Due to fly Melbourne to Perth June 12th. Chances of flying?

[RichardMEL]

It's not a little less, it's much less.

Less likely to catch it in the first place, less likely to pass it on, and if there's a good percentage of others vaccinated, less likely for someone else to catch it if you are passing it on.

That's a triple reduction - we're at around 20% now but I'd say we'd have to be up around 50% at least before they start thinking of this.

This is all getting a bit OT but I'll disagree with you just a little bit.

When you say you're less likely to "catch it" in the first place. Well depends what one means by "catch it" - your exposure risk is exactly the same - vaccinated or not - but it's how your body reacts to the virus. In theory, fully vaccinated people will have antibodies fighting the virus once exposed. Therefore one may or may not show symptoms still (which is the only realistic way one may determine if they have "caught it" outside of a test of course) and yes, with antibodies fighting the virus it should be killed off far far quicker than if the body was first exposed to the virus (ie: unvaccinated). And thus with the shorter lifespan of the virus within the body once exposed, it will be shed much less - meaning that a vaccinated person who has produced antibodies will yes, be far less of a risk to spread because the virus will be alive within them for far less time.

and yes, I do absolutely agree you're describing herd immunity in terms of the percentage of the population who are vaccinated are in a group together if the virus is introduced somehow while it may still spread around that group - the chain should end there as it will get quickly killed off within that group and can't spread further.

As you say, right now the % of the general population who are fully vaccinated (ie the recommended two jabs) is far too low (I think the fully vax number is under 10% at this point, far more have the first shot of course - we're only now starting on the second AZ jabs for those that started to be vaccinated late in March) and with limited supplies of Pfizer and Moderna coming much later in the year it's still going to be some time off before a mrjority of the populaion CAN be vaccinated to a point where we can be discussing herd immunity - ignoring the vax hesitancy issues which are a real factor of course - I think these things are all part of the fed gov's pushing back international border openings till mid next year.

Anyway my point was more that a vaccinated person can still "catch it" (ie: be exposed) as much as unvax. It's about the body's response in fighting it off that affects the virus shedding(ie: spreading it) and how unwell someone may be from it. The only way to lower the exposure risk, as you say, is to get that herd immunity going.

my 14 cents worth

 

[justinbrett]

This is all getting a bit OT but I'll disagree with you just a little bit.

When you say you're less likely to "catch it" in the first place. Well depends what one means by "catch it" - your exposure risk is exactly the same - vaccinated or not - but it's how your body reacts to the virus. In theory, fully vaccinated people will have antibodies fighting the virus once exposed. Therefore one may or may not show symptoms still (which is the only realistic way one may determine if they have "caught it" outside of a test of course) and yes, with antibodies fighting the virus it should be killed off far far quicker than if the body was first exposed to the virus (ie: unvaccinated). And thus with the shorter lifespan of the virus within the body once exposed, it will be shed much less - meaning that a vaccinated person who has produced antibodies will yes, be far less of a risk to spread because the virus will be alive within them for far less time.

and yes, I do absolutely agree you're describing herd immunity in terms of the percentage of the population who are vaccinated are in a group together if the virus is introduced somehow while it may still spread around that group - the chain should end there as it will get quickly killed off within that group and can't spread further.

As you say, right now the % of the general population who are fully vaccinated (ie the recommended two jabs) is far too low (I think the fully vax number is under 10% at this point, far more have the first shot of course - we're only now starting on the second AZ jabs for those that started to be vaccinated late in March) and with limited supplies of Pfizer and Moderna coming much later in the year it's still going to be some time off before a mrjority of the populaion CAN be vaccinated to a point where we can be discussing herd immunity - ignoring the vax hesitancy issues which are a real factor of course - I think these things are all part of the fed gov's pushing back international border openings till mid next year.

Anyway my point was more that a vaccinated person can still "catch it" (ie: be exposed) as much as unvax. It's about the body's response in fighting it off that affects the virus shedding(ie: spreading it) and how unwell someone may be from it. The only way to lower the exposure risk, as you say, is to get that herd immunity going.

my 14 cents worth

So in my mind exposure is the spark and “catching it” is the flame.

If you get some of the virus matter in your system and your body fights it before it it’s detectable you’re not going to have the quantities to pass it on (and unlikely to be coughing or sneezing which makes it much easier to pass along) - I wouldn’t call that catching it.

However if you get enough of the material and your body isn’t strong enough to kill it straight away, the virus establishes itself in you and reproduces so that you’ll test positive and can pass it on to some extent, albeit you would have a much lower load as your body is still fighting it, but it’s definitely there.

 

[RichardMEL]

Think we're in furious agreement as I noted just a matter of how one defines "catching it"

 

[oz_mark]

Given todays numbers, June 12 looks completely out of the picture now

 

[gidxg03]

Agreed. No way we will be out of lockdown on Thursday. 11 cases and spread into aged care is not good.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Interesting... so our QF flight to QLD is not showing on the QF booking page anymore, only the two JQ flights are there. All the QF flights are now via SYD.

However... in 'manage booking' the flight is still there with an option to 'cancel' or 'change' by the passenger.

I wonder if this is a strategy by the airline to force a 'voluntary' cancellation by pax and credit only?

 

[justinbrett]

Interesting... so our QF flight to QLD is not showing on the QF booking page anymore, only the two JQ flights are there. All the QF flights are now via SYD.

However... in 'manage booking' the flight is still there with an option to 'cancel' or 'change' by the passenger.

I wonder if this is a strategy by the airline to force a 'voluntary' cancellation by pax and credit only?

If the flight is removed from sale (expertflyer would show zero for each fare class), that’s the precursor to the flight being cancelled.

They will cancel if at some point - I think they do it gradually so they don’t have to rebook thousands of people at once.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

If the flight is removed from sale (expertflyer would show zero for each fare class), that’s the precursor to the flight being cancelled.

They will cancel if at some point - I think they do it gradually so they don’t have to rebook thousands of people at once.

Fair enough, but the option to cancel for a full refund should be made available! People going to their booking this morning may be tempted to rebook (for a higher price) or taking a credit voucher

 

[justinbrett]

Fair enough, but the option to cancel for a full refund should be made available! People going to their booking this morning may be tempted to rebook (for a higher price) or taking a credit voucher

But it’s not cancelled yet. Technically the flight is still operating, they just don’t want to take any new bookings for it.

Most people wouldn’t be checking this and they don’t want to overload their call centre.

 

[Mrsfefe]

Yes.... and?

And you could pass the virus onto someone one who hasn’t yet had a chance to be vaccinated and they could die.

 

[benjy]

Jetstar now giving me the option to cancel my flights and receive flight credit for my flights this weekend.

It's highly likely the lockdown will be extended, will be surprised if it isn't, and I highly doubt QLD will lift their restrictions by the weekend

Hopefully be able to travel by the end of the month

 

[aikman]

Jetstar now giving me the option to cancel my flights and receive flight credit for my flights this weekend.

It's highly likely the lockdown will be extended, will be surprised if it isn't, and I highly doubt QLD will lift their restrictions by the weekend

Hopefully be able to travel by the end of the month

The Jetstar website mentions an option to delay your travel by 14 days through live chat, presumably without paying a fare difference. Could be an option if you wanted to keep your original fare.

 

[justinbrett]

Just remember if JQ cancel your flight you can get a full refund.

 

[jakeseven7]

And you could pass the virus onto someone one who hasn’t yet had a chance to be vaccinated and they could die.

Per all the posts above, they are only going to do this when the most vulnerable have had the chance to be vaccinated. That’s their plan anyway.

 

[AIRwin]

Just remember if JQ cancel your flight you can get a full refund.

Yes I waited until the day before departure when JQ cancelled my OOL-MEL flight over the weekend even though the option was already there for me to opt for a flight credit...

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Just remember if JQ cancel your flight you can get a full refund.

I know Qantas provides a full refund, but JQ's policy seems a little blurred? They say they will only convert to a credit voucher - unless the flight is cancelled by JQ for non covid related reasons (or at least that's my reading).

 

[justinbrett]

I know Qantas provides a full refund, but JQ's policy seems a little blurred? They say they will only convert to a credit voucher - unless the flight is cancelled by JQ for non covid related reasons (or at least that's my reading).

It’s pretty clear, if the flight is cancelled within their control, you get a refund. Cancelling the flight due covid is within their control - they can still choose to fly it for the small number of essential travellers.

 

[clifford]

I have a ticket to fly CBR-MEL-OOL in a couple of weeks, spending 90 mins at MEL airport.

I assume that unless QLD change their current view of Vic, I wouldn't be admitted, so will need to cancel the booking?

 

[justinbrett]

I have a ticket to fly CBR-MEL-OOL in a couple of weeks, spending 90 mins at MEL airport.

I assume that unless QLD change their current view of Vic, I wouldn't be admitted, so will need to cancel the booking?

No. Current policy allows transit at Melbourne airport. Just don’t leave the airport.

• were in a COVID-19 hotspot for the sole purpose of transiting through an airport and didn’t leave the airport

 

[clifford]

No. Current policy allows transit at Melbourne airport. Just don’t leave the airport.

• were in a COVID-19 hotspot for the sole purpose of transiting through an airport and didn’t leave the airport

Thanks. I've just done this with SA, but I didn't realise that I could do it with QLD. Still a bit wary though.

We'll see how it pans out... Love QLD, but not enough to spend 14 days there in "prison".