Flight Availability/Loadings & Upgrade Probability Help Desk

[Sprucegoose]

PLEASE INCLUDE DATE, FLIGHT NUMBER, ORIGIN & DESTINATION IN ALL REQUESTS

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>>>> ADDED BY ADMIN (6 Sept 2010) <<<<

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Background to this thread
We have noticed an increase in the posting of questions about seat availability on specific flights. These are all valid questions and we all appreciate the efforts our members go to to provide answers.

The only drawback is that our forums can become "cluttered" with specific questions about availability on specific flights. This tends to reduce the overall usability of our site.
We have therefore created this new consolidated thread where you can ask questions about seat availability on specific flights. Hopefully, this will reduce clutter and improve useability.

Guidelines for posting in this thread
Please post questions about availability of specific flights or upgrade probability in this new consolidated thread. Be sure to include the airline, flight number, date, origin and destination and any other relevant detail.

When answering questions, please include the original question. This will assist in readability and management of the thread.

Thanks!

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For Questions about Aircraft Configuration and Seat Availability, please use this thread:​

Understanding [Fare Buckets] Expert Flyer

I'd appreciate some help understanding the information EF provides. For example, F6 A6 J9 C9 D9 I0 B9 H9 K9 M9 R9 L9 V9 S0 N0 Q0 O0 X0 E0 What letters do I look at to try to work out how many seats are still available in economy? What letters do I look at to try to work out how many...

www.australianfrequentflyer.com.au

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See this thread for hints on how to read loadings:

Interpreting and Understanding Expert Flyer​

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If looking for, say Qantas points upgrades, look for A class for First, mid to high D or any I class for Business and any R for Premium Economy.

Look for the most expensive category of the cabin YOU are currently booked in as being sold out e.g. J0 to first, W0 to Business & Y0 to PE for increased op-up chances. Also, look for availability on the discount premium buckets (A, P, I, D, U, T & Z inventories).

Conversely, look for high numbers in the discount economy buckets (N, O, Q, E & X inventories) for reduced op-up chances.

Seat maps can be a VERY rough guide but note that just because a seat is not showing as allocated does not mean that seat hasn't been sold. Not everyone pre-selects seats.

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Original thread title: update on QF93 on 12 sept

Appreciate it if someone could check EP for loadings.

thnxs

SPRUCE

 

[OATEK]

Re: y+ to J

I'm still pretty new at all this. I looked up the flight loadings for QF107 on May 7th in Economy on www.flightstats.com and got:

W5, R5, T1, Z0, Y9, B9, H9, K9, M9, L9, V9, S9, N9, Q9, O9, G0, X9, E0.

Do all those 9's indicate a lightly loaded flight? How does one tell if there are literally 9 empty seats or if there are potentially 90 empty seats? What can be extrapolated from the different classes i.e. some being 9 and some being 0? I'm keen to learn more about this.

My understanding is the the 9 means there are nine or more seats in that basket. I look at seatmap in EF for a particular flight to see which seats are:
1. Occupied
2. Blocked, and
3. Showing as free

I have taken the free plus blocked figure to give an idea of how full it is at that point.

 

[myfavouritescar]

Re: y+ to J

My understanding is the the 9 means there are nine or more seats in that basket. I look at seatmap in EF for a particular flight to see which seats are:
1. Occupied
2. Blocked, and
3. Showing as free

I have taken the free plus blocked figure to give an idea of how full it is at that point.

I've done that and got around 120 empty seats. The odd thing is that every seat on Expert Flyer displays as either occupied or blocked, with only 3 empty seats. The seat I've just selected on the QF site shows as occupied with blocked seats on either side. On the QF seat map there are a ton of empty seats, that display as blocked on Expert Flyer. I'm only a NB. I don't understand why they seat maps are so different!

 

[Newk]

Re: y+ to J

I've done that and got around 120 empty seats. The odd thing is that every seat on Expert Flyer displays as either occupied or blocked, with only 3 empty seats. The seat I've just selected on the QF site shows as occupied with blocked seats on either side. On the QF seat map there are a ton of empty seats, that display as blocked on Expert Flyer. I'm only a NB. I don't understand why they seat maps are so different!

I thank you for asking this. I'm also finding my way around EF and was afraid to ask this sort of stuff in case it was obvious or answered here and I haven't looked hard enough.

I'd love any thoughts from the experts.

Regards

Newk

 

[OATEK]

Re: y+ to J

When I initially asked about this a while back I was told that it had to do with the handover of control to the ground staff at the terminal. Perhaps there is a filter in the EF data feed that produces a slightly different answer when a flight ins down to T-1/T-2. I know there was a long discussion about the same issue in relation to EK flights a week or two ago, where there was a similar discrepancy.

 

[legroom]

Re: y+ to J

I've done that and got around 120 empty seats. The odd thing is that every seat on Expert Flyer displays as either occupied or blocked, with only 3 empty seats. The seat I've just selected on the QF site shows as occupied with blocked seats on either side. On the QF seat map there are a ton of empty seats, that display as blocked on Expert Flyer. I'm only a NB. I don't understand why they seat maps are so different!

Strange indeed

EF showed a lot of blocked seats on QF107 but plenty of empty seats on QF11 on the same day.

Must be some operational reason by QF - that would be my guess.

I have not seen this so far with any of my flights with QF, however.

Most (if not all) of the time, EF gives you an accurate seat map of QF flights as seen from MMB.

"Blocked seats" do not comes from EF, it could only come from QF's information as sent to EF.

As to why, your guess is as good as mine.

 

[serfty]

Re: y+ to J

I'm still pretty new at all this. I looked up the flight loadings for QF107 on May 7th in Economy on www.flightstats.com and got:

W5, R5, T1, Z0, Y9, B9, H9, K9, M9, L9, V9, S9, N9, Q9, O9, G0, X9, E0.

Do all those 9's indicate a lightly loaded flight? How does one tell if there are literally 9 empty seats or if there are potentially 90 empty seats? What can be extrapolated from the different classes i.e. some being 9 and some being 0? I'm keen to learn more about this.

My understanding is the the 9 means there are nine or more seats in that basket. I look at seatmap in EF for a particular flight to see which seats are:
1. Occupied
2. Blocked, and
3. Showing as free

I have taken the free plus blocked figure to give an idea of how full it is at that point.

I've done that and got around 120 empty seats. The odd thing is that every seat on Expert Flyer displays as either occupied or blocked, with only 3 empty seats. The seat I've just selected on the QF site shows as occupied with blocked seats on either side. On the QF seat map there are a ton of empty seats, that display as blocked on Expert Flyer. I'm only a NB. I don't understand why they seat maps are so different!

I thank you for asking this. I'm also finding my way around EF and was afraid to ask this sort of stuff in case it was obvious or answered here and I haven't looked hard enough.

I'd love any thoughts from the experts.

Regards

Newk

See maps aren't necessarily a good guide. Also a 9 means they are prepeared to sell 9 seat - not much else (although the fare buckets can be an indicator). For more on this, please refer to the thread "Understanding Expert Flyer".

(There is a link to it on post #1 of this very thread.:idea

 

[reubenhills]

Re: y+ to J

Hi There , My enquiry is on the probability of an upgrade on QF 11 tomorrow

Sorry I am still new to trying to understand EE . I am flying out on QF11 tomorrow 7 may was enquiring on the probability of an upgrade from economy to business i am QF Gold. by my calculations there are 20 seats open

[TABLE="width: 780"]
[TR]
[TD]QF 11[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD]SYD

05/07/13 1:05 PM[/TD]
[TD]LAX

05/07/13 9:45 AM[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]388[/TD]
[TD]Unavailable

71% / 45m[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 6"]F0 A0 P0 J5 C6 D5 I4 U0 W9 R9 T5 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9 G0 X9 E0 [/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[curiost]

Re: y+ to J

I tried to look up some flights on flightstats as per the first post on this thread by my flights don't come up - any help? My flights are about 4 weeks away so I wasn't going to ask someone to look it up for me just yet but it seems I can't even do it myself. (I tried QF 23 SYD-BKK on June 6 but it doesn't show it)

The error code I got was "Sorry, we could not find the flight QF 23 in our system". Any help?

 

[serfty]

... by my calculations there are 20 seats open

NO!

See Post #1 - Understanding Expert Flyer.

"J5 C6 D5 I4" means Qantas are willing to sell no more than 6 seat in business class.

 

[Newk]

Re: y+ to J

See maps aren't necessarily a good guide. Also a 9 means they are prepeared to sell 9 seat - not much else (although the fare buckets can be an indicator). For more on this, please refer to the thread "Understanding Expert Flyer".

(There is a link to it on post #1 of this very thread.:idea

Thanks Serfty. I knew there was a reason I was hanging back asking . Just needed time to clear my head and sit down for a few hours (days?) and go through this thread.

Nevertheless it was worth asking as at at least now I have a better idea of where to start (DUH.....the start of the thread)

Thanks again all.

 

[pauly7]

Hi all

Can anyone give me a read on F, A & P class availability on these two flights please:

Thursday 16th May 2013 QF127 SYD/HKG
Sunday 19th May 2013 QF128 HKG/SYD


Much appreciated

Is anyone able to assist with this query?

Thanks

 

[daturtle]

Re: y+ to J

Hi There , My enquiry is on the probability of an upgrade on QF 11 tomorrow

Sorry I am still new to trying to understand EE . I am flying out on QF11 tomorrow 7 may was enquiring on the probability of an upgrade from economy to business i am QF Gold. by my calculations there are 20 seats open

[TABLE="width: 780"]
[TR]
[TD]QF 11[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD]SYD

05/07/13 1:05 PM[/TD]
[TD]LAX

05/07/13 9:45 AM[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]388[/TD]
[TD]Unavailable

71% / 45m[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 6"]F0 A0 P0 J5 C6 D5 I4 U0 W9 R9 T5 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9 G0 X9 E0 [/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

How did your request go?

 

[OATEK]

Is anyone able to assist with this query?

Thanks

Thursday 16th May 2013 QF127 SYD/HKG returns this on Flight Stats: F/7 A/6 P/0

Sunday 19th May 2013 QF128 HKG/SYD returns F/9 A/9 P/0

 

[pauly7]

Thursday 16th May 2013 QF127 SYD/HKG returns this on Flight Stats: F/7 A/6 P/0

Sunday 19th May 2013 QF128 HKG/SYD returns F/9 A/9 P/0

Fantastic thank you very much.

Some decent avails there

 

[Isabelt28]

Hello, I'm new to this, so not sure if this is allowed/possible on this site as I've only seen Qantas flights being checked?? I am flying on Cathay flight out of Melbourne CX178 to Hong Kong and then CX257 HKG to LHR... Can anyone check if these flights are very full? I am in PE. Thanks very much for your help

 

[Happy Trails]

Hello, I'm new to this, so not sure if this is allowed/possible on this site as I've only seen Qantas flights being checked?? I am flying on Cathay flight out of Melbourne CX178 to Hong Kong and then CX257 HKG to LHR... Can anyone check if these flights are very full? I am in PE. Thanks very much for your help

Some dates would help.

 

[Isabelt28]

D'oh ! Told you I was new ;o)

12 May at 2340 from Mel

13 May at 1005 from HKG

 

[serfty]

Hello, I'm new to this, so not sure if this is allowed/possible on this site as I've only seen Qantas flights being checked?? ...

Of course it's allowed, it is possible to do this for most airlines.

Some dates would help.

+1

 

[Happy Trails]

D'oh ! Told you I was new ;o)

12 May at 2340 from Mel

13 May at 1005 from HKG

No worries:

CX 1780MEL
12/05/13 23:40HKG
7mJ4 C1 D2 I0 W6 R5 E3 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9L9 V9 S8 N7 Q6 O3



CX 2570HKG
13/05/13 10:05LHR
J5 C4 D4 I2 W7 R5 E4 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9

 

[Isabelt28]

Umm....stupid me again! What on earth do those numbers mean for me, am I likely to be squished to death with other passengers in Premium Economy, or is it possible I will get some space and possibly even some sleep...?