Freedom of speech

[drron]

Interesting strategy to release this letter to the media while complaining that RA may be leaking to the media, hypocrisy much!

Though what was leaked by RA was a closed and private Tribunal hearing.The letter is not a confidential letter so absolutely no hypocrisy.

The major point is Folau is claiming that RA did not give him explicit guidelines for what he could post on social media so the basis of their actions is on shaky grounds.

 

[pauly7]

As an adjunct... Most major corporations have social media policies in place for their employees, certainly my last three statutory employers have and most of the businesses that I consult with as well.

I know of people that have been formally warned for contravening these policies, but none fired (yet) I wonder how many ‘strikes’ this guy already had before his contract was terminated?

 

[dxwell]

I have only caught up on this thread - lots of hot air. I want to make sure that we have a clear answer for something raised very early in the thread:

So if I ticked 7 of the 8 boxes

I'd like to think that there exists:
1. A pious heaven for those inclined.
2. A heavenly disco for those inclined
3. Eternal peace and quiet for those who cared for neither 1 or 2.

 

[burmans]

Though what was leaked by RA was a closed and private Tribunal hearing.The letter is not a confidential letter so absolutely no hypocrisy.

The major point is Folau is claiming that RA did not give him explicit guidelines for what he could post on social media so the basis of their actions is on shaky grounds.

Quite how they would know I don’t know but all the press are claiming it was a confidential letter. Are you in possession of information the rest of us don’t have?

 

[amaroo]

Quite how they would know I don’t know but all the press are claiming it was a confidential letter. Are you in possession of information the rest of us don’t have?

Looks like the press was wrong - wouldn't be the first time!

Given it's his letter - he can do what he wants with it....

 

[burmans]

Looks like the press was wrong - wouldn't be the first time!

Given it's his letter - he can do what he wants with it....

I don’t deny he can do what he wants but if he marked it as confidential it’s still hypocritical.

 

[amaroo]

I don’t deny he can do what he wants but if he marked it as confidential it’s still hypocritical.

Why? It's a letter that outlines and supports his case.... unlike the kangaroo court that he was forced to endure.

 

[theblank]

I don’t deny he can do what he wants but if he marked it as confidential it’s still hypocritical.

he didnt mark it as confidential, and there has been no source named how this letter came to be in the possession of the Daily Telegraph who published it.

So there is no basis for accusing Folau of hypocrisy at all.

 

[burmans]

he didnt mark it as confidential, and there has been no source named how this letter came to be in the possession of the Daily Telegraph who published it.

So there is no basis for accusing Folau of hypocrisy at all.

So someone else who has inside info that it's not confidential, and the evidence you actually know this is?

As for how the Daily Telegraph got it, let's not be naive. He's employed a team to manage his press profile, the most likely source of the leak is his own side.

 

[drron]

Well the whole letter is in this thread.I can't see where it is marked confidential.And my source wasn't News.

PS-by the way the obvious point of the letter is to answer misleading leaks from RA as is stated in the letter.Why on earth would he make it confidential?Doesn't pass the sniff test.

 

[theblank]

So someone else who has inside info that it's not confidential, and the evidence you actually know this is?

You can easily see the letter online, nowhere does it say "confidential", thus, its not.

As for how the Daily Telegraph got it, let's not be naive. He's employed a team to manage his press profile, the most likely source of the leak is his own side.

thats the best you have got, that its 'likely his own side' which doesnt mean he did it.

You dont have to draw such long bows to make out Israel Folau to be a villain. Raelene Castle and her boss Alan Joyce have already done that.

 

[iRobbo]

I had seen the letter on a newsfeed as the story ‘broke’ with ‘Commercial in Confidence’ on it. Appears to be missing from most Aus sites, but the NZ Herald has the letter with that stated in top right corner and also ‘Private and Confidential ‘ above the date. Have no idea which one is correct.

 

[drron]

As predicted Assange will almost certainly be extradited to the US.The UK Home Secretary has signed the extradition order and the hearing will be on Friday.

UK home secretary favours Assange extradition on US warrant

LONDON — British Home Secretary Sajid Javid says he has signed an extradition order that would send imprisoned WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange to the United States if British courts favour the move. Javid told BBC radio Thursday courts will decide whether Assange must face espionage charges in...

www.citynews1130.com

 

[burmans]

I had seen the letter on a newsfeed as the story ‘broke’ with ‘Commercial in Confidence’ on it. Appears to be missing from most Aus sites, but the NZ Herald has the letter with that stated in top right corner and also ‘Private and Confidential ‘ above the date. Have no idea which one is correct.

Ah you shouldn't let facts get in the way of a good story, clearly noone else here does.

 

[drron]

Ah you shouldn't let facts get in the way of a good story, clearly noone else here does.

As I said previously why would Foloau make the letter Confidential when he was trying to refute the statements leaked by RA.Just doesn't make sense.Any body could have added those.

 

[Isochronous]

Interesting strategy to release this letter to the media while complaining that RA may be leaking to the media, hypocrisy much!

Israel is more than entitled to defend himself and fight back against the institutionalised rubbish that he has been subjected to by the clowns at RA. RA promised him a confidential process but RA has then leaked details of that to vilify Israel and cover their own backsides; this is a means for Israel to highlight the duplicity of those who have vilified him. Hopefully he sues RA into insolvency. As matters stand, the inept Raelene Castle has managed to make an even bigger mess of RA than she did of the Canterbury Bulldogs.

 

[p--and--t]

As predicted Assange will almost certainly be extradited to the US.The UK Home Secretary has signed the extradition order and the hearing will be on Friday.

UK home secretary favours Assange extradition on US warrant

LONDON — British Home Secretary Sajid Javid says he has signed an extradition order that would send imprisoned WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange to the United States if British courts favour the move. Javid told BBC radio Thursday courts will decide whether Assange must face espionage charges in...

www.citynews1130.com

Certainly not signed sealed and delivered. The first court hearing is not scheduled until Feb 2020 and lots of legal argument before he gets an escorted journey to Trumpland

 

[burmans]

As I said previously why would Foloau make the letter Confidential when he was trying to refute the statements leaked by RA.Just doesn't make sense.Any body could have added those.

So are you suggesting that Miranda Devine and News websites are all part of this consiparcy to change the letters. Because the Private and Confidential part of the letters are posted in both of their sites.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1137264472882417664

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www.dailytelegraph.com.au

As for the argument that it doesnt make sense, this assumes it needs to. Only rational people behave rationally, given our mental wards are full of people who claim to talk to (or be) God this has yet to be proven about Israel. But here's a starter for ten as why he might want to do this, he clearly feels that he is losing the media battle, what better way to get back on the front foot than to look for a friendly media company to get your side of the story out to the public. I suspect it was no accident that News sites and journalists were first to publish this.

 

[drron]

It makes sense to me.I don't believe Folau is irrational.He does have beliefs that I and obviously you don't share but that is not a sign of being irrational.
And why Commercial in Confidence?The only commercial part is telling them he has lodged a case with Fair Work.That is public knowledge.

 

[burmans]

You would need to ask Israel (or probably his lawyers) as to why this was Commercial In Confidence! But would suggest lawyers tend to put this on anything just in case.

The fact that you are unable to understand why they would have done this is no real argument that they didn't do it, it just means you don't understand.