusive Silversea cruise packages.

www.silversea.com

 

[zig]

And Silversea not thinking sending out an email today about Australian cruises beginning in October.And in December cruises from Bali to Australia.
About time they were cancelled.

Australia & New Zealand Luxury Cruises

Amaze yourself with Australia and New Zealand cruise and explore the lands of superlatives with all-inclusive Silversea cruise packages.

www.silversea.com

I understand they are balancing cash flow and are cancelling in batches, but they shouldn’t be actively promoting these cruises for new bookings.

 

[tgh]

they shouldn’t be actively promoting these cruises for new bookings.

It's all about a life or death struggle for corporate survival , morality and ethics don't get a vote.
There are an awful lot of very foolish people happy to give the cruise lines money .
Most regular cruisers have woken up and chased refunds, but there are suckers out there to be fleeced….

I posted this a page or two back ...

Carnival Corporation at the last earning call stated that it was holding $2,900,000,000 (billion) in refunds owed to customers, which it views as liquidity. What a business model! Using other people's money to try and stay afloat . .

 

[p--and--t]

I understand they are balancing cash flow and are cancelling in batches, but they shouldn’t be actively promoting these cruises for new bookings.

Sounds like a Ponzi scheme to me. Pyramid selling even.

Bank balance low, so sell some more cruises so you can give much delayed refunds to previous purchasers who you let down and made false promises to.

Hopefully some analysts will do the sums and publicise when the current outstandings are greater than inflow and bank balance to expose what is happening.

 

[tgh]

This goes on and on.. but can be summarised as.
We stuffed up, covered up, got caught and now we are very sorry

Hurtigruten caught in Corona cover-up - Norway's News in English — www.newsinenglish.no

UPDATED: The humbled boss of Norway’s Hurtigruten cruise and shipping line has admitted to a breakdown in its own routines regarding Corona virus rules for its newly re-launched cruises. That’s led to the suspension of all of Hurtigruten’s so-called “expedition” cruises, after an outbreak of the...

www.newsinenglish.no

 

[lovetravellingoz]

And Silversea not thinking sending out an email today about Australian cruises beginning in October.And in December cruises from Bali to Australia.
About time they were cancelled.

Australia & New Zealand Luxury Cruises

Amaze yourself with Australia and New Zealand cruise and explore the lands of superlatives with all-inclusive Silversea cruise packages.

www.silversea.com

Yes I got the same email and I most surprised about their cruise dates and Australian and NZ ports of call from October on.