Flight Availability/Loadings & Upgrade Probability Help Desk

[Sprucegoose]

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For Questions about Aircraft Configuration and Seat Availability, please use this thread:​

Understanding [Fare Buckets] Expert Flyer

I'd appreciate some help understanding the information EF provides. For example, F6 A6 J9 C9 D9 I0 B9 H9 K9 M9 R9 L9 V9 S0 N0 Q0 O0 X0 E0 What letters do I look at to try to work out how many seats are still available in economy? What letters do I look at to try to work out how many...

www.australianfrequentflyer.com.au

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See this thread for hints on how to read loadings:

Interpreting and Understanding Expert Flyer​

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If looking for, say Qantas points upgrades, look for A class for First, mid to high D or any I class for Business and any R for Premium Economy.

Look for the most expensive category of the cabin YOU are currently booked in as being sold out e.g. J0 to first, W0 to Business & Y0 to PE for increased op-up chances. Also, look for availability on the discount premium buckets (A, P, I, D, U, T & Z inventories).

Conversely, look for high numbers in the discount economy buckets (N, O, Q, E & X inventories) for reduced op-up chances.

Seat maps can be a VERY rough guide but note that just because a seat is not showing as allocated does not mean that seat hasn't been sold. Not everyone pre-selects seats.

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Original thread title: update on QF93 on 12 sept

Appreciate it if someone could check EP for loadings.

thnxs

SPRUCE

 

[OATEK]

May not be too promising, but the seat map on EF shows:

J = 7 Blocked, 3 vacant (3 blocked look a bit like "WP shadows")
W = 8 Blocked (all front row bulkhead seats), 3 vacant

Its always a lottery, you just never know.

 

[ADLhighflyer]

May not be too promising, but the seat map on EF shows:

J = 7 Blocked, 3 vacant (3 blocked look a bit like "WP shadows")
W = 8 Blocked (all front row bulkhead seats), 3 vacant

Its always a lottery, you just never know.

Thanks OATEK. Will see how I go - fingers crossed!

 

[rogerkambah]

Hoping someone can give me a rundown please on possibility of an op-up on CX138 SYD-HKG Monday 1 Sep, currently travelling in PE (32AC)?

Also, can other OW airlines 'see' my OWE status when I log into their seat selection page, (having declared my QFFF #) and offer a better selection of seats, or do I only get this option on QF, where my QF/OW status is known.

 

[defurax]

Hoping someone can give me a rundown please on possibility of an op-up on CX138 SYD-HKG Monday 1 Sep, currently travelling in PE (32AC)?

Also, can other OW airlines 'see' my OWE status when I log into their seat selection page, (having declared my QFFF #) and offer a better selection of seats, or do I only get this option on QF, where my QF/OW status is known.

The flight looks kind of full in all cabins : J2 C0 D0 I0 W4 R3 E0 Y9 B0 H0 K0 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0
Yes, other OW airlines can see your status. As a WP you can select almost any seat directly on CX website, but for some seats you have to call (exit row and some bassinet seats). In your case you could call CX and ask for seat 30A or 30C (more legroom), but these are bassinet seats.

As for up-op...you can never predict an up-op!

 

[rogerkambah]

The flight looks kind of full in all cabins : J2 C0 D0 I0 W4 R3 E0 Y9 B0 H0 K0 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0
Yes, other OW airlines can see your status. As a WP you can select almost any seat directly on CX website, but for some seats you have to call (exit row and some bassinet seats). In your case you could call CX and ask for seat 30A or 30C (more legroom), but these are bassinet seats.

As for up-op...you can never predict an up-op!

Thanx for this. So the sitrep is (if I am reading it correctly), at least 9 seats left in Y, 7 in PE, and only 2 in J?

 

[defurax]

Thanx for this. So the sitrep is (if I am reading it correctly), at least 9 seats left in Y, 7 in PE, and only 2 in J?

Y9 when all other economy buckets are zeroed can also mean that CX is ready to fill PE and J cabin with Y fares (via op-up). W4 means at least 4 seats in PE (loadings are not coughulative in a given cabin).

 

[rogerkambah]

Y9 when all other economy buckets are zeroed can also mean that CX is ready to fill PE and J cabin with Y fares (via op-up). W4 means at least 4 seats in PE (loadings are not coughulative in a given cabin).

Ok, will call CX and see if 30AC are available although they are shown as n/a in the seat selection page, but they may be holding in case of a late booking px requiring bassinet.

 

[OATEK]

Ok, will call CX and see if 30AC are available although they are shown as n/a in the seat selection page, but they may be holding in case of a late booking px requiring bassinet.

30A/C not yet allocated according to Expert Flyer.

The seat maps show 15 unallocated in J, and 11 unalloc in W.

 

[rogerkambah]

30A/C not yet allocated according to Expert Flyer.

The seat maps show 15 unallocated in J, and 11 unalloc in W.

Thanx OATEK.

 

[JohnK]

Thanx for this. So the sitrep is (if I am reading it correctly), at least 9 seats left in Y, 7 in PE, and only 2 in J?

It may also mean there are only 4 seats left and they are prepared to oversell.

 

[rogerkambah]

It may also mean there are only 4 seats left and they are prepared to oversell.

I just don't get how these seat numbers work. JohnK, how do you arrive at 4 seats left and in what class?

 

[Mr_Orange]

I just don't get how these seat numbers work. JohnK, how do you arrive at 4 seats left and in what class?

W4 means 4 full fare PE seats. R3 might mean 3 discounted PE seats or that they are prepared to oversell PE with a view to giving out a couple of op-ups to J.

 

[rogerkambah]

W4 means 4 full fare PE seats. R3 might mean 3 discounted PE seats or that they are prepared to oversell PE with a view to giving out a couple of op-ups to J.

Keep my fingers crossed then.

 

[JohnK]

I just don't get how these seat numbers work. JohnK, how do you arrive at 4 seats left and in what class?

Just a guess the are 4 premium economy seats and they are prepared to sell them for full economy.

On other flights at times we have noted there may only be a few premium seats left and the airline is prepared to sell them at discount economy prices to get anything for the seat and op-up people with status into the premium cabins.

 

[rogerkambah]

OK well we'll see what happens next week.

 

[Awesom Andy]

Although with only J2, I would suspect that even if they are willing to oversell Y+, it would only be 2 tickets. And given that it's currently W4, I suspect that there are at least 2 empty seats in Y+ unless they're going to take a gamble on possibly offloading some pax - possible depending on the loads on the other flights on the same day.

 

[MiLK_MaN]

I'm trying to get an AA award flight in U class for 2015-07-18 for MEL-AMS. When I check on expertflyer, the majority of flights don't even show U at all, not even U0.

I checked on QFF and can see a MEL-HKG-AMS business award, which I guess would be in U. I did call up the AA desk and they couldn't see anything at all. What's up with no U being displayed that far out?

 

[KVS]

I checked on QFF and can see a MEL-HKG-AMS business award, which I guess would be in U. I did call up the AA desk and they couldn't see anything at all. What's up with no U being displayed that far out?

Those Award Seats are definitely available -- for tips on dealing with Agents, who may claim otherwise, please see http://Help.KVSTool.com/#AgentSaysNo

[KVS Availability Tool 7.4.2/Diamond - Awards/OneWorld/AU-QFA-SP1]

MEL  Melbourne Metro / Tullamarine VI AU = MEL AVV [YMML]
AMS  Amsterdam Schiphol NL [EHAM]
SAT  18 Jul 2015 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive         St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
CX         134     MEL   07:40     HKG   15:20          0   CS-  WS-  YS+
 -> CX     271     HKG   00:15 +1  AMS   06:55 +1       0   CS-  WS-  YS+
[B][COLOR="#FF0000"]QF         29      MEL   09:35     HKG   17:10          0   CS+  WS-  YS+
 -> CX     271     HKG   00:15 +1  AMS   06:55 +1       0   CS+  WS-  YS+[/COLOR][/B]
QF         9       MEL   22:55     LHR   13:40 +1       1   CS-  WS+  YS+
 -> BA/CJ  8457    LCY   19:00 +1  AMS   21:05 +1       0   CS+  WS-  YS+

 

[MiLK_MaN]

Those Award Seats are definitely available -- for tips on dealing with Agents, who may claim otherwise, please see KVS Availability Tool: User Guide/FAQ

[KVS Availability Tool 7.4.2/Diamond - Awards/OneWorld/AU-QFA-SP1]

MEL  Melbourne Metro / Tullamarine VI AU = MEL AVV [YMML]
AMS  Amsterdam Schiphol NL [EHAM]
SAT  18 Jul 2015 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive         St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
CX         134     MEL   07:40     HKG   15:20          0   CS-  WS-  YS+
 -> CX     271     HKG   00:15 +1  AMS   06:55 +1       0   CS-  WS-  YS+
[B][COLOR="#FF0000"]QF         29      MEL   09:35     HKG   17:10          0   CS+  WS-  YS+
 -> CX     271     HKG   00:15 +1  AMS   06:55 +1       0   CS+  WS-  YS+[/COLOR][/B]
QF         9       MEL   22:55     LHR   13:40 +1       1   CS-  WS+  YS+
 -> BA/CJ  8457    LCY   19:00 +1  AMS   21:05 +1       0   CS+  WS-  YS+

I bought a 2 month subscription to KVS, found the above flights, called AA, they can't see the QF leg as available but the CX is open.

Guess I will try again tomorrow.

 

[rogerkambah]

Starting to wonder whether my flight QF878 (B737-800) CBR-SYD 01 Sep will be cancelled. Of the 26 Y rows (156 seats) I can see at my seat selection page, rows 4 and 5 are blocked and only 6 other seats are u/a. Not a high load factor.

I don't want this flight to be cancelled, as it will affect my time in the Flounge.