Email from QFF [FF Account suspended]

[Vic]

That's a bold move, Cotton. Not sure I'd be relying on an admission of committing the crime of bigamy to save my QFF points myself but I'd love every minute of reading the story of the maverick that gives it a go

It's only bigamy if there are actual legal marriages involved. Not bigamy for multiple domestic partners. Can't imagine a polygamous sect would bother with legal marriage

 

[justinbrett]

After reading that im technically in the wrong when i gave my gf at the time of 4 yrs a flight for a holiday we went together, we werent living together so werent defacto or anything more on that list , 10 yrs ago

I would think if you travel together Qantas isn’t worried, you obviously know each other so very unlikely you were compensated for the points. I think they just want to stop randoms selling online.

 

[SOPOOR]

I would think if you travel together Qantas isn’t worried, you obviously know each other so very unlikely you were compensated for the points. I think they just want to stop randoms selling online.

Im sure you are probably right . But given some other reports of account suspensions for people who claim to have done virtually nothing. And being qantas.

Im not worried but i guess it is all possible

 

[mannej]

Im sure you are probably right . But given some other reports of account suspensions for people who claim to have done virtually nothing. And being qantas.

Im not worried but i guess it is all possible

Correct me if I’m wrong, but there have been more reports on here of Velocity investigating possible family pooling “fraud” then of QF. The only two I can remember is this thread and the one of the rorting of the QF shopping mall (thanks for that).

I don’t think QF would go after your case.

 

[get me outta here]

Noting that the points selling business is a major earner for QF. They much prefer them to expire than be sold to someone who may use them.

If points themselves were a product, then maybe. But points are a promotional tool. .... but it is a promotional tool for the airline. Of course they are going to have absolutely control on their own promotional tool.

 

[UP4014]

Im sure you are probably right . But given some other reports of account suspensions for people who claim to have done virtually nothing. And being qantas.

Im not worried but i guess it is all possible

I always think there is more to the story when people claim they did nothing wrong and have a suspended account.

 

[mrsterryn]

Working on the ' don't sell ' am I able to purchase a ticket for a friend? No financial component
Just curious..Mind you I M managing to spend mine and my husband's quite easily

 

[cambriamarsh]

Working on the ' don't sell ' am I able to purchase a ticket for a friend? No financial component
Just curious..Mind you I M managing to spend mine and my husband's quite easily

Don’t think so unless they fit within one of the approved categories when purchasing award tickets other than for self. If a cash purchase of course!

 

[mrsterryn]

Just checking g my status and I realised that the complimentary gold membership can be given to family or friend.
I wonder why one item you can gift e.g. gold but points you can't?

 

[get me outta here]

You make an interesting point.

(Is there somewhere to find if I can gift gold? I'm not a LTG if that's what's, just a lowly LTS. Am currently gold though.)

Just checking g my status and I realised that the complimentary gold membership can be given to family or friend.
I wonder why one item you can gift e.g. gold but points you can't?

 

[mrsterryn]

Just to show the offer

 

[get me outta here]

Thanks for that, nothing like that for me.

Just to show the offer

 

[RoMambai]

Just checking g my status and I realised that the complimentary gold membership can be given to family or friend

It won't surprise you to hear these things are also flogged on OzB.

 

[opusman]

Just checking g my status and I realised that the complimentary gold membership can be given to family or friend.
I wonder why one item you can gift e.g. gold but points you can't?

You can gift points to family, you just can't sell them.

 

[Flying mermaid]

You make an interesting point.

(Is there somewhere to find if I can gift gold? I'm not a LTG if that's what's, just a lowly LTS. Am currently gold though.)

You have to be double Platinum . I.e. when you hit 2400 status credits in your membership year, you can gift gold. I did it once in my many years of membership and Ms FM was the lucky beneficiary. I think it was less than 2400 when I did it.

 

[Pushka]

You have to be double Platinum . I.e. when you hit 2400 status credits in your membership year, you can gift gold. I did it once in my many years of membership and Ms FM was the lucky beneficiary. I think it was less than 2400 when I did it.

Funny thing is MrP gifted me Gold one year and not being a part of QFF boards back then I didn’t appreciate what it meant. Took mum on a trip to HK and lined up with everyone else in HK. There is usually someone checking all the BP in the loooooong queue and he got to us and said Madam, come this way! And took us on straight away. I had no idea what SG meant.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

If points themselves were a product, then maybe. But points are a promotional tool. The moment you make points a salable product you make them a surrogate currency. That's the thing about points. They don't go off and they don't physically exist, but they are there to trade for goods or services. so in essence they are a trade mechanism. If you make it exchangeable for dollars in an open market, - as you do when you allow them to be openly sold, it becomes a surrogate currency. This is everything the airlines don't want and would be a major regulatory problem for them.

I don't get this whole... monopoly thing. I know this sounds repetitive, but it is a promotional tool for the airline. Of course they are going to have absolutely control on their own promotional tool.

Points may well have started as a promotional tool, or as a genuine loyalty program, but these days thay are very much a hugely profitable product for Qantas.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Points may well have started as a promotional tool, or as a genuine loyalty program, but these days thay are very much a hugely profitable product for Qantas.

Not only profitable for Qantas, but also for those on the trading of goods websites.

 

[oz_mark]

If points themselves were a product, then maybe. But points are a promotional tool. The moment you make points a salable product you make them a surrogate currency. That's the thing about points. They don't go off and they don't physically exist, but they are there to trade for goods or services. so in essence they are a trade mechanism. If you make it exchangeable for dollars in an open market, - as you do when you allow them to be openly sold, it becomes a surrogate currency. This is everything the airlines don't want and would be a major regulatory problem for them.

As it stands, Loyalty Points would be a non cash payment facility under the corporations act. ASIC has however, granted loyalty program operators relief from sections of the act (licensing, disclosure, conduct) where they meet certain characteristics, by declaring them not to be such a facility.

It's also worth noting that the court ruling that exempted loyalty points from FBT took into account the fact that award tickets could only be used for family members.

People pushing for open slather on what they can do, and what they can trade, need to consider the whole legal framework around what they are suggesting. The results may not be in anyones interests.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

If that is a No Go you can get a family member or others to book your flights.

Or if still wanting to fly QF, book with a travel agent without amassing QFpoints.
Going to a TA (paying cash and telling said TA you don't want to collect QFpoints).