F amenities - Open Access by J pax

[Spongbob]

I am enjoying this thread. But may take on the OP was not really that the F class toilet was used by a non-F class pax, but the way in which the query to the CC / CSM and then QF was handled (i.e. ignored).

 

[MEL_Traveller]

It's actually just a toilet.

If that were the case, why not use the toilet in their ticketed cabin?

You see the toilets aren't the same. Ours is clean. Ours is stocked with better amenities. And most importantly, ours is empty! Not to mention they're somewhere behind a curtain and a bulkhead with a big sign on it saying 'First Class Only Beyond This Point (except in an emergency)'.

The class system is alive and well in Australia. Just it's based on money.

Overall I reckon we're rather good at the whole thing.

Otherwise we wouldn't have Tooraks and Peppermint Groves. They're be no need for private schools. Or the local Mercedes dealership. Or the Bird Cage at the Melbourne Cup.

Given we have a class system firmly entrenched in money, that makes it even less of an excuse when people deliberately break the rules?

 

[JohnPhelan]

EK does have an attendant who hangs around outside the F shower suites on the A380 (and cleans them between pax). [Presumably this job is rotated around the F attendants, as it would be incredibly tedious if that was one person's allocated role.] But their presence would certainly deter use by pax from other classes.

 

[Flying mermaid]

EK does have an attendant who hangs around outside the F shower suites on the A380 (and cleans them between pax). [Presumably this job is rotated around the F attendants, as it would be incredibly tedious if that was one person's allocated role.] But their presence would certainly deter use by pax from other classes.

Only been on EK F once, but the two young ladies whose job it was to look after the showers etc, did not seem to me to be FAs. Certainly I never saw them in the F cabin talking to pax or serving meals - maybe wrong about that of course. The really nice thing about the shower system, is that you book your slot before landing so no way you can be wanting to change out of PJs and then find the loos occupied

 

[Quickstatus]

next time tar and feather the offenders as they do the walk of shame back up the stairs

Or 10000 FF points for using F loos if not in F - swipe FF card

 

[legroom]

That same indifference is shown in the Priority Boarding thread as well where the executives' tepid will is matched by the agents' pronounced lethargy.

It does not have to be this way - at least with a claimed Premium airline.

I am enjoying this thread. But may take on the OP was not really that the F class toilet was used by a non-F class pax, but the way in which the query to to the CC / CSM and then QF was handled (i.e. ignored).

 

[Pushka]

Maybe they could implement a swipe card system for exclusive F access?

<I know. Hvr already suggested it. >

 

[equus]

Of course a much more refined solution would be to have a swipe card issued to all F pax and that is the only way to enter any F toilet.

Why stop at just the F toilet? All pax are already issued a machine readable access pass which contains their class of travel and seat allocation. Simply put a boarding pass reader on all the loo doors.

 

[Pushka]

Sorry HVR. You got in first.

 

[GalaxyNexus]

As with other machine solutions like the WP shadow and other stuff, it'll only get overridden (in both the good and bad way) by humans.

 

[eminere]

EK does have an attendant who hangs around outside the F shower suites on the A380 (and cleans them between pax). [Presumably this job is rotated around the F attendants, as it would be incredibly tedious if that was one person's allocated role.] But their presence would certainly deter use by pax from other classes.

They're dedicated shower attendants, not FAs. I don't envy their job on those ultra long haul DXB-DFW treks.

 

[TonyHancock]

Something to think about:

"If you see fraud and don’t shout fraud, you are a fraud”. Nassim Nicholas Taleb

"Does Magna Carta mean nothing to you? Did she die in vain? Brave Hungarian peasant girl who forced King John to sign the pledge at Runnymede and close the boozers at half past ten! Is all this to be forgotten?"

Anthony St John Aloysius Hancock.

 

[Quickstatus]

They're dedicated shower attendants, not FAs. I don't envy their job on those ultra long haul DXB-DFW treks.

Probably get paid a lot less than the usual EK FA with less benefits also...

I do feel a tad embarrassed because these workers will probably never be able to afford to fly F in their lifetime while I have first world status, priority boarding J using F loos etc problems...

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Probably get paid a lot less than the usual EK FA with less benefits also...

I do feel a tad embarrassed because these workers will probably never be able to afford to fly F in their lifetime while I have first world status, priority boarding J using F loos etc problems...

I think your observations apply to most service jobs, and indeed many other countries when travelling abroad.

The EK WC attendants get to fly around the world and earn relatively good money. They have a safe and secure work environment. personally I don't think there is too much to be embarrassed about.

 

[Flying mermaid]

Probably get paid a lot less than the usual EK FA with less benefits also...

I do feel a tad embarrassed because these workers will probably never be able to afford to fly F in their lifetime while I have first world status, priority boarding J using F loos etc problems...

I used to feel like that about things - for many years refused to get a cleaner at home because it was wrong. However with the house disintegrating around me while I ran a business and raised 3 children (who were never put into child care), I finally caved in, after someone pointed out to me that I was actually taking a job away from someone who needed it.....

 

[JohnK]

While seeing a Y passenger using my J toilet is not the end of the world, I do think that locked doors a'la Titanic style to separate out the classes is long over due.

I actually don't care if someone uses a different toilet, the world will keep turning and my 60 seconds of annoyance will be gone.

I guess everyone has their quirks.

On my recent business class award flight(s) I can assure you I did not check who was using the toilets in business or if anyone in economy received a newspaper or glass of champagne or noise cancelling headphones or a business class amenity kit.

And I didn't ask for a first class amenity kit. That's because there was no first class but I did ask for a female amenity kit for mum.