Dumped Tiger Pax rant goes viral

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Nat, one more advice - always think about value for money when booking flights. It basically means that the cheapest isn't always the best.

Tiger was clearly in a breach of contract in this case, hence the refund/apology. I'm also wondering who ended up in seat 6 B???
 
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It never ceases to amaze me what airlines get away with and how they justify it.

I have no problem with flights being oversold on the condition the pecking order is the order in which the booking is made, potentially like a waitlist, not when someone checks-in for the flight. So you book last and you are on stand by.

And if a passenger with a confirmed booking and boarding pass is offloaded then there should be more than adequate compensation as well as a full refund.
 
Apologies if I've misinterpreted. I've just been in defence mode for the last 24 hours so i'm a bit touchy! :) Yeah I'm pretty amazed I got a boarding pass in the end as well when I look at it all. It'll make a nice souvenir for future travels though! I thankyou all for your informative comments, I have certainly learned a lot and will definitely use this when I want to travel again. Thankyou :)
Nat Martin,

Thanks for your input and welcome to AFF.

It would be intriguing to find out what and why from TT but we all know that will never happen.
 
While an excellent outcome for the young guy in the end, I believe most, if not all airlines have clauses in their conditions of carriage that you might not be able to fly on your booked flight for 'operational reasons'. I don't know how the consumer laws are impacted, as you have revoked many of these rights by agreeing to the conditions of carriage. Interesting to investigate the legalities around this.
 
While an excellent outcome for the young guy in the end, I believe most, if not all airlines have clauses in their conditions of carriage that you might not be able to fly on your booked flight for 'operational reasons'. I don't know how the consumer laws are impacted, as you have revoked many of these rights by agreeing to the conditions of carriage. Interesting to investigate the legalities around this.
You could hardly class over booking as 'operational reasons' though.
 
There's no justification for over-booking when the airline has a "no show = no refund" policy like Tiger does. They've got their money and they get to keep it. Hedging against passengers not turning up is fine if they would be allowed to travel on a later flight, but with Tiger if a pax is a no show Tiger keeps the original fare, and quite often sells another one when the pax rebooks. Overbooking flights in these conditions is pure greed and nothing more.
 
I don't know how the consumer laws are impacted, as you have revoked many of these rights by agreeing to the conditions of carriage. Interesting to investigate the legalities around this.

Most of the important stuff covered under the Commonwealth Australian Consumer Law and the corresponding state Fair Trading Acts cannot be revoked by contract. Especially by 'fine print' terms of service / tick-the-box-if-you-agree types of disclaimers found on websites.

I think that airlines would have a very hard time defending such practices in court, which is one of the reasons they tend to be quite 'reasonable' about refunds. The weight of public opinion helps too ;-) In a situation such as this the airline is in a much greater position of 'power' over the consumer, and thus the court would and should impose greater duties and levels of scrutiny upon their behaviour.

I doubt this would've even got as far as TT's legal team, but if it had they would've very quickly cost more $$$ in their time than the cost to refund.
 
That would have made for an interesting episode of TT's 'Airways' show.

I still would love to know what Tigers reason was for the oversale & why the situation was only apparent after the pax
was checked in with boarding pass in hand.

JohnK I'm looking forward to hearing about your forthcoming sortie with 'Gocat'.
 
You could hardly class over booking as 'operational reasons' though.
But is seems clear that at the time Nat checked-in, and Tiger has said he was the last person to check-in, the flight was not in an "over-sale" condition. Otherwise, as has been noted, he would have been issued with a boarding pass and had his bags checked-in.

I think that part of the problem here is the use of the term "over-sold". As ozbeachbabe has pointed out, this does not necessarily mean that Tiger has sold more tickets for the flight than there are seats on the aircraft (though this certain does happen with airlines). If, for example, there are 120 seats on the aircraft and they sell 121 tickets, then the 121st person to check-in will not be able to assigned a seat.

So the "over-sold" situation here is not due to Tiger selling more tickets than seats. Its an event that would seem to have occurred after check-in closed. So for some reason, Nat's seat was no longer available for him. That either means, as previously mentioned, that a seat was unserviceable or they were a crew member down or the flight was weight-restricted. Or, there was an operational requirement to uplift someone else, perhaps a tech crew member or other staff member (engineer, perhaps) that would potentially have an impact on later operations. Or perhaps it was the Captain's wife that "needed" to be on-loaded after check-in closed. We will likely never know.

But whatever happened, the fact remains that Nat no longer had a seat on that flight. So while it may then technically be called an "over-sold" flight, it was not a case of Tiger selling more tickets than seats, but a case of some event that happened after check-in closed, which may be considered "operational" rather than a result of sales practices.

It seems that Nat has learned some lessons - probably lessons were all learned at some time, either by reading forums like this or hearing stories of other people's experiences. But one important lesson is ensure you are never the last person to check-in for a flight. Rightly or wrongly, its the last person to check-in that is going to be in a bad situation when things like this happen.
 
Why would they load baggage and then off load the pax?

And why would Tiger refund his money so quickly?

I reckon there's more to the story than is presented here.

A refund is expected, but not covering the cost of the other flight

As the AFP was somehow "helping his family" as a few others have said there is more to this story than is being reported!
 
There's no justification for over-booking when the airline has a "no show = no refund" policy like Tiger does. They've got their money and they get to keep it. Hedging against passengers not turning up is fine if they would be allowed to travel on a later flight, but with Tiger if a pax is a no show Tiger keeps the original fare, and quite often sells another one when the pax rebooks. Overbooking flights in these conditions is pure greed and nothing more.

All full service airlines have an overbooking policy. LCCs would have one as well, as they sell flexible tickets too. My guess is they put someone on a higher fare basis in his seat as he was probably on the bargain basement fare, or an operational cause as suggested, but that's just speculation.
 
Digging through Tiger's conditions of carriage they do cover it.

If we are unable to provide you with previously confirmed space on any flight as a result of over-booking, we shall provide you with compensation in accordance with our Denied Boarding Policy.

Which links to Denied Boarding Policy

If you are denied boarding due to overbooking of a scheduled flight for which you have a confirmed reservation, we will aim to get you to your destination as soon as possible.

For a Domestic Flight, we will provide you with compensation of AUD 85 per passenger in the form of a flight travel voucher.
For an International Flight, we will provide you with compensation of SGD 100 per passenger in the form of a flight travel voucher.

Not exactly the greatest policy. But by the sounds of it they didn't even follow their policy.
 
Not exactly the greatest policy. But by the sounds of it they didn't even follow their policy.
Thanks for posting the Tiger denied boarding policy.

That policy would result in the passenger receiving an $85 travel voucher and being accommodated on the next available Tiger flight to the destination. So we really don't know if they were following this policy or not since the passenger chose to take another airline to get to his destination. There has been no mention of what "compensation" was offered by Tiger, either before or after the Facebook "rant".

Most LCC have a policy that they will not re-accommodate passengers on other airline's flights. Their low margins do not allow them to incur the additional costs associated with using other airlines, especially full-service airlines. So they normally only offer to accommodate on their next available flight. In this case, the next available flight was the following day and that was not acceptable to the passenger, so he chose to make his own alternate arrangements.

Now the rules imposed by some governments (like the EU rules) may force airlines to re-accommodate disrupted passengers on other airlines to get them to their destination within a certain window of time. But that does not apply to a Tiger flight from HBA to MEL. So if Tiger offered the passenger a seat on the next available Tiger flight (even being the following day) and a travel voucher for $85, then they have followed their policy. I make no comment as to whether this policy is appropriate in the circumstances.

So its important for all of us to know and understand the policy that should be applied if this ever happens to us. And if that policy is going to result in an unacceptable situation (such as arriving too late for a commitment) then we need to make our of decision about the value of the product being purchased verses the risk of something going wrong in the process. If the risk of finding the compensation unacceptable is too great, then make different arrangements (book an earlier flight, use an airline with a different policy etc). I will very rarely book the last flight of the day just in case something happens that means I don't get to my destination that day. If the consequences of being delayed, a flight being cancelled, or something like this denied boarding event happens, are too great, then I will take an earlier flight or choose a different airline that does have some options in case something goes wrong - even if it means paying a higher fare. Booking airfares is all about risk management, and that can only be achieved through experience and research.

I booked an airfare for my son to travel to Sydney for a family event. I evaluated the choices between using FF points, sale fares, flexible fares etc. In the end I chose to use a fare that was a good price but offered extremely limited flexibility and change/cancellation costs in excess of the cost of the fare. So when the event was cancelled during the week before, I found I had lost the fare (the cancellation cost was more than the value). I played the risk management game and lost on that occasion. But I knew the risks when I booked that fare, and accepted them, so when the unexpected happened and the event was cancelled, I realise I have no grounds for complaint (disappointment, yes - complaint, no). This obviously a different situation to Nat's experience, but the risk management is similar. In his case, the airline has a policy for denied boarding and that policy would never get him to Melbourne the same evening. So if getting there that evening is important, then there is a risk that needs to be considered and managed. What if the aircraft had a tech problem that grounded it for the night? What if the Captain or FO fell ill in Hobart? What was the "plan B"? Tiger's policy would have been to re-accommodate the passengers on the next available Tiger flight - the following day.

Part of my risk management strategy is ensuring I am never the last passenger to check-in. As Nat found out the hard way, being last to check-in significantly increased the risk of being bumped. Rightly or wrongly, and without consideration for compensation policies or moral responsibilities, that is the fact when it comes to airline travel. Experience is like the stern light of a ship - illuminating the path we have already traveled. I expect that Nat has now learned from his ship's stern light.
 
Alright. One of my friends pointed me out to this. Picking exactly apart my post is a bit harsh as I was unbelievable angered and flustered at the time so I will give you the exact rundown of what happened and these missing details.

Monday 18[SUP]th[/SUP] March booked my ticket.
Last night:
Got to the airport at 7pm. Tiger’s check in closed at 7.20pm. That’s an hour and 5 mins before the flight.
Paid my excess baggage fee (yes it was expensive, but it was my fault for not booking the correct fare, I just had a few more things to take back to Melbourne from Tassie that I thought) As I said my fault and I coughed up without fuss.

Not too sure if you’re familiar with Hobart airport but there’s not too many airs or graces with it. Took me even with the payment for more baggage 5 minutes to line up and check in.

I got my boarding pass, with seat 6B on it at about 7.05-7.07.

I then, and this is the thing that I should’ve put in my post that would’ve shut a lot of people up, I WAITED IN THE DEPARTURE LOUNGE FOR AT LEAST 25-30 MINUTES BEFORE BOARDING TIME WITH A BOARDING PASS. I had that time to kill! The flight didn’t board til 7.40ish and didn’t leave for another hour after check in. HOW IS THAT BEING LATE!?!?! As I said, should’ve been in the post but I was angry, emotion running extremely high and I just wanted to get my story out there to give me the best chance at getting my money back. All I ever cared about.
During this time I chatted with my family, mainly about Hawthorn’s great win.
Then at around 7.35-7.40 Tiger started boarding. I waited in line, and my family left. When got to the gate (gate 2) was informed, with my boarding pass as a legal contract of entry onto the aircraft that I couldn’t get on the aircraft due to it being oversold as I’ve already specified on facebook.
I waited absolutely fuming for about 5 minutes in which time I had phoned my parents to come back to the airport. After this time one of the ground crew (Aerocare) informed me there were 2 more flights available to Melbourne from Hobart for the night. I sprinted to virgin. No good, flight had closed. Then as I said my only hope was the $296 Jetstar flight at 9.25. I coughed up half as it was all I could. Mum and Dad helped me with the other half.
The AFP officer you mentioned was assisting me to get my missing bag back off the aircraft so I could check it in again through JQ. He made the remark after hearing about my story to my dad. After about 20mins after buying the Jetstar ticket I was able to get my bag back, check it in with JQ and sit in the departure lounge again where I wrote my post.

I am guilty of nothing but my own naivety, I didn’t even know airlines oversold flights until last night. I’m only 19 and haven’t travelled all that much in my life, the furthest I’ve been is to the Gold Coast. I followed all their rules and didn’t get what I was entitled to. I am sick and tired of defending myself to people that either cant read correctly or are just absolute keyboard warriors. Its been a ridiculously long day, all I wanted was my money back, I didn’t wake up yesterday expecting to have a 67k like post on Facebook and be $500 out of pocket by the end of the night. Nor did I want it either, I didn’t expect it to take off like it did. To go to the extent where people are checking on my photos to try and take shots at my claims about my budget because I went to a few bloody music festivals with my Girlfriend last year and call me a ‘lazy uni student’ and a drug user is disgusting. Not to mention the person that called me off a block number last night claiming to be from tiger asking for my debit card details.
To their credit Tiger refunded me fully this morning and very quickly. I deleted my post as I didn’t really want the bloody attention to start with and I ddn’t want it to go any further when they had done what I’d already asked.

This is the last thing I am saying on this whole bloody thing, I just want to concentrate on Uni and try and get a kick against Upper Ferntree Gully on Saturday. I’m happy I got what I was after but I’ve learned a hell of a lot of lessons.

Hi Nat,
Welcome to AFF and thanks for joining in to give a first-hand account.
Take Awesom Andy's advice (#23) - there's plenty of folk here willing to impart their knowledge and experience to help you learn how.
Good luck on Saturday! :)
 
If Tiger had simply given him what he paid for, nothing more and nothing less then he would have had no reason to complain.

i have no issue with him going off tangent, it's the only method to get a company like tiger to take notice. Sticking to the facts would not have got him the attention.

tiger like to play it tough, I think it's called Karma. Don't treat people this way unless you can handle it yourself.

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We don't have regulations in Australia in term of overbooking. If this had of happened in the UK he would have received 250 GBP which still wouldn't have allowed him to fly home.
No we don't but we do have contract law. The issue is of course around having a public regulator who oversees all this, you can take an airline to court and in my opinion win given the airlines have policy of overbooking. Would make an interesting case "yes, we rotinely sell services that we know as a matter of policy we will not be able to supply". But of course going to court is expensive and most would be scared off by the prospect of taking on a large airline.

This is why many countries have now put a regulator in place. It's important to note that regulations are not really new laws, they supplement existing laws like contract law in defining what is "reasonable" in compensation, and in particular usually set a framework whereby you can get your comlaints heard. Am wondering when Australia will do this, with America and Europe having gone down this path seems like Australia is behind the times. There was talk of this, wonder what happened?
 
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