F amenities - Open Access by J pax

[legroom]

I tended to agree with you..... that's why that was the first time I had raised that issue with the FA after seeing it on multiple other occasions (not on the same flight).

I had done what you thought "reasonable" in the past, but then .... it keeps happening !

Should we move the goal post to "3, 4" J pax transgressions before any concern should be raised ?

Why not "5, 6" then ? Who is to decide what the "reasonable" number should be ?

AFAIK, QF says (this morning on a follow up phone call to me) that it should not have happened i.e. "0".

I think I'm in the minority here but agree with cmon0005.

If the passenger (or other J passengers) had repeatedly used the F toilet then fair enough but in this situation I personally wouldn't even have alerted a flight attendant. There's too much unknown, as outlined by others. As for following it up, I personally don't believe it's warranted.

I certainly agree that the F toilets are for F passengers but, again, if i was only an isolated incident as far as you're aware, I would not take it further.

 

[under the radar]

how a person 'reacts' to certain situations is more a reflection on the person...not the situation:shock: even in FIRST...it is still public transport, that operates within its constraints, and out of the ordinary circumstances can happen:shock: who's to say the same thing would never happen on another airline...but one thing i'm certain of....if the 'roles' where reversed..it would be a different story

 

[esseeeayeenn]

Life is too short to remain concerned about something like this after you have disembarked the aircraft.

 

[QF029]

This is embarrassing. Let it go.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Part of the problem could be solved by a few simple measures:

• a rope barrier (or two) on the stairs (this is common procedure with many airlines)
• an announcement that WCs are for use by passengers ticketed in that cabin only
• a quick addition to the cabin crew meet-and-greet in emerald city that J class WCs are (...where ever they are?!)

Qantas used to employ the meet-and-greet toilet location talk in premium economy, so why not business class?

 

[A100]

this is about the funniest thing I have read in a long time. talk about a first world, or should that be first class, problem.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Nothing is sacred anymore, not J nor F. Its all me, me, me or them, you get my drift.
But I certainly feel your angst, I saw one for myself PER to SYD.
One min a seat in J was empty, right across from me, I had paid $350 for that upgrade thing, $350 good worth it dollars, and no extra VA SC, mind you.
The next sec, this was after take off, this kid appears from Y and just takes that empty seat in J.
I was watching the empty seat from the start, its wasnt like the kid had boarded in J, but appeared from behind the curtain.
Not sure if it was sanctioned by a VA FA or did the kid daringly pop himself into J.
Then he started chatting with the lady in row H, by the window, so it could be deduced that maybe they knew each other.
For the thousands of extra that a person would have to pay LHR to SYD via DXB, or US to AU, to see a J or Y pax use a F loo, yes, kicking up a stink would be appropriate.
As for how OP was treated by the crew and now, by QF management, poor. But nowt much that can be done.

 

[legroom]

To those DYKWIAs who believe that Emerald City gives them a self-inflated sense of false entitlement, this was what the FA said to me upon hearing my concern:

'.... I have to clean up the loo, put on the seat cover, tidy up the sink .... between each patron ..... And believe me, we have enough to do already ....'

BTW, it was emphatically pointed out to me it remains a QF published policy (cf to all those hidden unpublished ones that those DYKWIAs are so fond of) that:

A) Cabin separation is the norm

B) Staff is expected to enforce (A)

Customer Care apologized to me and had referred my incident to Cabin Management for staff retraining.

*****

What's the alternative to having a Clayton rule ?

Could anyone order from the MCG members' bar ?

*****

PS: I do often travel in row 12 and my self respect always stops me from any transgression. That seems to be the missing ingredient in some.

 

[Pushka]

There's a saying I try (and sometimes fail) to remember. "Don't expect others to live up to your standards as you will usually disappointed".

 

[Hvr]

Part of the problem could be solved by a few simple measures:

• a rope barrier (or two) on the stairs (this is common procedure with many airlines)
• an announcement that WCs are for use by passengers ticketed in that cabin only
• a quick addition to the cabin crew meet-and-greet in emerald city that J class WCs are (...where ever they are?!)

Qantas used to employ the meet-and-greet toilet location talk in premium economy, so why not business class?

I can solve it in an instant. First offence by any J pax is met with a warning to all J pax. Second offence by any J pax will mean they are reseated in the rear most middle Y seat. If plane is full the person in that seat shall be moved to J.

I guarantee there wont be a third offence.

Of course a much more refined solution would be to have a swipe card issued to all F pax and that is the only way to enter any F toilet.

 

[legroom]

Alternatively, this is one of my Golden Rules.

"... So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you ..."

Matthew 7.12

He was kinda more famous than we all hope to be (DYKWIAs included).

There's a saying I try (and sometimes fail) to remember. "Don't expect others to live up to your standards as you will usually disappointed".

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Matthew 7.12

while using the F lavatories might be a divine experience for some, I'm not sure we have to resort to scriptures to instill some basic manners

If you have chosen not to fly first class for this particular journey (either because you want to save money, or can't afford it), don't use the facilities. It's kind of as simple as that.

Could Qantas do more to prevent the issue? Sure. Barrier ropes would seem to be an immediate and very simple solution. I know there is a view that barriers are a potential (major) safety issue, but I have yet to see any evidence to support that.

 

[boomy]

while using the F lavatories might be a divine experience for some

I can understand if some J pax flying EK would try to sneak into F for a quick shower but seriously, what is so special about QF F lavatories?

 

[Pushka]

Alternatively, this is one of my Golden Rules.

"... So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you ..."

Matthew 7.12

He was kinda more famous than we all hope to be (DYKWIAs included).

But that doesn't solve the issue. The "intruders" may not mind if you used the loos, even if you weren't entitled (by fare purchase) to do so. It just may not be an issue for them.

Everyone has different trigger buttons.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

...what is so special about QF F lavatories?

they're clean, you generally don't have to wait, they have premium amenities.

 

[legroom]

Compared to J, it is refreshed regularly with clean / dry sink, floor etc...

The toilet paper is folded up (like hotel) and a new seat cover is placed ready - again, every time I get to visit them.

Plus, Payot moisturiser on tap !

So, yes, I do understand why some would prefer to access it (while not having an entitlement to do so).

It boils down to manners (sense of entitlement / DYKWIAs / "who cares" etc...).

they're clean, you generally don't have to wait, they have premium amenities.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Compared to J, it is refreshed regularly with clean / dry sink, floor etc...

The toilet paper is folded up (like hotel) and a new seat cover is placed ready - again, every time I get to visit them.

Plus, Payot moisturiser on tap !

So, yes, I do understand why some would prefer to access it (while not having an entitlement to do so).

It boils down to manners (sense of entitlement / DYKWIAs / "who cares" etc...).

I can live without the TP folded like hotels... but the dry floor is a pretty good 'nice to have' (worst award in that department goes to Thai Airways who used to have carpet in the FC WCs on their 747s. Totally gross. I used to go to the second class toilets in the cabin behind!)

 

[Pushka]

I can live without the TP folded like hotels... but the dry floor is a pretty good 'nice to have' (worst award in that department goes to Thai Airways who used to have carpet in the FC WCs on their 747s. Totally gross. I used to go to the second class toilets in the cabin behind!)

I think even Y passengers have some kind of entitlement to a dry floor. Carpet -

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I think even Y passengers have some kind of entitlement to a dry floor. Carpet -

of course they are... but unfortunately a lot of time people aren't considerate to clean up after themselves. some airlines have a more proactive approach to cleaning WCs no matter which class, but at least on most the first (and to an extent busienss class) facilities are cleaned somewhat regularly.

 

[boomy]

I can live without the TP folded like hotels... but the dry floor is a pretty good 'nice to have' (worst award in that department goes to Thai Airways who used to have carpet in the FC WCs on their 747s. Totally gross. I used to go to the second class toilets in the cabin behind!)

If QF would give slippers instead of cheap socks to J pax then it would not be an issue.