General Train Discussion

[PineappleSkip]

Anywhere "over east" where the trains run at 160?

The tilt train from BNE to ROK does 160 in various places. That used to be the top speed for the XPT in some places, but I think they reduced it.

Cheers skip

 

[Melburnian1]

Anywhere "over east" where the trains run at 160?

NSWTrainLink's XPT operates at a maximum speed of 160 kilometres an hour for much of the 125 kilometres between Wagga Wagga and Albury (and about 25 years ago it got up to above 190kmh under test on part of this section of the Sydney - Melbourne line), as well as on other suitable sections of the lines radiating from Sydney to the south, west and north coast.

In Victoria, the VLocity trains run at a maximum speed of 160kmh on four of the five major lines that radiate from Melbourne. It is not every bit of track: for instance, it is slower through the Geelong and Melbourne suburbs, and there also lower speeds through curves and stations.

From memory the Queensland diesel tilt train operates at up to 160kmh, again by no means for the whole of the route between Brisbane and Cairns, but its electrically operated cousin has reached up to 210kmh north of Bundaberg on a test run.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

They don't quiet match the Maglev to Shanghai airport.

 

[Boca68]

We already have massive immigration at the moment. Officially about 200k but at least another 100k getting permanent residency via some back door way like tertiary education.

And without that 'massive' immigration, we would be going backwards. Not only in population terms, but in economic terms also.

Australias' whole fiscal policy is based on net positive migration (both major parties and the minor parties). Like to hear your theories on what you would do with zero immigration. 100k baby bonuses? Maybe tax contraceptives 500%? Ban the pill?

Its not massive immigration, its what we need. Not knee jerk reactions!

And besides, the new high speed rail line will go right by my front door

 

[JessicaTam]

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And besides, the new high speed rail line will go right by my front door

But will it stop there?

 

[medhead]

When the whole country is losing it's mind over 20000 people arriving by boat, and at least 5 elections having been fought over those 20000 people. 200-300 thousand is massive.

 

[JessicaTam]

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There is a documentary on 7 tonight about "The World's Best Metro". In Australia, no less.

https://au.tv.yahoo.com/plus7/the-worlds-best-metro/

Looking at the train in the background, it looks like a double decker. So would that make it SYD? And I am wondering how it could be "world's best"?

No offence to the Sydneysiders, but I doubt any Australian metro could compete with some of the asian or european systems.

 

[PineappleSkip]

So would that make it SYD? And I am wondering how it could be "world's best"?

This is a hint

n their efforts to build a new train line in Australia.

Only Sydney has double deckers in Aus, and the under construction North West Rail Link was vaunted a while back as going to be like London Underground. i.e. single deck carriages. This marvellous system has the throw in benefits of lack of compatibility with the rest of the network and extended shutdowns of the Bankstown and Chatswood-Epping lines while they enhance them for incompatibility.

Should be an unmissable program. May be selling a sow's ear as a silk purse..

Cheers skip

 

[JessicaTam]

This is a hint

Only Sydney has double deckers in Aus, and the under construction North West Rail Link was vaunted a while back as going to be like London Underground. Single deck carriages and lack of compatibility with the rest of the network.

Should be an unmissable program. May be selling a sow's ear as a silk purse..

Cheers skip

Yep, which AU city was my question.

Anyway, you have answered my question. Thanks.

Considering it starts at 2300, I might give it a miss.

 

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Can we talk about old trains too? I miss the smell of coal from the locos and from the waiting room fire in winter

 

[UP4014]

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There is a documentary on 7 tonight about "The World's Best Metro". In Australia, no less.

https://au.tv.yahoo.com/plus7/the-worlds-best-metro/

Looking at the train in the background, it looks like a double decker. So would that make it SYD? And I am wondering how it could be "world's best"?

No offence to the Sydneysiders, but I doubt any Australian metro could compete with some of the asian or european systems.

The new metro is going to take over the now Sydney Trains line from Eastwood to Chatswood then Sydneham along the Bankstown line. So some existing double decker lines will revert to single deck metro trains with few seats.

It will be driverless, many insiders consider spending a motza extra to remove union crews a waste considering these trains can't operate anywhere else and nothing else can operate on the new line.

 

[JessicaTam]

The new metro is going to take over the now Sydney Trains line from Eastwood to Chatswood then Sydneham along the Bankstown line. So some existing double decker lines will revert to single deck metro trains with few seats.

It will be driverless, many insiders consider spending a motza extra to remove union crews a waste considering these trains can't operate anywhere else and nothing else can operate on the new line.

Thanks for that. I set my recorder at home, so I will have a look at the program.

 

[Cruiser Elite]

Take a gander at this - China High Speed Trains 840kmh

 

[Buzzard]

Take a gander at this - China High Speed Trains 840kmh

Imagine if that ran off the rails

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Take a gander at this - China High Speed Trains 840kmh

That's pretty amazing!

 

[medhead]

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There is a documentary on 7 tonight about "The World's Best Metro". In Australia, no less.

https://au.tv.yahoo.com/plus7/the-worlds-best-metro/

Looking at the train in the background, it looks like a double decker. So would that make it SYD? And I am wondering how it could be "world's best"?

No offence to the Sydneysiders, but I doubt any Australian metro could compete with some of the asian or european systems.

Indeed. And demographics are an important requirement for the proposed train line below.

As for the Sydney train system. The Bradfield version was extremely visionary, having been designed before the depression with the intended network being able to cover requirements to the modern day. The rolling stock they use now might have problems, but the network is great. My best guess is the new line is going to totally mess up Bradfield's design.

And the talk-fest continues:

High-speed rail link between Melbourne and Sydney proposed by private company - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

 

[travelislife]

The new metro is going to take over the now Sydney Trains line from Eastwood to Chatswood then Sydneham along the Bankstown line. So some existing double decker lines will revert to single deck metro trains with few seats.

It will be driverless, many insiders consider spending a motza extra to remove union crews a waste considering these trains can't operate anywhere else and nothing else can operate on the new line.

This is how most metro systems operate around the world. Dedicated rolling stock to dedicated lines. It means if there is an issue on one line it doesn't affect the rest of the network. It has been proven to be the most efficient way of running metro systems. Australia's suburban mash of networks just don't stand up to this.

It is also the long term vision for Melbourne's rail network. Segregating the lines into end to end not terminating in the city as they all do now but running through. One issue is the unions and their ridiculous requirements of dictating drivers can't be allocated just to one line. They would get a rude shock if they had to drive trains in say Japan. Train drivers in Aus earn crazy money.

 

[Cruiser Elite]

Imagine if that ran off the rails

Would rather not - and hopefully will never happen - the 330kmh crash they had was bad enough - and multiply the quoted casualties by 3 or 4 to get somewhere near accurate loss of lives.

That's pretty amazing!

Totally amazing MEL - but you and I have been there often enough and seen how the Chinese 'get things done' to understand this concept is not fantasy land - maybe not speeds of 800 or > but would not be at all surprised to see 500kmh in not too distant future.

 

[Jmrocky]

Would rather not - and hopefully will never happen - the 330kmh crash they had was bad enough - and multiply the quoted casualties by 3 or 4 to get somewhere near accurate loss of lives.Totally amazing MEL - but you and I have been there often enough and seen how the Chinese 'get things done' to understand this concept is not fantasy land - maybe not speeds of 800 or > but would not be at all surprised to see 500kmh in not too distant future.

It was reported a while ago there were some pretty savage issues with China's HSR network, including rail bridge footings filled with sand and footings being held down by gravity alone. It's all well and good to break speed records, as long as the track remains standing.

 

[Cruiser Elite]

Have you ridden the HSR rocky? Where was that reported? All seems good to me but how would you ever know?