Do people REALLY want to save Qantas or is it just talk?

[smit0847]

AJ never worked at Ryanair. He worked at Aer Lingus before joining Ansett.

I've heard lots of commentary about how AJ wants to Jetstarise as much of Qantas as possible because of his Ryanair LCC experience and passion. Seems like a lot of ppl have the wrong end of the stick.

So JQ was the first LCC he has worked for?

 

[Maca44]

Do people REALLY want to save Qantas or is it just talk?

My view is yes, and it's not because I am patriotic or anything like that.

I want to save QF because it creates competition between the other carriers into/out of Australia, and I am only referring to international flights which I do more of. I travel J class and often F when I fly international. I am Life Member of the QP, but over the past 5 or 6 years I have been flying other carriers mainly because of the cost involved and for those who have flown J in VA you would understand the service on offer from other carriers seems to outweigh that of QF. If QF was to go belly up then other carriers to Europe and the USA would increase the cost of their flights due to lack of competition. I also see Qantas maintenance going offshore in the future, even if for long haul international aircraft only, and this is due to the cost involved and if it doesn't go offshore I think there will be one less player in the market.

 

[serfty]

At Aer Lingus, Joyce held a wide spectrum of positions in Sales, Marketing, Information Technology, Network Planning, Operations Research, Revenue Management and Fleet Planning.

Joyce worked there for eight years from 1988 until 1996 when he joined Ansett to head the Network Planning, Schedules Planning and Network Strategy functions.

Joyce left Ansett in 2000 to join Qantas where he performed the same role as he had at Ansett.

Joyce was appointed CEO of Qantas subsidiary Jetstar Airways in October 2003 before succeeding Geoff Dixon as CEO of Qantas in November 2008.

Here's that article from Sunday: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/how-high-can-alan-joyce-go/story-fn7x8me2-1226186665598

 

[Pushka]

SO not only are your facts about AJ wrong but so are facts about Ryan Air. They have never charged for use of the loos. They suggested the idea of it but never went ahead.

You just love calling me out, dontcha! Just because of the iphone thread. I think your response is rather abrupt. (putting it nicely)

Yes, the pound a pee never went ahead but only because it was against occ Health and Safety issues. That was not the point. They wanted to do it but were not allowed to.

My take is that the Qantas that will be 'saved" will be a totally different beast to what we have known as the iconic Qantas. We were discussing Joyce's previous employers at work yesterday and someone said he had come from Ryan Air in the UK. And Ryan Air were the ones who tried charging a pound for every pee in the loo.

And this is what I actually said in bold. So not my facts peoples.....sheesh.

 

[nlagalle]

Yes, the pound a pee never went ahead but only because it was against occ Health and Safety issues. That was not the point. They wanted to do it but were not allowed to.

They were never going to introduce it - it, along with most other Ryanair brainwaves are simply marketing ploys.. they also have the barstool type seats, remove all toilets etc.. the list goes on!

 

[Pushka]

They were never going to introduce it - it, along with most other Ryanair brainwaves are simply marketing ploys.. they also have the barstool type seats, remove all toilets etc.. the list goes on!

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Google suggests otherwise:
Ryanair Considers Charging Passengers To Use the Bathroom[/h]Posted by: Kerry Capell on February 27, 2009
Just when you thought Ryanair CEO Michael O’Leary’s money-making schemes couldn’t get any wackier (or more irritating).
On Feb. 27, O’Leary told the BBC that Ryanair was considering charging passengers to use the toilet in flight. O’Leary says the airline has looked at the idea before and is investigating it once again. “We’re thinking of putting a coin slot on the toilet so people may have to spend a pound to spend a penny,” O’Leary told the BBC Breakfast show.

 

[medhead]

[h=1]
Google suggests otherwise:
Ryanair Considers Charging Passengers To Use the Bathroom[/h]Posted by: Kerry Capell on February 27, 2009
Just when you thought Ryanair CEO Michael O’Leary’s money-making schemes couldn’t get any wackier (or more irritating).
On Feb. 27, O’Leary told the BBC that Ryanair was considering charging passengers to use the toilet in flight. O’Leary says the airline has looked at the idea before and is investigating it once again. “We’re thinking of putting a coin slot on the toilet so people may have to spend a pound to spend a penny,” O’Leary told the BBC Breakfast show.

Yes, they thought about it but they were never seriously going to do it. It was a marketing ploy to get buzz around the brand, such as what you found with google.


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[nlagalle]

Google suggests otherwise:
Ryanair Considers Charging Passengers To Use the Bathroom

Posted by: Kerry Capell on February 27, 2009
Just when you thought Ryanair CEO Michael O’Leary’s money-making schemes couldn’t get any wackier (or more irritating).
On Feb. 27, O’Leary told the BBC that Ryanair was considering charging passengers to use the toilet in flight. O’Leary says the airline has looked at the idea before and is investigating it once again. “We’re thinking of putting a coin slot on the toilet so people may have to spend a pound to spend a penny,” O’Leary told the BBC Breakfast show.

I'll repeat what i just said - it was a marketing ploy!! go look up some of their other "ideas". it grabs attention for the airline for free!

 

[Pushka]

Yes, they thought about it but they were never seriously going to do it. It was a marketing ploy to get buzz around the brand.


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How does anyone know serious intent unless they were on the Board? If the suggestion got the thumbs down from everyone and the publicity started showing up in lost revenue then it is easy to claim it was just a PR stunt.

I'll repeat what i just said - it was a marketing ploy!! go look up some of their other "ideas". it grabs attention for the airline for free!

Repeating it doesn't make it any more valid. Throw out an idea and see if it works. If it tanks, drop it and say it was PR; if it works, use it.

 

[The Rok]

This whole discussion begs another question. Alan Joyce basically set up Jetstar. And regardless of our feelings of either Jetstar or Alan Joyce, it cannot be argued that Jetstar is a successful company. How many airlines set up in the past 10 years have actually been successful? Only a handful.
So if Joyce was successful at Jetstar, why can he not be successful at Qantas? The original question was do we really want to save Qantas, and I believe we do, just not in its current form.
The sums are undeniable. In its current format QF cannot afford to pay the huge salaries and benefits it currently does as a legacy carrier. It’s costs, be it staff, the fleet, maintenance or other costs are just ,much higher than other main stream carriers abroad, so it cannot compete.
Why is it that we cannot accept this? Why can the unions not accept this? In the last 5 years everybody in this country bar a select handful have had to make sacrifices. More hours for less pay, lower hourly rates, a reduction in benefits (not talking about QFF). We all had to make changes to suit the adapting economic climate. Is it not about time Qantas staff did the same thing?
What is to stop QF establishing its international OPS as semi LCC international? Not quite LCC but a far cry from its current format. If people are so price sensitive then surely there is a market for it.
For those that don’t agree there will always be Emirates, Singapore, Etihad and a whole host of other carriers flying to Australia.
Surely the result of this would be a win for all? QF would be profitable and remain in Australia. The 35,000 staff would remain in employment…..

 

[medhead]

How does anyone know serious intent unless they were on the Board?

Simply because it was clearly a #%^*#%^ stupid idea. No need to be on the board to realise that. Just need to know that there are people like me who will urinate on the floor, or into a bottle, if needs be.


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[nlagalle]

How does anyone know serious intent unless they were on the Board? If the suggestion got the thumbs down from everyone and the publicity started showing up in lost revenue then it is easy to claim it was just a PR stunt.


Repeating it doesn't make it any more valid. Throw out an idea and see if it works. If it tanks, drop it and say it was PR; if it works, use it.

It's simple, Ryanair have a long history of announcing way out there ideas to attract publicity! It's a proven track record which you can't seem to understand! They know form the outset it can't be done (again look up the barstool style seating they wanted to bring out) so they announce it to generate interest around the brand. they work on any publicity is good publicity.

 

[Pushka]

Simply because it was clearly a #%^*#%^ stupid idea. No need to be on the board to realise that. Just need to know that there are people like me who will urinate on the floor, or into a bottle, if needs be.

That happens anyway it seems.

It is too easy to dismiss an idea as a #%^*#%^ stupid idea if it falls foul. Doesn't mean to say it was never going to happen. Lots of their ideas do get up - like charging for checking in - an essential part of flying. So who is to say they weren't going to try to charge for the loos.

 

[TonyHancock]

Trips to the moon, on board coughography, F seating (where one of the benefits was a"guaranteed" seat ) and childless flights. All of these have been part of the Ryanair publicity campaign. Anything to get air time. They get a double whammy with the publicity, lots of coverage at the start then coverage for the denial.

 

[Pushka]

Trips to the moon, ........ childless flights. .

You mean like the Virgin flight to the moon? And childless flights sound like an excellent idea.

 

[TonyHancock]

You mean like the Virgin flight to the moon? And childless flights sound like an excellent idea.

No I mean April 1 press releases!

 

[straitman]

I think the topic WAS [FONT=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]Do people REALLY want to save Qantas or is it just talk?[/FONT]

Well now you are not even talking about it :!:

 

[QF WP]

Given that Tony Abbott was invited to attend the International Democratic Union Party Leaders meeting, could it be as simple as the best deal they (the IDU) got for all the attendees was from (perhaps) another airline and he has no choice?? After all, their web site page for the meeting mentions a block reservation at the conference hotel, so it makes sense that they had a conference "airline".

 

[medhead]

I think the topic WAS [FONT=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]Do people REALLY want to save Qantas or is it just talk?[/FONT]

Well now you are not even talking about it :!:

Well on that topic. I don't believe qantas needs saving in the first place.


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[casanovawa]

That sounds far too sensible Lindsay...