General Discussion/Q&A on Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[burmans]

Calling it like it is…rare in a pollie

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Agree, freedom of choice does not mean you are free from the repercussions of that choice!

 

[Flashback]

Calling it like it is…rare in a pollie

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Do you have a source for that?

 

[bcworld]

Do you have a source for that?

Fake news I think. He certainly gave an address along these lines a couple of days ago, but I don't think this was it.

 

[I love to travel]

Agree, freedom of choice does not mean you are free from the repercussions of that choice!

He can be our PM. Love it. Mind you under his rules I wouldn't be allowed our because I am in the QLD queue and have been for ages.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Of concern.

AstraZeneca vaccine and international travel: Will Europe and US allow Australians to enter?

The European Medicines Agency has only authorised four vaccines - and the AstraZeneca vaccine used in Australia is not one of them.

www.traveller.com.au

 

[OZDUCK]

Fake news I think. He certainly gave an address along these lines a couple of days ago, but I don't think this was it

Well a lot of what that quote attributed to him appears not to be "fake news". This article from Reuters seems to contain all the major points raised in that quote. The France24 & BBC articles also seem to contain the same sort of information. Whether his rhetoric was quite as high flown as the quote is possibly in doubt but not the final message.

France insists health workers get COVID-19 shots as infections rise

All health workers in France must get COVID-19 jabs and anyone wanting to get into a cinema or board a train will need to show proof of vaccination or a negative test under new rules announced by President Emmanuel Macron on Monday.

www.reuters.com

Mandatory vaccination, Covid-19 pass and access to PCR tests: the main points from Macron's address

French President Emmanuel Macron gave a televised address on Monday night as the Delta variant of Covid-19 surges in the country. He announced further measures to slow the spread of the more infectious…

www.france24.com

France Covid: Vaccinations mandatory for all health workers

Amid a surge in cases, President Emmanuel Macron announces new measures to combat Covid.

www.bbc.com

 

[OZDUCK]

Well a lot of what that quote attributed to him appears not to be "fake news". This article from Reuters seems to contain all the major points raised in that quote. The France24 & BBC articles also seem to contain the same sort of information. Whether his rhetoric was quite as high flown as the quote is possibly in doubt but not the final message.

France insists health workers get COVID-19 shots as infections rise

All health workers in France must get COVID-19 jabs and anyone wanting to get into a cinema or board a train will need to show proof of vaccination or a negative test under new rules announced by President Emmanuel Macron on Monday.

www.reuters.com

Mandatory vaccination, Covid-19 pass and access to PCR tests: the main points from Macron's address

French President Emmanuel Macron gave a televised address on Monday night as the Delta variant of Covid-19 surges in the country. He announced further measures to slow the spread of the more infectious…

www.france24.com

France Covid: Vaccinations mandatory for all health workers

Amid a surge in cases, President Emmanuel Macron announces new measures to combat Covid.

www.bbc.com

In fact that quote does seem to be at least a good paraphrase of what he said. In his official Twitter account he certainly refers back to Pasteur and the enlightenment. The thrust of the matter seems to be that while vaccination will not be compulsory if you want to go anywhere or do anything you will need to be vaccinated.

https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron

Je l’ai dit, je le répète : le vaccin ne sera pas obligatoire. Ayons confiance en nos chercheurs et médecins. Nous sommes le pays des Lumières et de Pasteur, la raison et la science doivent nous guider

(I have said it again: the vaccine will not be compulsory. Let us have confidence in our researchers and doctors. We are the land of enlightenment and Pasteur, reason and science must guide us)

&

La vaccination sera rendue obligatoire d’ici le 15 septembre pour tous les soignants et les personnels d’hôpitaux, cliniques, maisons de retraite, établissements pour personnes handicapées et pour ceux travaillant au contact des personnes âgées ou fragiles, y compris à domicile.

(Vaccination will be made compulsory by September 15 for all caregivers and staff in hospitals, clinics, retirement homes, establishments for disabled people and for those working in contact with the elderly or frail, including at home.)

 

[tgh]

Do you have a source for that?
Fake news I think

It was (I thought ...clearly) a facebook screenshot …that came from a friends timeline that came from …who cares...
Attempting to validate any published words from anyone anywhere these days is a mugs game… even the media no longer bother.
If the words resonated with anyone, my posting was not in vain .

 

[Pushka]

Of concern.

AstraZeneca vaccine and international travel: Will Europe and US allow Australians to enter?

The European Medicines Agency has only authorised four vaccines - and the AstraZeneca vaccine used in Australia is not one of them.

www.traveller.com.au

See this is silly. I know my first AZ was imported but there is no differentiation in my certificate between this one and the second one unless that too was imported. I'll just tell them they came from Britain.

 

[drron]

With the number of infections they have had India must be approaching herd immunity levels.


Having a mental illness is associated with a higher risk of covid.

DG Alerts COVID-19

Eric Clapton against vaccine privileges.Won't play to vaccinated only audiences.

Eric Clapton Says He Reserves ‘The Right To Cancel’ Shows At Venues That Require Proof Of Vaccination

Eric Clapton wants nothing to do with vaccine passports — and that includes at his own concerts. Responding to an announcement from British Prime Minister Boris Johnson that anyone wanting to enter nightclubs or other crowded venues will have to show proof of COVID vaccination beginning in...

www.dailywire.com

But the US NFL making it hard for unvaccinated players taking the field.

NFL teams will be forced to forfeit if unvaccinated players cause COVID-19 outbreak

The NFL has laid out its strongest incentive yet for players to get the vaccine. According to a memo shared on Twitter by NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero, the league has mandated that a game cann…

nypost.com

 

[OZDUCK]

France is getting ever more serious about restrictions on people who refuse to be vaccinated.

To quote: “A freedom where I don’t owe anything to anyone doesn’t exist,” Mr. Macron told reporters at a hospital in Tahiti, one of the islands. “What is your liberty worth if you tell me you don’t want to get vaccinated? And tomorrow, you infect your father, your mother or myself. I am a victim of your freedom.”

France approves a contentious law making health passes mandatory. (Published 2021)

The vote came after days of heated parliamentary debates and protests against the measure in dozens of French cities.

www.nytimes.com

 

[jeza]

UK cases starting to drop off again, hopefully the hospitalisations & deaths will similarly decrease soon. Interesting graphic about spikes in cases after each Euro Cup match the England participated in.

If the link below says you need to subscribe to read the article try googling "why are covid cases falling in the uk" & opening the link from the search results.

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www.ft.com

 

[burmans]

It would be interesting to understand drivers of infection in the UK. Agree on large sporting events but large numbers of people in crowded nightclubs can’t help either!

 

[drron]

Quite a few drivers of infection in the recent US surge due to delta variant.From july 4th.

The report cited the COVID-19 Provincetown outbreak during the July 4 weekend, where more than 900 people were infected with COVID-19 as of Friday, some with the delta variant. Among those living in Massachusetts, 74% of them were fully vaccinated, yet officials said the majority reported mild symptoms of the disease. Seven people were hospitalized.

Provincetown, Mass., COVID Cluster Reportedly Among Reasons Behind CDC Reversing Mask Guidelines

Findings from the investigation into the Provincetown COVID-19 outbreak helped formulate the CDC’s decision to recommend that all Americans, even if they are vaccinated, wear masks indoors, according to an internal report by the agency. An internal CDC document obtained by NBC News cites...

www.nbcnewyork.com

To summer camps.

All of the infected campers are under the age of 11. So far, none of the camp's vaccinated campers, aged 12 and up, have returned a positive test. Only four campers who are of the appropriate age to be vaccinated have not done so, CNN reports.

None of the camp's 275 staff members have tested positive for the virus. Fewer than 10 are unvaccinated.

New York summer camp says 31 unvaccinated campers have COVID-19

A sleep-away camp in New York has reported that 31 of its campers, all of whom are unvaccinated, have tested positive for COVID-19.Camp Pontiac, located two hours from New York City in Copake,…

thehill.com

Delta Variant ‘Absolutely' Driving Covid Breakthrough Cases, Says Doctor

Dr. Robby Sikka discusses breakthrough Covid cases as the highly transmissible delta variant spreads nationwide.

www.nbcnewyork.com

Yankees dealing with a full-blown COVID outbreak after All-Star break

The New York Yankees start the second half of the MLB season with a coronavirus outbreak amongst their team but are still scheduled to play on Friday.

fansided.com

And to a terrible story of a nursing home outbreak.
Two months ago, a health director in upstate New York received a call from a hotel owner worried that nursing home staffers living at his hotel were spreading COVID-19.

Brought in from other parts of the state or country, some employees of the Grand Rehabilitation and Nursing at Barnwell, a 235-bed nursing home in Valatie, were living at the Comfort Inn and Suites in Castleton while they worked at the facility. Some were sick, but they weren’t isolating, the hotel owner reported.
Then, in May, an outbreak of COVID-19 cases – which appears to have been among the largest nationwide in a nursing home that month – swept through the facility often known locally as Barnwell. That month, 12 staff members and 20 residents tested positive for the virus, according a Barnwell spokesman, county health officials and data the facility reported to federal regulators. Two residents died in the nursing home and one died later at the hospital, officials said.

COVID-19 outbreak in New York nursing homes likely among worst in the nation in May

In late April, a health director in upstate New York received a call from a hotel owner...

www.timesunion.com

But all's well as Pfizer is making a motza.

 

[tgh]

Pandemic snapshot : 05/08/21.




The latest daily positive number is 648 702 cases

Israel has the highest fully vaccination rates at 62.21 %

Current covid positive graph for Israel :

 

[burmans]

Yeah, but as has been reported elsewhere the number of deaths is considerably reduced in Israel (though still a slight uptick recently) so not sure cases has the same relevance as before. If we are going to "live with Covid" its hospitilisations and deaths that will matter.

Worldwide, yes cases still matter given the worlds overall low vaccination rate.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Why is Delta more infectious and deadly? New research holds answers.​

Why is Delta more infectious and deadly? New research holds answers.

Studies show that Delta replicates more quickly and generates more virus particles than other variants, but vaccines still protect against serious infections.

www.nationalgeographic.com

 

[Pushka]

Why is Delta more infectious and deadly? New research holds answers.​

Why is Delta more infectious and deadly? New research holds answers.

Studies show that Delta replicates more quickly and generates more virus particles than other variants, but vaccines still protect against serious infections.

www.nationalgeographic.com

Sounds an excellent article but can't read past the first paragraph. Any more info you can give?

 

[TheRealTMA]

Sounds an excellent article but can't read past the first paragraph. Any more info you can give?

Unfortunately no. You may have to subscribe or Google it.

 

[VPS]

I think we can all relate to some of these