Freedom of speech

[amaroo]

Can’t help myself.

Heard this today Thought of you...

 

[marki]

Tough love sjk at least it’s not an out of place smiley face!

 

[Renato1]

I found this Mark Dice video on Free Speech very interesting, where it transpires that quoting the Bible or Mother Theresa on Twitter is now hate speech, and that Australian Avi Yemini got banned from Facebook, after his expose showing Australian comedian Jim Jeffries' highly deceptive editing his of interview with Yemini (where Yemeni's responses were put to different questions that had been asked - showing Yemini as a bad character, as opposed to the rational responses he'd actually made to the questions)

Regards,
Renato

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I found this Mark Dice video on Free Speech very interesting, where it transpires that quoting the Bible or Mother Theresa on Twitter is now hate speech, and that Australian Avi Yemini got banned from Facebook, after his expose showing Australian comedian Jim Jeffries' highly deceptive editing his of interview with Yemini (where Yemeni's responses were put to different questions that had been asked - showing Yemini as a bad character, as opposed to the rational responses he'd actually made to the questions)

Regards,
Renato

Mark Dice who believes Katy Perry is satanic, that super bowl half-time shows are illuminati rituals, and that the terror attacks of 9-11 were done by the american government?

 

[Renato1]

Mark Dice who believes Katy Perry is satanic, that super bowl half-time shows are illuminati rituals, and that the terror attacks of 9-11 were done by the american government?

Beats me about that.

Though I know he was suspended from Twitter for his extreme right wing and offensive view - that there are only two genders. And that he has numerous hilarious clips of him interviewing Americans about who is Washington DC named after, which country did America gain independence from, that the Trump sons were shooting the endanged Triceratops etc.

But his clip of Ted Cruz is genuine, as is his screen shot of Yemeni - or do you dispute them?
Or do you accept the contention of his MSNBC clip that conservatives aren't really having their free speech censored, but rather that they are just stupid and don't know how to use their browsers?
Regards,
Renato

 

[marki]

Mark Dice who believes Katy Perry is satanic, that super bowl half-time shows are illuminati rituals, and that the terror attacks of 9-11 were done by the american government?

Interesting ....Mark Dice does have a loaded background. But so does RT ( Russia TV) and Al Jazerra we have to be careful ourselves what to pick as incorrect / correct. Does not mean we ignore everything. Half the time these people want us to ignore stuff so it becomes second nature to dismiss the truth.

 

[dajop]

Interesting ....Mark Dice does have a loaded background. But so does RT ( Russia TV) and Al Jazerra we have to be careful ourselves what to pick as incorrect / correct. Does not mean we ignore everything. Half the time these people want us to ignore stuff so it becomes second nature to dismiss the truth.

I think the key is to question everything, and accept nothing as absolute truth. This is whether it is something that supports your viewpoint, or something that is diametrically opposed to it. I do hope our educators are educating the next generation in the realities of both social and traditional media.

 

[Renato1]

And the attack on Freedom of Speech continues by Silicon Valley at the ongoing urging of CNN (who ironically won the coveted First Amendment Award for protecting free speech), with Facebook blocking at least two of Trump's most effective and vocal supporters.

I guess Paul Jospeh Watson's last video on the plans to destroy Notre Dame Cathedral with modern architecture must have been the tipping point for him.
Regards,
Renato

 

[theblank]

Court and Folau don't have to ask people to follow their views.

they dont ask anyone to follow their views. These are not their views, they are the views of Jesus Christ.

Now on the other hand, those who want to shut down Court and Foloau, are indeed imposing their views.

They have celebrity status and some people will pay attention to their views regardless of being asked or not. That's where they need to apply a little bit of responsibility.

Completely untrue. Those expressing outrage are not being influenced at all, they are simply expressing outrage for the sake of it. If you dont like what a guy writes on his twitter feed, dont follow him, or what Margaret Court states in private company, then dont chase her down.

Mr Folau is expressing his interpretation of christianity.

incorrect, he is expressing christianity 101. ALL are sinners, and to repent and be saved.

13 million christian Australians do not believe that homosexuals are evil and should rot in hell.

wrong, its 13,000,001 christians that dont beleive that, becuase you forgot to include Israel Folau who does not beleive that either. If you take a chance to read Folau's statememt where he explains further you would know that he beleives he is also a sinner, and so is everyone else, equally, no exceptions. But I guess that not going to suit you to understand him fully.

You are expressing your interpretation of christianity here, and you are wrong.

The only reason to include them on the list (homosexuality in particular) is to generate publicity.

wrong, its a direct quote from the bible, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 albeit paraphrased but the meaning is not changed at all. This whole issue is about the H word, and if it wasnt there nobody would have cared. But thats the point, the social justice warriors want this word deleted from a history book and Israel folou is the pawn in their game.



[code] 1Cor6:9-11 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And ysuch were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.[/code]


p.s. sorry for late reply - i was on a frequent flyer holiday.

 

[dajop]

they dont ask anyone to follow their views. These are not their views, they are the views of Jesus Christ.

Perhaps to be accurate, they are the translated version of someone else's interpretation (probably of someone else's intrepretation) of Jesus Christ's views.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

they dont ask anyone to follow their views. These are not their views, they are the views of Jesus Christ.

Now on the other hand, those who want to shut down Court and Foloau, are indeed imposing their views.


Completely untrue. Those expressing outrage are not being influenced at all, they are simply expressing outrage for the sake of it. If you dont like what a guy writes on his twitter feed, dont follow him, or what Margaret Court states in private company, then dont chase her down.




incorrect, he is expressing christianity 101. ALL are sinners, and to repent and be saved.



wrong, its 13,000,001 christians that dont beleive that, becuase you forgot to include Israel Folau who does not beleive that either. If you take a chance to read Folau's statememt where he explains further you would know that he beleives he is also a sinner, and so is everyone else, equally, no exceptions. But I guess that not going to suit you to understand him fully.

You are expressing your interpretation of christianity here, and you are wrong.




wrong, its a direct quote from the bible, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 albeit paraphrased but the meaning is not changed at all. This whole issue is about the H word, and if it wasnt there nobody would have cared. But thats the point, the social justice warriors want this word deleted from a history book and Israel folou is the pawn in their game.



[code] 1Cor6:9-11 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And ysuch were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.[/code]


p.s. sorry for late reply - i was on a frequent flyer holiday.

I do not believe that warriors trying to prevent youth suicide are taking issue with Folau’s views ‘just for the sake of it’.

Homosexuality, unlike all the other things on the list, is not a choice. Times have changed, thanks to science.

It is not that those directly affected can choose not to follow Folau. It is those that DO choose to follow that can potentially cause the harm. They can use Folau’s views as a basis to discriminate, vilify or bully those who are vulnerable.

 

[JohnK]

they dont ask anyone to follow their views. These are not their views, they are the views of Jesus Christ.

Now on the other hand, those who want to shut down Court and Foloau, are indeed imposing their views.

I still don't understand this whole debate.

Israel Folau is expressing his view of Christianity which I do not agree with as apart from quoting some passages from the Bible is actually offending me and my Christian beliefs.

I listened to his sermon. He's not a very confident speaker

- He denounces Virgin Mary and icons as idol worship and neither of those is true
- He denounces baptism

I didn't bother to listen to the rest but he should be allowed to preach what he believes.

Please remember that different people are offended by different things and you'll never please everyone. We're not drones and we're certainly not the Borg. Don't like what he said then just ignore him. Trying to impose your own views on on how he should act and behave is no different to what you're accusing him of doing.

P.S @theblank this is not aimed at you specifically. Just quoted your post.

 

[p--and--t]

Perhaps to be accurate, they are the translated version of someone else's interpretation (probably of someone else's intrepretation) of Jesus Christ's views.

You left out the bit where they are actually just the opinions of people who were not there at the time of the alleged statements, did not meet or know any of the people who were there at the time and decided to write down some stuff they may or may not have heard from someone up to some 200 years after it was alleged some of this stuff, or something like it, may have been said by someone at the time.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

You left out the bit where they are actually just the opinions of people who were not there at the time of the alleged statements, did not meet or know any of the people who were there at the time and decided to write down some stuff they may or may not have heard from someone up to some 200 years after it was alleged some of this stuff, or something like it, may have been said by someone at the time.

Yes, minister!

 

[p--and--t]

wrong, its a direct quote from the bible, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 albeit paraphrased but the meaning is not changed at all. This whole issue is about the H word, and if it wasnt there nobody would have cared. But thats the point, the social justice warriors want this word deleted from a history book and Israel folou is the pawn in their game.



[code] 1Cor6:9-11 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And ysuch were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.[/code]


p.s. sorry for late reply - i was on a frequent flyer holiday.
[/QUOTE]

According to wikipedia (which can often be inaccurate), Corinthians was allegedly written in AD53-57 some 20years or so after the death of JC.

The first major translation and one of the more common versions of the bible was carried out in the term of King James I and published in 1611.

The first recorded (so far) coining of the term "homosexuality" was in 1892 and didn't come into common use until after 1906

Not sure how Paul would have come to use the word in his letters in AD53??

Could your "quote" actually just be someone else's mere interpretation of an imperfect translation of what he/she thought Paul might have meant when he wrote the letters some 2000 years later.

Just a idle thought of mine.

 

[Cossie]

I don't see it as freedom of speech, as far as my understanding of this is that he willingly signed a binding contract and I'm fairly sure he would have been told of the dire repercussions of breaking said contract.

Which just adds to my thoughts that he wants out of that contract.

 

[love_the_life]

I don't see it as freedom of speech, as far as my understanding of this is that he willingly signed a binding contract and I'm fairly sure he would have been told of the dire repercussions of breaking said contract.

Which just adds to my thoughts that he wants out of that contract.

And the bit that will annoy the heck out of me is that his lawyers have indicated they will appeal - ie make all the money you can out of it. That's not standing up for your beliefs, it's just being greedy IMO.

 

[drron]

I don't see it as freedom of speech, as far as my understanding of this is that he willingly signed a binding contract and I'm fairly sure he would have been told of the dire repercussions of breaking said contract.

Which just adds to my thoughts that he wants out of that contract.

Except that the Social media Code of Conduct was not in his signed contract.He was later sent a letter regarding the Social Media Terms but he refused to sign it.Nevertheless for a considerable amount of time Rugby Australia turned a blind eye and kept selecting him.
Basically this has come about because of pressure from a major sponsor.
Besides under the Fair Work Act a person can not be discriminated against because of his religion.
A former senior Fair Work Commissioner is on record as saying Rugby Australia would lose in the FWC if Israel Folau made a complaint.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

In the 12 pages of this thread so far, no one has agreed with the contents of Folau's comments (that 'hell awaits' homosexuals).

Everyone accepts that comments like this, once they get disseminated, can have a profound impact on vulnerable people - either for their own self esteem, or be used by homophobics as the catalyst for bullying, villification or discrimination.

No one has argued his comments are beneficial, in the public interest, or accurate.

So what exactly is the argument in favour of broadcasting these types of comments?

 

[rock86]

Except that the Social media Code of Conduct was not in his signed contract.He was later sent a letter regarding the Social Media Terms but he refused to sign it.Nevertheless for a considerable amount of time Rugby Australia turned a blind eye and kept selecting him.

The Social Media policy is included in a standard Code of Conduct that the players agree to upon executing their employment contract - similar to I assume the majority on here.

The 'additional clause' you are referring to was more specific, but this story now sounds like it was false anyhow and the 'source' the media used weren't exactly on point.

Basically this has come about because of pressure from a major sponsor.

Considering he's been dropped from personal sponsorship endorsement deals now as well goes to show these views by sponsors to both RA & the individual is not specific to Qantas whom you are referring to.

Besides under the Fair Work Act a person can not be discriminated against because of his religion.
A former senior Fair Work Commissioner is on record as saying Rugby Australia would lose in the FWC if Israel Folau made a complaint.

He's not being discriminated against based on his religion though, If that was the case why haven't all the other Polynesian players who constantly post about their religion, beliefs and love of god being referred to Code of Conduct hearings? Because when they post these on their social they do not denigrate particular groups of society like Folau has now down on numerous occasions.