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Off on my first Domestic flight with AirNZ tomorrow- looks like they somehow find it feasible to keep the middle seat free. One thing is clear once I can book trans-Tasman again: If Qantas serves you a tiny boxed meal in J and has you sit next to some stranger even in Business on the 737s but Air NZ keeps the middle free in Economy, why would I book Qantas? It will be cheaper (and safer even) to just fly in Economy with the competition.
Um, because AirNZ are being underwritten by the NZ Gov to do this....
I doubt the AU government are going to support QF and VA2 (if it survives) to do this.
That may well be the case, all I am saying is I will only in most cases follow official advice, not wearing a cheap flimsy "feel good" mask.
As Professor Murphy, Australia's Chief Medical Officer, has stated ad nauseam, a mask (unless it's N95) is unlikely to be any protection at all for an uninfected person, only for the prevention of an infected person spreading the disease to those uninfected. In other words, if you haven't got it you rely on those around you to prevent your getting it.
YOu seem to make a rather telling implicit assumption that I only care about my own health.So wear a mask yourself if you are worried, problem solved
Many papers are not peer reviewed and are being rushed out to help other scientists put pieces into the puzzle.
But getting back to risk, the average infected person infects 1-4 others. There are not a lot of Infected covid people in the Aus / NZ community, so the risk of getting infected in this setting is low. How much is the risk reduced in this situation by CORRECTLY wearing a face mask?
This is a bit long but I am trying to look at risks vs costs vs behaviour
I don't remember being told any of that?I remember when HIV/Aids hit the world. We were told no contact sport, aids patients were locked in quarantine, aids children were not allowed to attend school.
For those who are afraid to fly without social distancing and mandatory masks, the best solution is - don’t. Stay home. Those of us rational people who are prepared to accept the minuscule chance of catching a virus can get on with life and see if we can save what is left of our economy.
They will be peer-reviewed, but are released early in 'pre-print' to get it out quicker. Those reading/using take the appropriate caution.
Well, maybe we can absorb a simple lesson on how to correctly wear a mask - maybe include in the safety briefing. Yes, the risk is low, but the consequences of that low-risk occurrence are pretty substantial. How about also looking at the tiny inconvenience Vs social good? Selfish behavior Vs acting in the common good?
I don't remember being told any of that?
Again! Its not about the minuscule risk of catching it (I agree) , its mitigating the low risk of spreading it, and not just on a plane. Can rational people appreciate the difference? Can rational people act for a common good and not just what suits them?
Again! Its not about the minuscule risk of catching it (I agree) , its mitigating the low risk of spreading it, and not just on a plane. Can rational people appreciate the difference? Can rational people act for a common good and not just what suits them?
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As a final note, I remember when HIV/Aids hit the world. We were told no contact sport, aids patients were locked in quarantine, aids children were not allowed to attend school. Better understanding of risk and the disease, with new medication have changed the way we dealt with that disease.
Spot on.NSW has admitted they have done no studies on the health risks of lockdown.The other States have probably not given any thought to it.It is not just Mental Health. There will be many more premature cancer deaths over the next few years.One of the major causes of a bad result with cancer is a delayed diagnosis.There will be many delayed diagnoses.I think of myself as a very rational person - that is exactly the reason why I understand risk management. Life is full of risks and unintended consequences.
When very respected institutions such as the Sydney Brain and Mind Centre clearly say that Australia will have significantly more death from mental health related issues due to the economic downturn than from COVID-19, my logic priority is to open up the economy up as soon as possible. This includes keeping airfaires reasonable (no free middle seat) and no disincentive to fly (mandatory masks).
Certainly the "blood rule" in sport is a result of HIV/AIDS but I don't remember any edicts banning contact sport.
What type of masks?
Basic paper ones that look pretty and hide ugly faces? Or effective ones such as N95/P2?
Will there be guidance on how to wear them properly and disposal bins? Or will they be dumped on the seat when people disembark?
So plenty of excuses to cut a few dollars while avoiding anything that could really cost them- like keeping the middle seat free. Free dirt cheap face masks and hand sanitizers? Even small retail shops are doing better.
I think of myself as a very rational person - that is exactly the reason why I understand risk management. Life is full of risks and unintended consequences.
When very respected institutions such as the Sydney Brain and Mind Centre clearly say that Australia will have significantly more death from mental health related issues due to the economic downturn than from COVID-19, my logic priority is to open up the economy up as soon as possible. This includes keeping airfaires reasonable (no free middle seat) and no disincentive to fly (mandatory masks).
The best precaution would be a COVID19 test (or two) before travel.
If we can be reasonably certain no one on the aircraft is infected, then precautions on board could be relaxed.
This should become the norm for international travel.
PAX could be required to check in a day (or two) before the flight and undergo a test (or two). Airport hotels could be used to accommodate them while they wait for test results. Then only passengers free of the virus would be allowed to embark.
I know testing isn't perfect (hence the "or two"s), but nothing is!