General COVID-19 Vaccine Discussion

[drron]

Cuba has started vaccinating 2-11 year olds using it's own vaccines which have not been authorised by the WHO.

While other countries have said they will eventually vaccinate children, Cuba is believed to be the first to give COVID-19 vaccines to toddlers. In September, it declared that its homegrown vaccines were safe to give to young children.
Throughout the pandemic, most in-person classes have been suspended on the island. Instead of going to school, children watch educational programming on television for hours each day. Home internet remains a rarity in the communist-run nation.

Cuba has largely focused on developing its own vaccines, rather than depend on other countries for the medications. Local scientists say the Cuban-made vaccines are safe and effective, but so far have provided little data to outside observers. The government has said it will seek WHO approval for its vaccines.

Cuba begins vaccinating children as young as two for COVID-19

The Cuban government has begun to vaccinate children as young as two years old for COVID-19, the island's state media reported, in a bid to get kids back into classrooms.

www.ctvnews.ca

I would definitely wait until the trials are out.The evidence is that young children do have less severe disease and side effects such as long covid are rare.

COVID-19 and vaccination in children - InSight+

We need a pause for thoughtful discussion until the data from millions of US vaccinations of children come in, write Robert Booy and Russell Viner

insightplus.mja.com.au

Post-acute COVID-19 outcomes in children with mild and asymptomatic disease

Data on the clinical outcomes of children with COVID-19 are scarce, particularly in those with asymptomatic and mild disease.1,2 Studies involving adults suggest that long-term multisystem sequelae and complications can occur, even with mild COVID-19.3 We aimed to describe medium-term clinical...

www.thelancet.com

How does Delta affect children? And what about long COVID? - The Big Smoke

With school set to return alongside COVID, a paediatrician looks at what happens if your child crosses the Delta variant.

www.thebigsmoke.com.au

 

[Pushka]

Cuba has started vaccinating 2-11 year olds using it's own vaccines which have not been authorised by the WHO.

Cuba begins vaccinating children as young as two for COVID-19

The Cuban government has begun to vaccinate children as young as two years old for COVID-19, the island's state media reported, in a bid to get kids back into classrooms.

www.ctvnews.ca

I would definitely wait until the trials are out.The evidence is that young children do have less severe disease and side effects such as long covid are rare.

COVID-19 and vaccination in children - InSight+

We need a pause for thoughtful discussion until the data from millions of US vaccinations of children come in, write Robert Booy and Russell Viner

insightplus.mja.com.au

Post-acute COVID-19 outcomes in children with mild and asymptomatic disease

Data on the clinical outcomes of children with COVID-19 are scarce, particularly in those with asymptomatic and mild disease.1,2 Studies involving adults suggest that long-term multisystem sequelae and complications can occur, even with mild COVID-19.3 We aimed to describe medium-term clinical...

www.thelancet.com

How does Delta affect children? And what about long COVID? - The Big Smoke

With school set to return alongside COVID, a paediatrician looks at what happens if your child crosses the Delta variant.

www.thebigsmoke.com.au

I do know that parents of young children are concerned that their children will be exposed when we open up. Unfortunately the media plays up numbers of positives in children but not whether they children are adversely impacted or just positive. Even to the extent they are putting off travel when it's allowed.

 

[Lat34]

I do know that parents of young children are concerned that their children will be exposed when we open up. Unfortunately the media plays up numbers of positives in children but not whether they children are adversely impacted or just positive. Even to the extent they are putting off travel when it's allowed.

Sounds like the media looking for something else to breathlessly sensationalise now Astraphobia hysteria is (hopefully) running out of puff

 

[JB expat]

I just have access to the headline and first paragraph but another advantage of AZ on a high level. Of course it will depend on your destination(s)

Which covid-19 vaccine is the most widely accepted for international travel?

A patchwork of complicated cross-border travel rules is causing confusion

www.economist.com

 

[OATEK]

I just have access to the headline and first paragraph but another advantage of AZ on a high level. Of course it will depend on your destination(s)

Which covid-19 vaccine is the most widely accepted for international travel?

A patchwork of complicated cross-border travel rules is causing confusion

www.economist.com

Lasts longer and accepted in more places - happy with that!

 

[jakeseven7]

Lasts longer and accepted in more places - happy with that!

How things come in full circles hey

 

[Jmrocky]

Lasts longer and accepted in more places - happy with that!

Lasts longer?

Both drop in efficacy, Pfizer still higher against Delta though after 6 months.

 

[drron]

Lasts longer?

Both drop in efficacy, Pfizer still higher against Delta though after 6 months.

No it's not.I have previously posyted the study that shows the efficacy against delta by the Pfizer vaccine declines and by 6 months the AZ vaccine has greater efficacy.
But here is another report of the drop in the effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine.

It showed that while Pfizer offers higher protection following a second dose compared to AstraZeneca – defined by measuring the viral burden detected via an RT-PCR diagnostic test – its protection fades faster.

However, while the results indicate that efficacy may drop substantially as time passes – in Pfizer’s case by as much as 22% for every 30 days after the second dose – the authors wrote that they do not suggest any conclusive requirement for follow-up booster injections.

newsGP - COVID-19 vaccine efficacy fades over time: Study

Vaccine-induced immunity against infection appears to slowly reduce as months pass, but evidence around hospitalisation is less clear. What does this mean for boosters in Australia?

www1.racgp.org.au

And in aged care residents those vaccinated with pfizer-

Covid antibodies produced by the Pfizer vaccine decreased more than 80 percent in senior nursing home residents and their caregivers six months after receiving their second dose, a US study has found.

Also, the CDC released Mayo Clinic patient data from Minnesota that showed that in July, when the delta variant was prevalent, Moderna’s vaccine was 76 percent effective against infection and Pfizer’s 42 percent.

Study shows 80% COVID-19 antibodies lost six months after second Pfizer vaccine dose; what this means

The results support the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC), recommendation for booster shots especially for the elderly due to fading immunity

www.firstpost.com

As Dirty Harry said -"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do you, punk?"

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

No it's not.I have previously posyted the study that shows the efficacy against delta by the Pfizer vaccine declines and by 6 months the AZ vaccine has greater efficacy.
But here is another report of the drop in the effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine.

newsGP - COVID-19 vaccine efficacy fades over time: Study

Vaccine-induced immunity against infection appears to slowly reduce as months pass, but evidence around hospitalisation is less clear. What does this mean for boosters in Australia?

www1.racgp.org.au

And in aged care residents those vaccinated with pfizer-

Study shows 80% COVID-19 antibodies lost six months after second Pfizer vaccine dose; what this means

The results support the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC), recommendation for booster shots especially for the elderly due to fading immunity

www.firstpost.com

As Dirty Harry said -"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do you, punk?"

Did you see the guardian this weekend Drron, wondered your thoughts on it: Boys more at risk from Pfizer jab side-effect than Covid, suggests study

 

[drron]

Did you see the guardian this weekend Drron, wondered your thoughts on it: Boys more at risk from Pfizer jab side-effect than Covid, suggests study

Yes that has been known for a while and is more common at younger ages.Although normally a mild illness it usually means hospital admission with cardiac monitoring as myocarditis is associated with cardiac arrhythmias which can be fatal.

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

Yes that has been known for a while and is more common at younger ages.Although normally a mild illness it usually means hospital admission with cardiac monitoring as myocarditis is associated with cardiac arrhythmias which can be fatal.

really does confuse me why people are so keen to get jabs into the arms of young people while there are people far more at risk from covid still waiting for jabs

 

[mviy]

It's politics. Parents for their mental health want their kids to be protected to feel better, even though other than for those with co-morbidities the science tells us that the risk for kids is much lower than for adults.

Come mid-October there'll be enough supply for anyone 12 and up who wants it to get vaccinated. Opening it up to kids now pushes back the date when supply will exceed demand, delaying the need for any additional incentives to be offered.

Even though there's no official target for 12-15 year olds to get vaccinated before reopening, effectively by opening it up to them now we will have some of them vaccinated before resuming international flights.

Healthy kids getting vaccinated has the main benefit of helping to protect unvaccinated adults. It also takes away the excuse of "the kids aren't vaccinated" for teachers to push back against reopening schools, at least for the secondary students.

 

[JB expat]

It's politics. Parents for their mental health want their kids to be protected to feel better, even though other than for those with co-morbidities the science tells us that the risk for kids is much lower than for adults.

Come mid-October there'll be enough supply for anyone 12 and up who wants it to get vaccinated. Opening it up to kids now pushes back the date when supply will exceed demand, delaying the need for any additional incentives to be offered.

Even though there's no official target for 12-15 year olds to get vaccinated before reopening, effectively by opening it up to them now we will have some of them vaccinated before resuming international flights.

Healthy kids getting vaccinated has the main benefit of helping to protect unvaccinated adults. It also takes away the excuse of "the kids aren't vaccinated" for teachers to push back against reopening schools, at least for the secondary students.

It is more than this. The Royal Children's Hospital did an hour education seminar recently that covered vaccinations for children among other related topics. While children are at a lower risk re: serious complications of COVID, it is expected that the vaccine presents an even lower risk and offers beneficial protections. Thus, while it makes sense that children are at the back of the line (except those with conditions who really do need the protection), it does make sense to vaccinate them.

For those interested, the session is on their Facebook page & You Tube channel and I found the full hour very interesting. One doctor moderated with 4 qualified experts answer questions posed by the moderator - not talking down but really doing a great job of explaining many things related to the risk of covid re: children.

 

[Seat0B]

I would be very much against mandated wearing of a mask come mid next year.

I would like to see Australians adopt mask wearing as a social norm rather than mandate once we are all suitably vaxxed. It seems to work really well in a number of Asian societies that people mask up if they are sick. Even better if sick people stayed home, but people being people, probably that won't happen, so masks are a good half way point. I have often masked up in Japan if I had a runny nose or a cough, just from feeling the social pressure to do so. So now we are in the habit, so to speak, I would like to see voluntary mask wearing become the socially accepted thing to do here.

 

[Seat0B]

It is more than this. The Royal Children's Hospital did an hour education seminar recently that covered vaccinations for children among other related topics. While children are at a lower risk re: serious complications of COVID, it is expected that the vaccine presents an even lower risk and offers beneficial protections. Thus, while it makes sense that children are at the back of the line (except those with conditions who really do need the protection), it does make sense to vaccinate them.

For those interested, the session is on their Facebook page & You Tube channel and I found the full hour very interesting. One doctor moderated with 4 qualified experts answer questions posed by the moderator - not talking down but really doing a great job of explaining many things related to the risk of covid re: children.

This is interesting and thanks for posting. Seat Daughter has an 11 month old and is pretty sensible about not stressing too much. But Seat Granddaughter will be heading to childcare early next year and so will go through the usual wave of illnesses associated with first starting childcare. She's a bit anxious that this anticipated problem might now also include COVID. So I will pass it on to her and her wife to follow up. Information is power. Misinformation is.....well, misinformation.

 

[Pushka]

I would like to see Australians adopt mask wearing as a social norm rather than mandate once we are all suitably vaxxed. It seems to work really well in a number of Asian societies that people mask up if they are sick. Even better if sick people stayed home, but people being people, probably that won't happen, so masks are a good half way point. I have often masked up in Japan if I had a runny nose or a cough, just from feeling the social pressure to do so. So now we are in the habit, so to speak, I would like to see voluntary mask wearing become the socially accepted thing to do here.

Yes I agree with that. But I’m thinking those who should mask up with a cold won’t! Yesterday I was at our community garden which was outside but holding a meeting. Most weren’t wearing a mask. The guy next to me was snivelling. I should have worn a mask esp as I’ve not long had a two week long respiratory infection. I’m cross with myself.
But I don’t want to always have to wear one.

 

[mviy]

I would be very much against mandated wearing of a mask come mid next year.

For me it can't stop soon enough. Masks make me feel sick and take away much of the enjoyment of being out in the fresh air and being with people.

I've had one vaccine dose and if they took away the threat of fines and didn't enforce mask wearing I would never put one on again.

 

[Seat0B]

But I don’t want to always have to wear one.

In total agreement with you on that one.

Most weren’t wearing a mask. The guy next to me was snivelling.

And these are the people who need to get the social pressure/stink eye/side eye/rolled eyes/ evil eye to make them aware that their actions impact others and they should choose to either stay at home or mask up. And I don't mean wear a chin guard!

 

[Seat0B]

For me it can't stop soon enough. Masks make me feel sick and take away much of the enjoyment of being out in the fresh air and being with people.

I've had one vaccine dose and if they took away the threat of fines and didn't enforce mask wearing I would never put one on again.

Well yes, but I'm sure if you were sick and ran the risk of infecting other people with COVID, the flu or even just a nasty common cold, you would choose to either stay home or wear a mask?

 

[mviy]

We never used to wear masks in Australia if we had the flu or a cold, though if you were very sick you probably wouldn't be going out either.

All the vulnerable have had plenty of time to get vaccinated. Now that the AZ gap between doses has been cut to 6 weeks there's even less excuse for that group.

I don't see why I should have to continue to wear a mask. Those who choose not to be vaccinated should be allowed to face the consequences of those actions. We have to learn to live with COVID, not live in perpetual fear of catching it.

It's actually pretty dangerous for those who wear glasses wearing a mask on the streets as glasses fog up impairing vision.

I expect I will wear masks at the airport and on planes, but only because it will be mandated despite the false advertising from QANTAS indicating that masks won't be required on planes when we reopen. As soon as the mandate is removed I'll stop wearing them.