General Coronavirus chit chat thread - non-travel specific

[ethernet]

I have a hard time imagining how patents apply to tarted up 50 year old models. The premium paid now is reliability and approval. Somebody will come up with a raspberry Pi solution - all controls and screen via a mobile phone, use RC model plane servos on the tubes, and a modified hairdryer with top quality ball bearings, and not quite right oxygen approved fittings. And a self destruct patent, so that after so many hours or so many servo movements, the unit stops working so you buy a new one. Oh and hobbyist grade sensors.
Standards and approvals Vs 1000's of certain deaths.

Be that so ventilators, are not the magic bullet, as covid has been to make patients lungs stiffen, hand the heart failing to pump - and I think the doctors don't know why yet. There are not enough heart/lung machines to go around (Billionaire's , and those who have a Hospital wing named after them - exempted) so if you are over 60 in Italy you get the take your chances model. Some crash is as little as 24 hours - so maybe ventilator BS is a feel good solution.

Undoubtedly someone is doing deep lung pathology analysis on dead people and antibiotic vitro testing. Nobody seems to the shouting the findings, but we do know Italy has a high level of hospital pathogen nasties, while the death rate in Germany seems to be about 1/20th ! Need to ask why, but it is a relief Australia is doing pretty good so far. But as Germany is still the best - they better find out what they are doing right.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

There are several different ventilators many of which would be protected by patent so to get industries that haven't made ventilators before up and going you would need a new,simple design.

Or the Government can issue special orders to circumvent the patent restrictions.

 

[mrsterryn]

Random things you need
My glasses aren't sitting right
Normal - go to Westfield's go to optometrist and get corrected
Now - toughen up Princess
Psst I have a couple

 

[lovetravellingoz]

. But as Germany is still the best - they better find out what they are doing right.

The main thing is to have those that need ventilators and oxygen still at the level where you have the equipment and staff to treat people.

Germany still can Italy cannot. All the countries with high quality care where they hospitals have not been overwhelmed with critical patients have much lower mortality rates Australia included.

And as we know where it was worst in Italy they had:
- One of the oldest populations in the world
- a high comorbidity rate
- an an air prone to bad air pollution.


PS: The Case rate mortality rate is a highly rubbery figures as you are comparing apples with oranges due to how each country defines them and the massively different testing regime from country to country.

 

[tgh]

...
To add to the drift , patents have to be maintained, ( paid ..$$$$) otherwise they become worthless… been there done that..
They are pretty useless when valid anyway as a big fish can come along, pinch the idea, and say... so sue us , we have deep pockets...
Once something is patented and the patent has expired, it cannot be re-patented.
Summary : Original art can be copied and used as long as the patent has expired in the relevant country

 

[ethernet]

Agree tgh. But add the words ever greening, cost of challenges, derivatives and cross-licencing to lock others out. For Corona TGA approval or similar - such delays will cost lives for time sensitive rockets such as Corona.

Saving lives. Taiwan is in a good position because it did not dismantle temperature screening at airports and keep the C&C centre that publishes the curve real time. Morrison dismisses all moves to put the data on the table - at all, not even old numbers, so past decisions cannot be scrutinised. Nor publish deaths by age numbers openly. Lots and lots of temperature checks - everywhere - will probably occur in stage 3.

Flatten the curve and save likes with temperature checks - should have been done ages ago. I suggest the state govts are scared of the cost of footing the bill for more hotel isolation rooms.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Nor publish deaths by age numbers openly.

I am not sure why you are claiming this as every Australian CV 19 death report I have read has stated the age.

ie


The Dorothy Henderson Lodge cluster

Four NSW Covid-19 deaths were elderly residents of the Dorothy Henderson Lodge aged care facility in Macquarie Park. A 95-year-old woman died on 3 March, followed by an 82-year-old man on 9 March, a 90-year-old woman on 14 March and a 91-year-old woman on 28 March.

Australia’s coronavirus victims: Covid-19 related deaths across the country

As the number of cases rises, so does the number of those who have died. Here is a state-by-state list of virus-related fatalities

www.theguardian.com

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Flatten the curve and save likes with temperature checks - should have been done ages ago. I suggest the state govts are scared of the cost of footing the bill for more hotel isolation rooms.

Reading the medical experts on temperature checking for CV 19 as a public screening tool one rapidly sees that they have little faith in it actually having any accuracy. It is wildly inaccurate, is easily cheated and can easily have positive cases waved through.

 

[get me outta here]

Lucky Peta Credlin convinced the PM to change the 30 min at the hairdressers rule. It didn’t suit her obviously according to The Aus.

 

[mrsterryn]

What happens to criminal matters ?
Prosecution ?
Releases ?
Parole ?
General appeals of decisions ?
For example DVA or Centrelink decisions ?
Just wondering

 

[Pushka]

Lucky Peta Credlin convinced the PM to change the 30 min at the hairdressers rule. It didn’t suit her obviously according to The Aus.

Well, in reality she isn't the only one who thought that.

 

[Bundy Bear]

Lucky Peta Credlin convinced the PM to change the 30 min at the hairdressers rule. It didn’t suit her obviously according to The Aus.

Not sure if I posted this yet

 

[Flying mermaid]

Mr FM did his weekly shop at the Farmers Market this morning. It was being well controlled. Only 1 entrance in, sanitiser available and all seats taken away. Numbers being counted as well.

Stalls are preparing in case of a shut down

Our egg man was taking emails so he can still organise to sell
Fish people are planning to bring a truck up and sell to usual customers, just as they do with lobsters at Christmas
Our organic spinach and carrot etc stall was talking about running a delivery service.

Cheese man isn’t coming anymore as his wife is too worried about his safety. We bought one last hunk of Parmesan which should get us through a few months (does this count as panic buying?). I use my Thermomix to grate it. We seem to use a lot - sprinkle over soup, in risottos, cheese scrolls, cheese muffins etc.

 

[mrsterryn]

That Parmesan yummmm

 

[p--and--t]

What happens to criminal matters ?
Prosecution ?
Releases ?
Parole ?
General appeals of decisions ?
For example DVA or Centrelink decisions ?
Just wondering

The VCAT in Victoria closed until at least April 17th (no tenancy reviews, complaints, small claims etc) except for matters determined both urgent and "Essential services". All matters dealt with during the interim will only be via telephone.

 

[mrsterryn]

The VCAT in Victoria closed until at least April 17th (no tenancy reviews, complaints, small claims etc) except for matters determined both urgent and "Essential services". All matters dealt with during the interim will only be via telephone.

So no evictions? Even non covid ones ?

 

[Austman]

Nor publish deaths by age numbers openly.

All published every day here:

Charting the COVID-19 spread: Australia passes 10,000 coronavirus deaths

Australia has officially recorded more than 10,000 COVID deaths in total, with 4,000 of those recorded in Victoria. Here's what the latest data shows.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Austman]

VCAT is still operational, but:

No face-to-face hearings are scheduled, and all non-critical cases listed up to and including 17 April 2020 will be adjourned for the foreseeable future. Residential Tenancies and Guardianship matters (and a small number of other critical matters) are being heard by telephone.

We are working hard to expand the range of matters that can be heard by telephone as soon as possible.

VCAT coronavirus (COVID-19) division response | VCAT

In response to the COVID-19 pandemic, VCAT paused all face-to-face hearings, including those in the Planning and Environment Division...

www.vcat.vic.gov.au

 

[p--and--t]

So no evictions? Even non covid ones ?

I found the site, no non-urgent matters will be considered. I think the Apr 17th date is likely to be moved out.

VCAT coronavirus (COVID-19) division response | VCAT

In response to the COVID-19 pandemic, VCAT paused all face-to-face hearings, including those in the Planning and Environment Division...

www.vcat.vic.gov.au

 

[Flying mermaid]

So no evictions? Even non covid ones ?

A friend of mine was worried about this yesterday. He has a tenant who has given him problems for years. He is currently $5,000 in arrears and my friend has been going through the process to evict him. He has already given him one notice and now can actually evict him, so was rushing off yesterday to get the eviction notice before things change and he wasn’t able to.