Fly Well. New QF Covid procedures

[drron]

Quite frankly the wearing of masks should be made compulsory because Australians have demonstrated that they don't think of any one else when they have respiratory,So mask wearing will reduce the chance of those people infecting anyone else.

As for Tasmania the official plan has the last planned stage commencing on July 13th.But it says then that the borders will remain closed.

13 July 2020

1. Gatherings: 50 – 100 (indoor/outdoor) with the maximum allowable number to be determined by Public Health.
2. Aged care homes allowed 5 visitors and multiple visits
3. Border controls remain in place.
4. Consider opening bars, night clubs and casinos/gaming.
5. Markets to open, subject to Public Health advice.
6. Food courts and food vans at markets may open.
7. Spas and bathhouses to reopen.
8. Day trips and camping for school groups allowed.
9. Outdoor community sport^ to resume, with numbers to be guided by Public Health.
10. Indoor sport and recreation^, including pools with numbers to be guided by Public Health.
11. Vulnerable people* are encouraged to stay home and protect their health.

http://www.premier.tas.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/535115/Our_Plan_to_Rebuild_a_Stronger_Tasmania.pdf

 

[Pushka]

Maybe there will be more room in the lounges for people who actually bought and paid for a lounge membership, than those who gained it by status chasing [ducks for cover awaiting tirade of responses]

But buying it is much cheaper than earning it.

Post automatically merged: May 19, 2020

Quite frankly the wearing of masks should be made compulsory because Australians have demonstrated that they don't think of any one else when they have respiratory,So mask wearing will reduce the chance of those people infecting anyone else.

As for Tasmania the official plan has the last planned stage commencing on July 13th.But it says then that the borders will remain closed.

13 July 2020

1. • Gatherings: 50 – 100 (indoor/outdoor) with the maximum allowable number to be determined by Public Health.
   • Aged care homes allowed 5 visitors and multiple visits
   • Border controls remain in place.
   • Consider opening bars, night clubs and casinos/gaming.
   • Markets to open, subject to Public Health advice.
   • Food courts and food vans at markets may open.
   • Spas and bathhouses to reopen.
   • Day trips and camping for school groups allowed.
   • Outdoor community sport^ to resume, with numbers to be guided by Public Health.
   • Indoor sport and recreation^, including pools with numbers to be guided by Public Health.
   • Vulnerable people* are encouraged to stay home and protect their health.

http://www.premier.tas.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/535115/Our_Plan_to_Rebuild_a_Stronger_Tasmania.pdf

I'd really like it if people wore masks whenever they had any kind of respirator infection and certainly now. And maybe almost compulsory on a plane.

 

[Kangol]

No argument with your statement.

However, in principle along the way there has been a lack of acknowledgement there is a difference between buying outright a service (that should be guaranteed delivery) as opposed to a granted concessional freebie side benefit.

The point is, buying flights for status is contributing to buying the service and is not a freebie - the consumer just doesn't see the transactions occurring.
Who knows if the person scraping by to get SG is contributing more for lounge access than the person paying for QP.
Then there are tiers within paying for QP and for status. No reason why a long haul J/F traveller would not be contributing more dollars to someone on a discounted QP rate.

Not apples and oranges unfortunately.

 

[p--and--t]

A-ha. I knew it would open a can of worms.

The dollars is not disputed. The direct purchase of a service or membership is at the heart of it.

Corollary: If I look at seats on planes, paid for in cash, all seats are available and take precedence. If I look are "earned" reward seats on planes, they are limited, may or may not be offered, and withdrawn quickly if they can be sold.

The original concept of the Qantas CLUB, was you could buy access to a club that gave you access to a lounge specifically for CLUB members. The concept retained a little bit more faithfully by US airlines but not completely. In AU, it has become totally adulterated over time and the concept of the original club has become a nonsense.

Can you imagine going to your golf club after having paid a large annual membership fee and being told you can't play because lately we are making more money out of the one day visitors fees.

Edit: Anyway I have agitated the hornets nest enough, time for some calming smoke before I get suspended from AFF for not being a true believer LOL

Edit2: Sorry for hijacking your thread @Princess Fiona

 

[RooFlyer]

And REX will require masks on board, at check-in and on bus transfers etc. BYO or have to buy it.

BYO coronavirus face mask or buy one before boarding, says Rex

Regional Express Airlines will require its passengers to buy a face mask at check-in from June 1 unless they bring their own.

In a move designed to protect against the spread of COVID-19, Rex said any passenger without a face mask would be denied boarding unless there was an “exceptional reason”.

As well as on flights, passengers would have to wear masks at check-in counters, boarding gates and during tarmac transfers including bus transfers.

A Rex spokeswoman said the masks would cost just $2

I wonder if higher requirement from Qantas is because of the smaller aircraft, maybe with lesser-performing air-con systems?

 

[wandering_fred]

Will some states still have closed domestic borders at the time the federal government opens the international borders?

Should that be wandering
Fred

 

[flyingfan]

Edit: Anyway I have agitated the hornets nest enough, time for some calming smoke before I get suspended from AFF for not being a true believer LOL

That's always guaranteed to get a response here, exactly like the debates on children flying in F, and whether 20 Y flights a year is more valuable than 1 F

When domestic/international flights resume I wonder if we will see the suspension of lounge access based on status? That might be an effective way to reduce crowding and achieve social distancing.

I wonder too, email didn't hint at this or any guest reductions. If that was on the agenda they could have included it to warn us early, but then maybe they didn't want to start a riot now. Doesn't even mention anything like one in-one out rules.

And it does say Temporary lounge changes (as though other things like social distancing at boarding aren't)... I'm thinking permanent stricter hygiene at the buffets would be a good thing.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I'm thinking permanent stricter hygiene at the buffets would be a good thing.

Until there's a vaccine I dunno how you can still have a buffet? Multiple people touching a pile of plates, using the same tongs and spoons for cheeses, meats, salads, stews etc. There will be problems in the F lounges with meals in the restaurants... I don't think there's capacity for the 4m2 rule to apply with current demand?

 

[jakeseven7]

And REX will require masks on board, at check-in and on bus transfers etc. BYO or have to buy it.

BYO coronavirus face mask or buy one before boarding, says Rex



I wonder if higher requirement from Qantas is because of the smaller aircraft, maybe with lesser-performing air-con systems?

You could just wind down the window on a Rexy pond jumper right

 

[esseeeayeenn]

As Qantas will be filling every seat but not making masks compulsory it will be simply unsafe to fly economy on an A33X and unsafe to fly in any class on a B738.
I don't even want to think about smaller aircraft,

 

[cmon0005]

I am all for safety measures, however masks are not recommended by health dept for healthy people, so I won't be wearing one on board, I disagree with methods that are just "feel good" token measures.

 

[moa999]

however masks are not recommended by health dept for healthy people, so I won't be wearing one on board, I disagree with methods that are just "feel good" token measures.

Different views from global health authorities.

Its not "feel good", even if you are feeling 'healthy' you could be asymptomatic. An infected asymptomatic person wearing a mask has substantially reduced transmission risk.

Personally thinks it's a far better way to require mask usage where social distancing may not possible.
Eg. NSW crazy tick system on buses and trains that has reduced capacity 75-80%. Loads on Monday (so before people actually start going back to work) were already running at 90+% of this capacity.

 

[jakeseven7]

As Qantas will be filling every seat but not making masks compulsory it will be simply unsafe to fly economy on an A33X and unsafe to fly in any class on a B738.
I don't even want to think about smaller aircraft,

So wear a mask yourself if you are worried, problem solved

 

[RooFlyer]

I am all for safety measures, however masks are not recommended by health dept for healthy people, so I won't be wearing one on board, I disagree with methods that are just "feel good" token measures.

How do you know you will be healthy? If you are an asymptomatic carrier, you'll be a spreader without knowing it. Its like saying all the other precautions we are getting used to aren't necessary for healthy people.

Think of it this way - if everyone on a flight wears a mask, then I am better protected in case any of them is a carrier. But if I decide not to wear one 'because I don't have it', then most on the plane will think the effect is destroyed, so why should they wear a mask, and off they all come, including the asymptomatic spreaders.

I wore a mask on my flights within and from Europe in mid February. I was 'sure' I didn't have the virus, but I didn't mind being sure I wasn't going to be typhoid Mary Joe.

 

[Pushka]

If there was no benefit in wearing quality masks in some situations then it seems like the medical profession need a lesson.

 

[jakeseven7]

If there was no benefit in wearing quality masks in some situations then it seems like the medical profession need a lesson.

Oh no, lets not start this off again we will have some recently cremated members back in this thread talking UFO's again

 

[cmon0005]

Th

How do you know you will be healthy? If you are an asymptomatic carrier, you'll be a spreader without knowing it. Its like saying all the other precautions we are getting used to aren't necessary for healthy people.

Think of it this way - if everyone on a flight wears a mask, then I am better protected in case any of them is a carrier. But if I decide not to wear one 'because I don't have it', then most on the plane will think the effect is destroyed, so why should they wear a mask, and off they all come, including the asymptomatic spreaders.

I wore a mask on my flights within and from Europe in mid February. I was 'sure' I didn't have the virus, but I didn't mind being sure I wasn't going to be typhoid Mary Joe.

That may well be the case, all I am saying is I will only in most cases follow official advice, not wearing a cheap flimsy "feel good" mask.
If it becomes health advice or the airline makes it mandatory then of course I will follow those directions.

It's like people you see at the shops wearing gloves but then touching their face with the gloves on, "feel good" psychological measures.

Again, I am not against any measure to prevent this virus, nor am I careless, I am following the best medical advice available in this country at this time.

Official advice re mask usage here: https://www.health.gov.au/sites/def...nformation-on-the-use-of-surgical-masks_0.pdf

 

[Ekka]

Th


That may well be the case, all I am saying is I will only in most cases follow official advice, not wearing a cheap flimsy "feel good" mask.
If it becomes health advice or the airline makes it mandatory then of course I will follow those directions.

It's like people you see at the shops wearing gloves but then touching their face with the gloves on, "feel good" psychological measures.

Again, I am not against any measure to prevent this virus, nor am I careless, I am following the best medical advice available in this country at this time.

Official advice re mask usage here: https://www.health.gov.au/sites/def...nformation-on-the-use-of-surgical-masks_0.pdf

As Professor Murphy, Australia's Chief Medical Officer, has stated ad nauseam, a mask (unless it's N95) is unlikely to be any protection at all for an uninfected person, only for the prevention of an infected person spreading the disease to those uninfected. In other words, if you haven't got it you rely on those around you to prevent your getting it.

It's an interesting point, really. On an aircraft you may know you're not infected because you've been at home for a month, so there is no point in your wearing a mask, but those nearby may well be infected and they're not wearing masks..
What to do?

 

[p--and--t]

It's an interesting point, really. On an aircraft you may know you're not infected because you've been at home for a month, so there is no point in your wearing a mask, but those nearby may well be infected and they're not wearing masks..
What to do?

Unless you got infected in the taxi/uber/train or at the airport baggage/check-in/security/lounge before boarding the flight. However, whether you are infectious in such a short period of time is a moot point.

 

[drron]

The whole point of wearing a mask on planes,busses etc is not to prevent yourself getting an infection but to prevent an infected person from passing it on to all contacts.As some infected persons, particularly if young, may not have symptoms mask wearing during a pandemic should be encouraged as long as there is an adequate supply of masks.Australia at first did not have enough masks.
If Australians were more like some of our Asian neighbours compulsion would not be needed as most who have symptoms will wear a mask and as soon as a pandemic occurs the rest of the population soon take it up.