Dumped Tiger Pax rant goes viral

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We need some of those of laws which protect passengers in the US and Europe.

I didn't read his full rant but I am emphatic to the guy considering, I have had a run in or two with LCC.

Having said that, I prepare myself the best I can to minimise fees occurred when flying LCC. Hell if I need 15kg for my suitcase, I will the 20kg limit just in case.
 
My two cents worth:

My name is Nathaniel Martin, i am a uni student originally from Hobart now studying at Deakin in Melbourne. I came home for Easter Break. As can clearly be seen, this photo shows i booked a flight from Hobart to Melbourne for Sunday April 7th at 8.05pm. As this also shows the booking date was Monday March 18th. 20 days before the flight. It cost me $78.45. I arrived at Hobart Airport at approximately 7pm, still comfortably 20 minutes before the check in closed for my flight.

That depends on how long you are in the queue for waiting to be checked in.

A approached the gate to purchase extra baggage (had a bit more to take back) i was informed that 1 piece of 17.3kg baggage would cost me $120. Was my fault as i purchased the fee without baggage, but the corresponding price with virgin is $40 so you can make your own mind up about that value. I then received my boarding pass and proceeded to gate 2.

So he had to go to the counter to pay for his excess baggage first prior to being checked in. All this takes time so you'd have to think that by the time he was physically checked in which wasn't until he'd paid for his excess, that this would have been very close to the checkin cut off time of 45 minutes prior to departure.

I don't get the $120.00 charge for TT baggage paying at the airport. Their website states that you can only upsize your luggage at the airport to 15kg worth - it doesn't state what extra charges apply in excess of 15kg.

TT do allow you to add baggage after you have made your booking even if you originally booked with no luggage & charges range from $15.00 for 15kg up to $60.00 for 40kg.

This has to be done at least 72 hours prior to departure which would have been a better option for the OP as I'm sure he would've had an idea then that he would have more than just carry on luggage.

I went to board the plane and was informed that you had oversold my flight (more tickets sold than seats available, which basically equates to fraud) and that i would have to be 'offloaded' and could not board the plane. The reason given was that 'i was the last to check in', even though i had booked the ticket a month in advance and was 15 minutes early to check in.

In my book "15 minutes early to checkin" is not 15 minutes prior to checkin closing. If TT checkin opens 2 hours prior to departure at 6.05pm & you arrived at the airport at 5.50 pm that would be 15 minutes early to checkin.

What I don't 'get' is that if the flight was oversold then they wouldn't have been able to give him a boarding that checkin as there would not have been any seat to allocate to him and therefore no boarding pass to issue.

I can think of a couple of reasons for an oversale but I don't know why TT didn't tell him eg "we're oversold because a seat onboard the aircraft is unserviceable and as it's a full flight there is no other seat to move you to". It may not have been his seat that was u/s but maybe the pax sitting in the u/s seat was moved to his. Generally airlines would bump the last people to checkin if they're looking to flick someone.

Sometimes A320 operators may have to cap the flight at certain amount of pax particularly on long flights eg DRW/MEL or BNE/PER which I've seen but I would think it's extremely unlikely that a short flight such as HBA/MEL would have to cap a flight even if they did take on more fuel for bad wx, holding etc.

I am fairly certain that he would have been the last person to checkin.

The federal police officer of 20 years experience helping my family said it was the 'worst case of customer service he had ever seen' and the flight attemdant told me to 'get them for every cent' but to top it all off as i was paying informed me that it should not have been me that was offloaded off the flight but the person that booked the ticket last. So it was all for nothing. After waiting an additional 35 minutes to get my bag back i finally about to get on jetstar and go to melbourne.

Not sure why AFP would be there assisting people with checkin formalities. I do know that they would be called if pax are displaying disruptive or threatening behaviour such as when they're too late to checkin or are complaining about extra charges but I would think that the airline would tell them that was the reason they're being offloaded not make up a story that they're oversold.

I think there are a few details missing here.
 
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He should've checked out this forum earlier, earned status with QF or VA, and instead of being bumped off, he would've received an op-up. :)
 
If you want full service fly with QF/VA and then expect to be looked after

People buying a product should be able to reasonably expect the delivery of that product. No point saying "you should have bought a Holden" if Kea couldn't deliver the car they sold you!
 
Alright. One of my friends pointed me out to this. Picking exactly apart my post is a bit harsh as I was unbelievable angered and flustered at the time so I will give you the exact rundown of what happened and these missing details.

Monday 18[SUP]th[/SUP] March booked my ticket.
Last night:
Got to the airport at 7pm. Tiger’s check in closed at 7.20pm. That’s an hour and 5 mins before the flight.
Paid my excess baggage fee (yes it was expensive, but it was my fault for not booking the correct fare, I just had a few more things to take back to Melbourne from Tassie that I thought) As I said my fault and I coughed up without fuss.

Not too sure if you’re familiar with Hobart airport but there’s not too many airs or graces with it. Took me even with the payment for more baggage 5 minutes to line up and check in.

I got my boarding pass, with seat 6B on it at about 7.05-7.07.

I then, and this is the thing that I should’ve put in my post that would’ve shut a lot of people up, I WAITED IN THE DEPARTURE LOUNGE FOR AT LEAST 25-30 MINUTES BEFORE BOARDING TIME WITH A BOARDING PASS. I had that time to kill! The flight didn’t board til 7.40ish and didn’t leave for another hour after check in. HOW IS THAT BEING LATE!?!?! As I said, should’ve been in the post but I was angry, emotion running extremely high and I just wanted to get my story out there to give me the best chance at getting my money back. All I ever cared about.
During this time I chatted with my family, mainly about Hawthorn’s great win.
Then at around 7.35-7.40 Tiger started boarding. I waited in line, and my family left. When got to the gate (gate 2) was informed, with my boarding pass as a legal contract of entry onto the aircraft that I couldn’t get on the aircraft due to it being oversold as I’ve already specified on facebook.
I waited absolutely fuming for about 5 minutes in which time I had phoned my parents to come back to the airport. After this time one of the ground crew (Aerocare) informed me there were 2 more flights available to Melbourne from Hobart for the night. I sprinted to virgin. No good, flight had closed. Then as I said my only hope was the $296 Jetstar flight at 9.25. I coughed up half as it was all I could. Mum and Dad helped me with the other half.
The AFP officer you mentioned was assisting me to get my missing bag back off the aircraft so I could check it in again through JQ. He made the remark after hearing about my story to my dad. After about 20mins after buying the Jetstar ticket I was able to get my bag back, check it in with JQ and sit in the departure lounge again where I wrote my post.

I am guilty of nothing but my own naivety, I didn’t even know airlines oversold flights until last night. I’m only 19 and haven’t travelled all that much in my life, the furthest I’ve been is to the Gold Coast. I followed all their rules and didn’t get what I was entitled to. I am sick and tired of defending myself to people that either cant read correctly or are just absolute keyboard warriors. Its been a ridiculously long day, all I wanted was my money back, I didn’t wake up yesterday expecting to have a 67k like post on Facebook and be $500 out of pocket by the end of the night. Nor did I want it either, I didn’t expect it to take off like it did. To go to the extent where people are checking on my photos to try and take shots at my claims about my budget because I went to a few bloody music festivals with my Girlfriend last year and call me a ‘lazy uni student’ and a drug user is disgusting. Not to mention the person that called me off a block number last night claiming to be from tiger asking for my debit card details.
To their credit Tiger refunded me fully this morning and very quickly. I deleted my post as I didn’t really want the bloody attention to start with and I ddn’t want it to go any further when they had done what I’d already asked.

This is the last thing I am saying on this whole bloody thing, I just want to concentrate on Uni and try and get a kick against Upper Ferntree Gully on Saturday. I’m happy I got what I was after but I’ve learned a hell of a lot of lessons.
 
I am SO pro-EU style regulation with compensation/customer care for affected pax. It could only have an improvement on customer satisfaction.

This young guy would've had a much different experience.
 
Why would they load baggage and then off load the pax?

And why would Tiger refund his money so quickly?

I reckon there's more to the story than is presented here.
 
Why would they load baggage and then off load the pax?

And why would Tiger refund his money so quickly?

I reckon there's more to the story than is presented here.
I was last to check in on an oversold flight, that's why I didn't get on and was offloaded. Even though like I've said 12000 <redacted> times I was there within the required check in times. I was just unlucky last I guess. You'd have to ask Tiger as to why they refunded it so quickly, but I just told you the whole story. If you don't believe me then it's your loss.
 
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I was last to check in on an oversold flight, that's why I didn't get on and was offloaded. Even though like I've said 12000 coughking times I was there within the required check in times. I was just unlucky last I guess. You'd have to ask Tiger as to why they refunded it so quickly, but I just told you the whole story. If you don't believe me then it's your loss.

And yet they gave you a boarding pass. Not accusing you of anything, but I reckon there has to be more to the story that you weren't privy to. I wonder if Tiger off loaded you to let another passenger get on? Maybe an unaccompanied child?


It looks like Tiger did something dodgy and looked for someone easy to off load. Easier to let you fend for yourself than say a 10 year old child, and then pay you off today.
 
I was last to check in on an oversold flight, that's why I didn't get on and was offloaded. Even though like I've said 12000 coughking times I was there within the required check in times. I was just unlucky last I guess. You'd have to ask Tiger as to why they refunded it so quickly, but I just told you the whole story. If you don't believe me then it's your loss.

I have no reason not to believe you. This is a forum where some will always see white as black and that reflects on then not you. As far as I can see you followed the requirements but were still offloaded because someone had to be. I don't dispute an airline's right to overbook because there is usually a number who will not show up. What I dispute is that they should then make whole those they do offload (accommodation, flight on another airline if available, compensation etc). In your case they only did after a lot of protest. All strength to you and I hope others do it when it happens to then.
 
Nat, I don't think he was having a go at you, but more more curious (as I am) as to why Tiger were able to give you a boarding pass for 6B at checkin when they mustn't have been oversold, then once they've started boarding the flight suddenly they're overbooked.

This is more a question I guess only Tiger/Aerocare can answer however we're all curious because if this kind of situation happened to you it could happen to any of us.

I wonder who suddenly ended up in your seat 6B then?

Oversales can happen for a number of reasons some of which are:

a) downgrade of aircraft type eg 767 to 737 (however not applicable to Tiger who only fly A320's)
b) F/A going sick so they may have to cap the pax on a flight to an amount that will not exceed to 1:36 ratio of F/A's to pax
c) a seat on the a/c being unserviceable and therefore unsafe for pax to sit in on that flight
d) weight restrictions to a flight ie having to take on more fuel would could result in pax being offloaded in order for the a/c not to exceed its maximum take-off weight (MTOW).

However, in my experience when this happens the airline that overbooked you would make alternate arrangements for you to be on another flight with that same airline or a different airline depending on what airport you're at and what flights are available as opposed to you having to do this yourself.
 
Apologies if I've misinterpreted. I've just been in defence mode for the last 24 hours so i'm a bit touchy! :) Yeah I'm pretty amazed I got a boarding pass in the end as well when I look at it all. It'll make a nice souvenir for future travels though! I thankyou all for your informative comments, I have certainly learned a lot and will definitely use this when I want to travel again. Thankyou :)
Nat, I don't think he was having a go at you, but more more curious (as I am) as to why Tiger were able to give you a boarding pass for 6B at checkin when they mustn't have been oversold, then once they've started boarding the flight suddenly they're overbooked.

This is more a question I guess only Tiger/Aerocare can answer however we're all curious because if this kind of situation happened to you it could happen to any of us.

I wonder who suddenly ended up in your seat 6B then?

Oversales can happen for a number of reasons some of which are:

a) downgrade of aircraft type eg 767 to 737 (however not applicable to Tiger who only fly A320's)
b) F/A going sick so they may have to cap the pax on a flight to an amount that will not exceed to 1:36 ratio of F/A's to pax
c) a seat on the a/c being unserviceable and therefore unsafe for pax to sit in on that flight
d) weight restrictions to a flight ie having to take on more fuel would could result in pax being offloaded in order for the a/c not to exceed its maximum take-off weight (MTOW).

However, in my experience when this happens the airline that overbooked you would make alternate arrangements for you to be on another flight with that same airline or a different airline depending on what airport you're at and what flights are available as opposed to you having to do this yourself.
 
I wonder who suddenly ended up in your seat 6B then?

Yeah this is the crux of the matter. Would just love to see who got this seat and what it actually says on their boarding pass. Not sure how the Tiger computer would actually allow two boarding passes to be printed with 6B on them. Tiger has done something dodgy here.
 
And one thing for all of us to remember, although not applicable here. As soon as you've got your boarding pass and luggage receipt, take a photo of it so you have proof that it was issued.

I'm surprised Nat was allowed to retain his BP. Just seems to confirm to me that Tiger did something dodgy.
 
Apologies if I've misinterpreted. I've just been in defence mode for the last 24 hours so i'm a bit touchy! :) Yeah I'm pretty amazed I got a boarding pass in the end as well when I look at it all. It'll make a nice souvenir for future travels though! I thankyou all for your informative comments, I have certainly learned a lot and will definitely use this when I want to travel again. Thankyou :)

Stick around Nat there are heaps of other great tips on this site & by the way welcome to AFF!

As Viper said on Top Gun "gentleman, you had a helleva first day"! :cool:
 
This is indeed quite weird. Generally speaking, if the flight was overbooked, there wouldn't be a boarding pass issued. Even then, if someone needs to be offloaded, common sense says that they would find someone without baggage, rather than someone with tons of baggage which the ground crew have to go hunting for, potentially delaying departure. Also, alternative arrangements would've been made, but it appears there was none - not even a rebooking to the next available flight. I'm not suggesting that this is you, but the most likely scenario I can see from the facts is that you did something very bad to the point where the airline had to deny you from boarding. However, there doesn't seem to be any evidence of this either.
 
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