General Train Discussion

[Himeno]

And the talk-fest continues:

High-speed rail link between Melbourne and Sydney proposed by private company - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

I wish they would stop talking about it and build it already.
By the time they finally decide that they will do it, maglev will be cheap and efficient enough to do the line, but we'll still get the by then slower last gen TGV style line.

 

[TomVexille]

I wish they would stop talking about it and build it already.
By the time they finally decide that they will do it, maglev will be cheap and efficient enough to do the line, but we'll still get the by then slower last gen TGV style line.

So so right

 

[UP4014]

Back to the days of the Wild West and the railroad speculators? A few of the richest men ever made their piles that way. I think we might be a 150 years late though.

The Rail Barons were given concessions over the land (unoccupied) for building the rail roads. Now land acquisition is 2/3 the cost of building a railway.

Sorry to disappoint, even as a great rail supporter, but some things are still in fairy land.

 

[PineappleSkip]

This is a remarkable plan. A HSL from Melbourne to Sydney via the sticks.

The map is not very clear, and the proponent's website says next to nothing.


On my reckoning city 4 is somewhere around Tumut and city 6 could be Finley. Remarkable.

Cheers skip

 

[medhead]

Yair right - can I have one of those building lots that are available for $1000 and supposedly will be sold for $150000?

The proponent are buying the land for $1000 a block and will sell them to you for $150000. As a funding model it's pretty good.

This is a remarkable plan. A HSL from Melbourne to Sydney via the sticks.

The map is not very clear, and the proponent's website says next to nothing.


On my reckoning city 4 is somewhere around Tumut and city 6 could be Finley. Remarkable.

Cheers skip

The version on the front page of the Australian says all new towns, but not will be more than 15 km from existing towns. As the ABC story points out, this is as much about populating regional areas. That's pretty important, bit of a shame they have to ignore existing towns to chase funding from land sales. If I knew I could get from city 3 to Sydney CBD/work in 30 minutes I'd be pretty tempted to move out there. Probably a large number of people in Sydney and Melbourne feel the same.

But the development of the towns is the most challenging part of the plan for mine. Not building the rail.

"This is about regional development, decentralisation and the land capture which will occur on the corridor between Melbourne and Sydney.

 

[pauly7]

Lol I literally just watched the Utopia episode dedicated to this and then this thread popped up. Believe it when I see it.

 

[wandering_fred]

The proponent are buying the land for $1000 a block and will sell them to you for $150000. As a funding model it's pretty good.
...

Thinking about the WA area experiences, I hope the proponents have better luck with the local councils / local utilities with respect to the "standard" infrastructure charges that are applied to each new building lot.

But I guess those charges are normally less than $149,000. :shock:

Happy wandering

Fred

 

[whatmeworry]

And the talk-fest continues:

High-speed rail link between Melbourne and Sydney proposed by private company - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Bit like an episode of Utopia.

[video=youtube;3jl9hTIkXXc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jl9hTIkXXc[/video]

 

[whatmeworry]

I wish they would stop talking about it and build it already.
By the time they finally decide that they will do it, maglev will be cheap and efficient enough to do the line, but we'll still get the by then slower last gen TGV style line.

Hopefully the bloke below isn't the transport minister when it happens.

 

[coco50]

And the talk-fest continues:

High-speed rail link between Melbourne and Sydney proposed by private company - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

As in The Castle "tell them they're dreamin'"

 

[Warks]

Lol I literally just watched the Utopia episode dedicated to this and then this thread popped up. Believe it when I see it.

Along with the bridge to Tasmania?

 

[whatmeworry]

Along with the bridge to Tasmania?

I think a tunnel would be a better option.

 

[Ausbt]

I mean we've been talking about flying cars for decades and you know, getting pretty close now. Don't these high-speed-rail clowns realise that after we sort the cars out, flying Trains will be the next big thing?

 

[medhead]

Thinking about the WA area experiences, I hope the proponents have better luck with the local councils / local utilities with respect to the "standard" infrastructure charges that are applied to each new building lot.

But I guess those charges are normally less than $149,000. :shock:

Happy wandering

Fred

It's interesting. They are saying $200 billion over 20 years. If I make an easy assumption that 25% comes from train fares. That means they'd need to sell at least 1,000,000 housing plots. Say 125,000 houses in each new town, say 250000 people per town (they'd be cities at that level actually). basically they are looking to move 1000000 people from both Sydney and Melbourne. Of course, this ignores development costs.
Ambitious. But it is probably what Australia needs.

I think the big huddle is not stopping in Canberra, they have to get a heap of traffic if they could offer <1 hour between canberra and sydney

 

[Warks]

That sort of population growth would be powered by a massive increase in immigration you would think. The lords and masters would love that to create 'growth'.

 

[medhead]

That sort of population growth would be powered by a massive increase in immigration you would think. The lords and masters would love that to create 'growth'.

Maybe, I don't see a need for a massive increase. There are pretty widely acknowledged demographic problems with Sydney and Melbourne, to a lessor extent, that could be addressed by this type of development. They should be wanting to encourage people to move from those cities just as much as increase immigration

 

[whatmeworry]

That sort of population growth would be powered by a massive increase in immigration you would think. The lords and masters would love that to create 'growth'.

We already have massive immigration at the moment. Officially about 200k but at least another 100k getting permanent residency via some back door way like tertiary education.

 

[Buzzard]

I'm not holding my breath waiting for this to happen.
Imagine if the mob building the NBN get a hold of this

 

[wandering_fred]

I'm not holding my breath waiting for this to happen.
Imagine if the mob building the NBN get a hold of this

Like Adelaide the effect on Western Australia would be "nil". Besides "The Prospector" gets up to about 160km/hr after it leaves Kalgoorlie...

Anywhere "over east" where the trains run at 160?

Happy wandering

Fred

 

[Awesom Andy]

We already have massive immigration at the moment. Officially about 200k but at least another 100k getting permanent residency via some back door way like tertiary education.

The students still need to apply for a PR and meets the points requirement like everyone else. Not sure if they are included in the stats though. Unfortunately, a lot of these students don't have a very good use of English to the point where I can't hire them. Once I spent half an hour in an interview trying very hard to get any sort of comprehension out of a candidate, and he thought his strength was in communication...