Going oneworld (Qantas, BA, Finnair, Air Berlin, Royal Jordanian, Cathay) in Y/J/F

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Re: Going oneworld (Qantas, BA, Finnair, Air Berlin, Royal Jordanian, Cathay) in Y/J/

Hi from Helsinki! I was looking for new QF trip reports, found this site and wanted to thank you for the great report, looking forward to read more! QF F looks very tempting.

Yes Helsinki is lovely in summer, full of light and life, especially in July. It's the local holiday month, so thats why the airport was so packed. And I agree Helsinki is livable, also The Economist just ranked Helsinki the 7th most livable city in world, between Sydney and Perth, while Melbourne was number one ;). I have to warn that in the long arctic winter Helsinki looks VERY different, it's dark and cold and the locals escape to the Canary Islands and Thailand...
 
Re: Going oneworld (Qantas, BA, Finnair, Air Berlin, Royal Jordanian, Cathay) in Y/J/

Anybody interested in some of the first class train travel in Europe?
I certainly would be. Looking and clocking up some rail miles if the 2012 trip there I'm planning actually happens.
 
Re: Going oneworld (Qantas, BA, Finnair, Air Berlin, Royal Jordanian, Cathay) in Y/J/

Okay I'm back again, this time with some photos I missed before. I've been away without my photo library so this report has been on hold. Thanks for the comments.

Has made me interested in visiting Helsinki now. Lived in Switz and I agree it's a beautiful country. The food court at ZRH is great.

I'm thinking of just living there for a few months, got a long break coming up next year to fill! Didn't get much time in ZRH terminal, I think when I write on it you'll see I got too confused with the new satellite terminal.

Hi from Helsinki!

Firstly welcome to AFF! Agree with you totally, it was lovely during the summer but I wouldn't mind seeing the dark cold northern winter either someday. Some more flights on Finnair wouldn't go astray either.

Looking and clocking up some rail miles if the 2012 trip there I'm planning actually happens.

Have a few photos so will be putting them up for you, not too much to say since our trips were rather short and we didn't get to compare with the 2nd class products.


Cheers!
 
SIN lounges. SkyView and the QF/BA First lounge. Save the SIN puns for another time.

Just following up on the photos missing from the SIN lounges.

Firstly the premium check-in:
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The SkyView lounge used by CX:
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The upstairs section with a ceiling and newer furnishings:
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Basic buffet:
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Next the busy QF/BA First lounge:
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Better buffet at the back:
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With ice cream:
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Lasagne, fruit & ice cream:
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The one 'Asian' dish, was rather western in reality:
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Finally the cramped and curved showers:
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Next over to some European lounges.
 
The Amazing Prague Lounge. I told you it was small.

Yes I did warn you about the size, but if you didn't believe me:

Photo from the back showing the entire lounge:
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Directions: From the photo the bathrooms (yes at least it has them) are directly to the right. The front desk and entrance is to the end and also to the right.

Buffet:
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With snacks:
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And beverages:
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And edible things that are not in not individually wrapped in plastic:
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(though they probably should be wrapped given their visual appeal is -1)

Departure screens and the main seating area after stumbling from the alcoholics section of the lounge or after eating one of those unwrapped things:
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A table:
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The painting:
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All incredibly exciting.

As you can see Prague is rather inexpensive. Alcohol is clearly much cheaper than food.

So now I've caught up the photos missing from earlier posts, time for some new content. Back to Switzerland soon.
 
Lausanne to Zurich in F. Hold the chocolate croissants and affordable bananas.

A quick post on travelling through Switzerland by train. We started in Lausanne, which sits along Lake Geneva and goes up the hillside. From the bottom at Ouchy you have the lake and the Olympic Museum.

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According to Wikipedia (!) Lausanne is the smallest city to have a full metro system. From Ouchy we took the M2 line up to the intercity train station, Lausanne Gare. The M2 is fully automated and on a steep incline. The stations are also built on a gradient; you are really going up the side of the hill. Frequent, fast and not too expensive either. It’s sort of public infrastructure that truly makes you miserable to call Australia home.

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From the stop at Lausanne Gare you can walk up the few stairs then across the road to the intercity train station or take an underpass. There’s also a McDonalds nearby if you’re that way inclined. Ticketing is generally automated everywhere which personally makes it a lot easier, also less waiting. Today we would be taking the main line across to Zurich. There are two types of trains, IC and ICN. While essentially the same onboard, the former is double decked and the latter a tilt train. Both train types generally run hourly. We ended up on the older IC train.

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First class passengers get the front two carriages along with the bistro in between 1st and 2nd class. Hard to compare when I haven’t done much train travel and nearly always in the front cabin so I’ll just say what I saw. Cabin was quite spacious in a 2x1 configuration. Some seating had tables, some were parallel to the windows. I don’t recall in-seat power but I may have missed it. Finally the most important factor was it was comfortable and quiet! Definitely worth the slight additional cost if you prefer not having hassles in life.


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On arrival into Zurich we were lucky to be there on one of the few days which featured a food market inside the terminal. Many things on offer though the more fixed businesses looked a little tired. Finally the main Zurich train station is well centred and has several tram lines passing directly outside the door giving you easy access to the rest of the city. Yes you can technically fly between Geneva and Zurich on a regional, code-shared by Swiss. Ridiculous really and should only be considered if you’re connected through (and couldn’t fly directly there from your last point). Even if I had the option I think I’d prefer the train, taking it a little slower and maybe get to enjoy some food onboard.
 
Escaping the Zurich Airport Puzzle on a Brazilian

Finally time to leave Switzerland, getting to Zurich Airport is quite efficient and takes next to no time at all from the central train station. Supposedly the trams also reach the airport but take upward of half an hour. They are however regular trains, so if you're in second class you'll be with the regular commuters. No specific airport train here but given the existing setup it is probably no needed.

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Arriving by train however you are greeted with a somewhat confusing mess of check-in terminals, seemingly ever going up escalators. It does not help that BA have limited facilities in ZRH but it was a bit of a hunt for the correct check-in desk.

I won’t lie, I knew little of ZRH beforehand but I don’t believe preparation would of helped much. The flight departed from the new satellite terminal but it was hard enough getting there. Maybe I was having a bad day but I could imagine many would be equally lost with the lack of signage. I ended up going into the Star Alliance lounge for directions slightly embarrassingly – the person at the desk was extremely helpful and clear. So after finding the inter-terminal train (very LHR T5 like) that I had already passed twice unnoticed, it was off to the satellite terminal. The fun didn’t end there as this terminal was completely unfinished and immigration and security were shambled together in the construction site. After legging it up and down what felt like a labyrinth I finally found got to the gate.

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So where was the lounge? Upstairs apparently. Again everything was rather unfinished – you’d think the paint was still to dry. Similar to a SYD T3, a portion of the floor above is the lounge. However the boundary is somewhat uncertain, maybe again it is the incomplete nature of this terminal. However walking in the hall upstairs you pass the lounge toilets, then some public internet terminals and eventually find the Panorama Lounge. It doesn’t really have an entrance, you just end up in the middle of it. The desk isn’t on the outer edge either. So yeah, odd design. For all that I’ve said, it is a lovely new lounge with slick furnishings and a fantastic view. Snacks and alcohol were quite decent. Not so certain about the workspaces however. Honestly after getting lost there was little time to spend upstairs as the flight was soon to board.

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BA8766 ZRH-LCY E190 (Y)
Today the flight would be on BA Connect to London City Airport (LCY) as opposed to mainline BA services that operate to Heathrow and Gatwick. The cost is pretty much the same, just picking up a cheap Y fare. BA Connect is all that is left of BA’s regional operations, running solely out of LCY. The main advantage I saw was arriving straight into London without the misery of the larger airports. There are 4 dailies to between LCY and ZRH giving good flexibility. Finally they operate two jungle jets, E170 and E190’s. The latter was my preference and what we would fly on as these offer exit rows. Why the fuss? Well the Club World/business class product is no different to economy, your best hope for comfort is the exit row. Fortunately BA’s policy for seat pre-selection is simple, status allows it but only emeralds get the exits. For me that meant an easy choice on the E190.

Really not much to say without photos. Like most E-jets there was no IFE. A snack was served but it is a relatively short sector. Exit row was quite comfy.

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As mentioned you land right into London with LCY. There was a couple minutes wait on immigration. Bags came out right away. Overall it was straight into the adjacent rail station within a few minutes of walking off the plane. Two DLR services got us around the corner of the wharf within 15 minutes and into the hotel. Couldn’t much quicker for public transport.

The other choice of London City is some rather reasonable hotels based around the convention centre nearby. Among others there’s a Crowne, Ibis and Novatel right on top of one another. Taking the afternoon/evening flight meant getting a place to stay overnight on arrival right nearby if you enjoy taking it easy.

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The Novotel and Ibis actually share the same building. The Novotel had a great price as there were no big events on at the time. Noticed some BA crew were checking in at the same time. The entrance is a pain with reception not on the ground floor. The free internet in the lobby is just two iMacs that you have to enter all your personal details into for 20 minutes access (yes there were kids on them 24/7). There was some trouble with checking in but eventually it was sorted.

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Paid for an executive room, which was no suite but certainly not cramped. It’s not the sort of place you’d be spending much time at regardless. Coffee machine and iPod dock is as good as it gets. Negligible a-club status recognition.

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A view of the excel building and airport in the background from the room.

Location wise there is nothing really nearby, it is one of these modern living areas with apartments slowly popping up. Rather dead really but there was a well stocked convenience store metres from the Novotel. Down side is it was between two DLR stations. They are close to one another but you’ll have to walk a couple minutes to the hotel either way.

Next post I’ll leave the UK. Hotel, terminal and lounge at Heathrow.
 
Leaving London in style. Flying BA. Wishing you took the train. Repeat.

We decided to stay overnight before departing from Heathrow since we were taking an early morning flight. There are plenty of hotels in the precinct, so the choice came down to an impulsive booking the day of checking in. The Radisson Edwardian Heathrow it was, at again a rather cheap rate though the Marriott was a close second. The hotel sits on the north side of Bath Road, which is on the northern boundary of the airport. From the outside you could frequently hear the take offs from 27R but fortunately not at all from within.

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The room was basic and maybe a little small but aging relatively gracefully.

Generally the place feels a lot classier than some of the business focussed hotels but it did attract and host a few parties and marriages it seemed. Plenty of facilities to justify the four stars, but not real time to try any of them.


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The restaurant was both surprisingly small and empty. Food was great though. A little expensive but would you expect anything less?

For the more budget focussed, there’s a McDonalds next door with the usual inedible trash. A little bit further along there’s a servo with a convenience store and a rather ordinary Italian restaurant around the corner. Most useful and something we did try is the public buses that run to/from T5 along Bath Road. These are free within the Heathrow district. A bit of luggage lugging but minimal walking.

So onto T5. Well there is a bit of walking for the First check-in, it is right on the far south end which only works if you’re being driven there. Passing the vast array of self-service Y facilities you eventually find some J service desks that BA lamentingly installed and finally F, the only decent counters. Here you are welcomed and lead to a free check-in desk. Plenty of seating in case you feel like filling in forms. The mostly open design doesn’t detract as you appear distant from the crowds. It is right nearby the southern security passage, most of the traffic I gather uses the northern landside terminal.

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Those that pass through LHR would be aware the pain of having to go down and around then back up again to access the lounges. The southern side has J and F lounges, spa and Concorde Room. The latter is the only one accessible right after security. An annoyance no doubt to the regulars. So around we go, no trouble with the lounge staff. Contrary to what we commonly hear, on multiple occasions I have found the BA ground staff fantastic, in and out of the lounge.

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Anyway. F lounge, it’s big and a great place to have breakfast. And maybe a second breakfast.

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It doesn't match QF offering in SYD & MEL but provides plenty of spaces, a huge buffet with muffins that are worth dying from obesity for and most importantly when you’re away from home, wireless internet that works!

I won’t bore you with details about a short BA flight, needless to say it was ever so uninspiring and wish I took the train. They even lost our bags on the simplest of segments and provided us with the most foul smelling emergency amenity kits. Of course carry-on contained enough to survive for the following 24 hours.

That’s all for BA. Now I can finally progress to two AB flights. Thanks for staying in there.
 
Enjoying the report - looking forward to more.

FWIW, those transiting airside at LHR to T5 have to endure north Security, so many inbound, say from T3 on QF, never get to see the hollowed halls of the Fist check-in.
 
Re: Going oneworld (Qantas, BA, Finnair, Air Berlin, Royal Jordanian, Cathay) in Y/J/

Enjoying the report - looking forward to more.

FWIW, those transiting airside at LHR to T5 have to endure north Security, so many inbound, say from T3 on QF, never get to see the hollowed halls of the Fist check-in.

Indeed the transfer is a misery. The staff don't seem sure of who gets in the priority line either - I can hear the sniggers about BA staff already. I think next time I will simply DIY it and use the AA arrivals lounge then take the train to T5. (I tend to pick long transit times.) At least they have their priority boarding completely sorted out!!!!


I'll post up about Air Berlin then it's onto lots of RJ, something I do have photos of. Photos of AB are lacking sadly.
 
In an out of Berlin with Air Berlin. Coming to a oneworld near you soon.

So finally I’m flying a non-oneworld carrier. Air Berlin is getting rather close to joining oneword so let’s see how they handle me as a random. Their move from a LCC to a ‘new world airline’ to now a full service is quite analogous to Virgin here.

Firstly the choice to fly them was entirely based on the route. From Paris to Salzburg they were the best option, definitely the only reasonably priced. A choice of several indirects were available with both morning and evening flights. There biggest bases are Berlin and Düsseldorf but they good at servicing other Germany cities direct. I decided going through Berlin-Tegel as it would be most efficient and thought why not stay overnight for the hell of it. Not technically a stop-over, but a rather lengthy transit.

Booking immediate hit a snag. For some reason, the AB website (which has recently been refreshed) refused to show anything but weekends in the booking engine. Maybe it was to do with booking just a oneway ticket but the same problem kept occurring so maybe I was doing it wrong. So frustratingly the tickets were purchased through Expedia giving them a few extra dollars. Because it was booked through a TA I couldn’t select a seat either. Expedia are partly incompetent and AB have the setup for their own bookings. So no chance to pay for an exit row, so I’d have be suffering on this one.

Next problem, generally you would online check-in right? Well again the specific ports in our itinerary meant we would be one of the few who could not check-in online. Rather we would have to go old-school and simply present ourselves at the airport.

Okay so off to the airport. Air Berlin service Orly airport in Paris, much nicer than the venerable CDG ;) Connection isn’t too awful using the rail network. Started on the Metro but then had to run the RER gauntlet. Like Sydney you’re effectively fighting the regular commuters. Not sure my Asian subway riding skills were much appreciated by the Parisians. Dirty looks aside, you get off at Antony and transfer onto an automated rail system that goes direct to the airport. There are plenty of videos of the Orlyval ride on YouTube: orlyval - YouTube

Obviously it would have been easier if they just built the rail link proper but once you get to the Orlyval it isn’t so bad. Air Berlin flys from terminal 2 along where the LCC’s call home. I wonder how long it will take for them to shake their past.

Arriving at check-in there are 3 desks operating, 1 for AB elites and no crowd control. The priority check-in was empty, the Y desks each had British style snaking lines that rivalled that of the Perth CBD Woolworths. So yes, a long wait. Alas no status for now. They have no platinum/emerald level similar to DJ until recently so they’ll sort that one out. Free check-in luggage so that’s one better than Virgin. The gentleman in front has his carry-on weighed, it’s a few over but the display behind check-in has put the elite carry-on weight up in the Y line. He argues the point, staff shout at the supervisor and the screen is promptly changed. Well I in trouble, my carry-on weighs much more than his. So with some fumbling around for a passport and some banter, I make good distraction as my carry on is hidden hard-up against the check-in desk out of sight. That’s one way to handle it, though I had heard AB were generally good about it. So what seat does a random get? Right at the back for both flight. Just like old times!

So it ends up this terminal has little on offer. Not sure about the other terminal at Orly, but I’d hope it would be better. You definitely feel on the poor end of town. Security was one of those affairs where apparently the local population all last flew 20 years ago with everyone waiting until the front of the line to be told to empty pockets and remove belts etc.

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Once truly airside, there was a just a couple stores and a café. By the gate a hoard of people awaited their flights. Café it was then, maybe the price scared everyone else off but it did offer some peace. Eventually we boarded and joined that hoard. It took a while, but no problems with the carry-on.

AB8157 ORY-TXL A320 (Y)

Not many good photos onboard partly because it was squishy, also because both flights were quick.

Seat pitch feels tight. Lucky I’m smallish. However my Y experiences have been all extra legroom (QF 73H row 4, JQ row 1 etc.) or exit rows for a long time, so my judgement might be clouded. Cabin crew do make me think of DJ, they’re pretty enthusiastic. There are pop down public screens but they didn’t show programming on them, more like a loop of advertising. Not sure if that’s the short nature of these segments or if it is normal.

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Catering has several facets. Free soft drink, water and choice of sweet or savoury snack, in a similar vein to QF Y snacks.

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There is also some buy on board, like Virgin. But there is also a pre-reservation available of full meals for a few euros on the website. Again I was unable to do so having booked through expedia.

Not that long to bore yourself, before you know it you’re at Tegel.

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Tegel is truly convenient, located similar to Adelaide Airport – close to the city centre. It also has a unique design that means the road follows around the terminals, the gates are effectively adjacent to the curb side. Well unfortunately as the world is, they’ve built a new airport set to open in the coming year and Tegel will be shut down entirely. So I doubt I will ever get to see the lounge there but no doubt they have big plans for their new home. While the new airport will have a rail link, several buses service Tegel. Even late they were prompt (and cheap!).

Going back to the airport the following day, the flight left from an extended section of the airport. Rather confusing and a bit of a walk. It looked similar to MEL T4. Minimal security and the immigration desks were completely empty so you just walked right through. Nice to know they don't check your ID at all in other parts of the world too.

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This flight was even shorter so really not much to say here. Same service, exact same catering. I think I was more appreciative of the airline this time however. Possibly because the staff weren't a one off last time and for a European segment it's pretty darn good.

A video of landing at Salzburg: on board camera airberlin A319 landing at Salzburg - YouTube

Half way through that video you’ll see some futuristic hangers which house a Red Bull aviation museum. They do ask for no photography but here are some anyway: Red Bull Museum Salzburg | Flickr - Photo Sharing!


Finally when deplaning on Air Berlin flights you are offered chocolates. One way to win over people’s hearts huh?

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This wasn't too comprehensive, but really it was like taking a short JQ flight. There is only so much you can say, nothing happens and it's over rather quickly. I will look forward to try AB again, maybe with some long haul J flights in the future, definitely as a oneworld Emerald.
 
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Boarding Air Berlin and staying at the Pullman Berlin Schweizerhof

A couple amendments to the prior post before I continue.
Firstly Air Berlin’s priority boarding process was not too dissimilar to QF domestic. They ask for priority customers first and not long later a line begins to bludge out. It certainly isn’t too bad nor is carry-on luggage but in a region of Ryan and Wizz Airs, offering free checked baggage makes a difference. Again similar to a Virgin Australia evolution, they do have some low cost elements from their past but they are today firming a full service airline, and a pleasant one at that. I didn't see much jostling for o/h bin space while flights were heavily loaded. When they do not have aerobridges available to them I would prefer to have stairs on the front and back doors operating - it really seems silly to have to walk that far down the aisle and slows down boarding.

Second was staying overnight in Berlin we got a fantastic rate at Pullman Berlin Schweizerhof, which was previously a Sofitel. Supposedly was given a slight room upgrade (though I hear that everywhere I go and never believe them). Free drink vouchers for the lobby bar and some snacks/water left out in the room from the Accor status I believe. I’m quite nonchalant when if comes to hotels – difficult to impress or dismay – but the hotel was very clean and the limited interactions with staff were fantastic. So a recommendation from someone who seldom recommends.

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A good long morning walk meant we could see many of the usual sights though the Brandenburg Gate is probably best seen from afar - away from the cheesy tourist activity. Alas the stay was brief as we returned to the connecting AB flight onto Salzburg.
 
ÖBB Railjet - First class across Austria. Salzburg, Linz, Vienna

Similar to trains in Switzerland, train in services in Austria that cover the major intercity routes are the best of the fleet. ÖBB Railjet services operate from Vienna to Salzburg then onto Germany or Switzerland, they are also extending the services into southern Austria by mid-2012. SZG and LNZ are serviced by carrier suchs as AB and OS to their hubs. But it seems crazy to contemplate flying domestically to VIE on OS from these ports. The four flights a day to LNZ attract somebody and the price is reasonable but really, unless you're connecting give the train a go. It ends up being no slower once you included all the extra time getting to/from airports and waiting.

Railjets run hourly between all the non-express services. They are the usual mix of mostly economy and a couple carriages of first class. However they also have the addition of a ‘Premium’ section, which costs an additional 25 Euros on top of the first class ticket. Premium has separated cabins which in theory provides that little bit more privacy. I would normally have jumped at that except that we didn’t undertake the whole journey in one go, instead opting to split it up, it seemed a bit pointless to pay the extra for a shorter journey and just put it towards a nicer dinner. First class cabins were nearly empty anyway (2nd class was packed!) so I struggle to see the reasoning unless you are undertaking the full journey.

They do advertise the food and beverages of premium but I still am not sure if it is really an improvement over First. Maybe it could be better defined on the website. There is the usual bistro/restaurant carriage but First can be served in their seat. Firstly we were given a free snack:

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We had already decided to buy a meal off the menu, since we were travelling during our lunch time. There was a sufficient amount of choice and was not expensive at all. I didn’t check but might guess the menu is simply the same as the bistro.

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Meals both were under 5 euro and were served after 5-10 minutes of ordering.

If a measure of the quality of a journey is the speed in which it appears to pass, then the ÖBB Railjet was up there. Travel time went very quickly. Again first class rail travel in Europe is worth it unless you’re on a tight budget. Either way, you can look forward to fantastic scenery and chance to enjoy not travelling on a plane.
 
Vienna waits for you but the train won't. Lounge awkwardness. RJ priority boarding.

Finally it was time to fly Royal Jordanian. We would flying from Europe through to Jordan, stopping over for a week then continuing onto Asia. This would give a pretty good indication of their product and service as we experienced both short and long haul segments.

It took quite some preparation coming up to this point. I think I looked into their routes a year earlier mostly out of curiosity. It was only by playing with ITA matrix for different fares to Asia on oneworld did I happen to consider them seriously. It is probably one of those airlines that are forgotten about in an alliance, particularly for us as they have little to do with our part of the world. They offer quite good connections entirely in and out of Amman, the Jordanian capital. They have a good network into Europe and around the Middle East, a few flights to the US and probably the weakest heading to the Far East.

What they do offer is very price competitive business class flights in the direction we were travelling. Certainly very good for one-way fares at least. A lot of planning did go into exactly what fare, with what routing rules would be possible. It ended up though keeping it simple was easiest, booking directly on their website. I’ve mentioned their website has been refreshed, but at the time you had to create a login before being able to make bookings. I haven’t checked if this and gotchas have been removed from the booking engine but it is a reminder that some places retain traditional sales channels over ecommerce.

They do have a Sydney office which I didn’t find overly helpful, but you can expect much from such a distant foreign office. Once booked things were pretty much standard affair. You could preselect seating without difficulty. Oneworld emerald membership may be nice but flying business class, I found the status pretty much meaningless. Anyway here we go, business class on Royal Jordanian.




Vienna Airport and the Jet Lounge

Vienna Airport has a gluttony of public transport options to the city. We were coming in on a local train so chose the dedicated direct rail connection (CAT), similar to Hong Kong. It costs 10 euros for a quick connection. It departs from the central station and has a city check-in service, which a handful of airlines use (not RJ however). Okay sounds good, yeah? Well a couple problems. Simply said it is not frequent enough, only every 30 minutes, 15 minutes would be better. Also the terminal is under heavy refurbishment. Having taken a metropolitan rail service to connect through we infuriating had to follow a faded line outside then entire way around the building. Poor signage and they genuinely couldn’t have made you walk a longer way to end up back in the same building. If they could put a door in the wall it would of taken a few seconds, instead we got to watch our train depart once we entered the CAT station. I can only hope it will be sorted once construction is finished.



Check-in was not exactly smooth, but that was because we had a difficult itinerary. There was one priority desk, which meant little waiting time unless you were behind us…

My observations were only two actual RJ ground staff at check-in and the gate, both male and Jordanian - quite an obvious difference to pick besides the uniforms. Everyone else was contract staff, not a bad thing however. We had a senior Austrian Airlines staffer check us in, she was as professional as they get. Because the computer could not load up itineraries not originating in VIE, the supervisor had to help – he was the older of the two RJ employees. Eventually they got us sorted, with hand written tags + priority tags.

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One last question was "where is the lounge". I was told turn right immediately after passport control.

Well that couldn’t be further from the truth. After getting my exit stamp, I walked for 3 seconds then realised I already passed the door. This is as paid/associate/partner/part-time/token lounge as they get. Oneworld has a minimal presence at VIE, which is dominated by OS. Just the one staff member at the desk in this lounge that I could be describe as your parents having sex in a grassy hillside while backpacking through Europe. It was all a tad awkward, slightly feeling like a swingers party from yesteryear and offered little besides refuge from duty free.

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Because of the limited space, drapes and full wall mirrors are used. Sometimes I felt like I was in somebody’s living room, it was like visiting friends with a small counter bar and then the lounge room. Sometimes it felt like a horror house with hidden rooms in the walls (thinking the staff room).

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The bathrooms added to this with a cool entrance more fitting for my shower door.

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So I might be suggesting the design was seemed a bit sleazy but to be fair, a good use of space – that if we think of regional QF lounges – could be used over here. It did just feel a bit odd while there. The computer facilities were extremely limited, just one machine was working and I couldn’t print. They were nice enough to stick a note on the keyboard if you struggle with non-US layout keyboards.

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Food options were also limited, not shown was hot soup, a bowl of apples, a plate of chocolate-coated banana confectionary – these were disgusting and little in the way of alcohol but you weren’t expecting much in that department were you?

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The final photo shows a guy who was the life of the party. Maybe adding to the vibe I’ve described so far, this gentleman and his ‘entourage’ portrayed the clichéd old British rock star. The whole band was there, talking away loudly. One of those pop-cultural images people my age believe to be fictional. I only have one other band to compare them too at an airport and they certainly weren’t as jovial and loud as Guns n Roses, but bless them and their tea drinking.

We eventually decided to leave cautiously early, which turned out to be a bit hasteful. Security is after all this but before the gates. I had read that VIE relied on bussing people out from gates a lot for non-Schengen flights. So we waited with the masses downstairs by the gate.

Royal Jordanian Priority Boarding

Since there’s interest in this for QF, let’s look at what RJ do at a foreign airport. The 2 RJ staffers turn up, the older male takes control as the women from OS handle the boarding passes. Even on this route there are clearly regulars as the RJ staff warmly greets specific pax. The first bus turns up. Boarding is called. Nothing mentioned about status but very, very clearly they state business class customers please remain seated, only economy please now board. After about 10 minutes of squishing people onto the bus they swap it for another. Waiting for stragglers until the last person has boarded. One of the staff walks around and personally double checks if each person waiting is in business or not. Finally once the last person turns up, they literally stuff them onto the bus and it drives off. More waiting. Finally another bus turns up and the few of us remaining are all finally welcomed to board. So we all end up on an empty bus (these have only a few seats in them, so we could all sit if we wanted), and head off to the plane. Even then we get stuck as a plane has its engines idling. After a few minutes the bus driver has had enough and drives the really long way around. As you can imagine this whole process took a long time! On boarding it was obvious some J pax had decided to jump on the earlier buses.

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So boarding on RJ is class and not status based at VIE, and this would be repeated at AMM as I’ll describe later. We did eventually find our Airbus but it did seem to take forever for one reason and another and we departed late.
 
Re: Vienna waits for you but the train won't. Lounge awkwardness. RJ priority boardin

This is the best TR I have ever read! Thanks for sharing. You definitely had an interesting range of experiences from F 380 to Y AirBerlin!. I imagine your TR is the closest I will get to ever flying QF F :(

I'm heading to HEL soon (FinnAir ex SIN), do you recommend the Holiday Inn HEL city centre? Do you recall how much the FinnAir coach to the city was? To save me starting another thread, does anyone know lounge access I will have in SIN, travelling onwards to HEL on FinnAir on a QF flight number, only Silver + QP. Flying out of HEL on a QW carrier can I get OW lounge access at HEL with just QP?
 
Re: Vienna waits for you but the train won't. Lounge awkwardness. RJ priority boardin

This is the best TR I have ever read! Thanks for sharing. You definitely had an interesting range of experiences from F 380 to Y AirBerlin!. I imagine your TR is the closest I will get to ever flying QF F :(

I'm heading to HEL soon (FinnAir ex SIN), do you recommend the Holiday Inn HEL city centre? Do you recall how much the FinnAir coach to the city was? To save me starting another thread, does anyone know lounge access I will have in SIN, travelling onwards to HEL on FinnAir on a QF flight number, only Silver + QP. Flying out of HEL on a QW carrier can I get OW lounge access at HEL with just QP?



"...
Qantas Club members with Bronze or Silver status are unable to access
one
world alliance airline lounges with the exception of British Airways (Terrace and Executive Club Lounges only) and American Airlines
[SUP]®[/SUP]
lounges (Admirals Lounges only) which can be accessed as part of our partner airline agreement."

Might have answered part of my own question...
 
Re: Going oneworld (Qantas, BA, Finnair, Air Berlin, Royal Jordanian, Cathay) in Y/J/

Thanks for posting, love the details and the pictures are awsome to!
 
Re: Going oneworld (Qantas, BA, Finnair, Air Berlin, Royal Jordanian, Cathay) in Y/J/

Really good TR, though I see it’s been on hold for a little while.

Can’t wait for more.
 
Re: Finnair Helsinki city bus

This is the best TR I have ever read! Thanks for sharing. You definitely had an interesting range of experiences from F 380 to Y AirBerlin!. I imagine your TR is the closest I will get to ever flying QF F :(

I'm heading to HEL soon (FinnAir ex SIN), do you recommend the Holiday Inn HEL city centre? Do you recall how much the FinnAir coach to the city was? To save me starting another thread, does anyone know lounge access I will have in SIN, travelling onwards to HEL on FinnAir on a QF flight number, only Silver + QP. Flying out of HEL on a QW carrier can I get OW lounge access at HEL with just QP?

Indeed no lounge access unfortunately, but a good airport to be stuck outside the lounges. When leaving Helsinki Airport you can pay to use the spa which is 45 euro, only platinums and emeralds get that for free. The Finnair city bus costs 6.20 euros, it's a decent coach and luggage goes underneath. You can pay by credit card on the bus so no need to pre-book. It runs very frequently. Timetable is here: http://media.finnair.com/files/pdf/FINNAIR_CITY_BUS_TIMETABLE.pdf

The bus stops at the main bus station adjacent to the main train station. I didn't mind the Holiday Inn, it is certainly well placed for transport. The hotel is also adjacent to the station. The Finnair bus stops the the far opposite end so you have the walk the entire ~80 metres back. The HI isn't overly luxurious but was clean and affordable and perfect if you want to use the Finnair bus. Would be quite different there at this time of the year... hope you pack some thermals and a torch!



Sorry all for the long delay in finishing this. Have suddenly got projects on my desk keeping me very busy 6+ days a week. I've hammered out a bit more to upload so will post much of the RJ stuff up finally. Thanks for the positive feedback. Your messages certainly encourage/harass me to get it finished before I forget the details!
 
Royal Jordanian and domestic flying in Jordan

VIE-AMM Royal Jordanian A320-200 (J)

Was a full flight, clearly RJ has some regulars who are well known to staff. Their narrow body aircraft feature varying sized business class cabins. Relatively comfy but it is a mid-haul product. So think QF trans-Tasman or CX regional. 2x2 seating, we had row 1 with the bulkhead with enough room to stretch out. IFE on all of RJ is certainly a big step down from the top airlines but it’s functional and has a small selection. In this case screens are in the armrests.

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One of the big differences with RJ is food serving. Let’s begin with the entrée though - soup or appetizers. I went for the latter which included a shrimp some veal and an avocado salad.

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Next up is the mains. Now while you can read the menu which is all quite nice, they don’t exactly ask you what you like. Instead after a bit of waiting they move through the cabin with the trolleys with all the main meals plated, à la carte. That is you can see the mains on the plate then you pick and they’ll serve the sides you want with it. The clear advantage of this is, you see what you're choosing. It all appears much fresher or at least better quality, possibly from serving a whole bowl of rice for instance rather than reheating individual portions. It also means you pick exactly what you want and skip what you don’t.

Mains to choose from were Fillet Steak w/ Pepper Sauce, Chicken Breast with Café De Paris Sauce, Baked Salmon with Dijon Mustard Sauce and Ravioli in what I think was a rose sauce. Sides included roast potato, mixed vegetables and rice. Some examples are below.

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Desert is served in a very similar nature, with a choice of sweets or a cheese plate. Proper plates, cutlery etc. so nothing poor in this regard.

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Service was good, you’d have to say they’re efficient considering the added complication of their meal service. Meals are heated up then serving commenced with more meals coming straight out the galley to refill the trolley. They move through the cabin swiftly and nobody is left waiting. There's a small choice of alcohol. There standard affair is Moët and a red & white from Jordan. At least on the European routes they appear to switch between two menus, one for the first half of each month the other covers the latter half. A couple French wines go with this changing menu.

Flight time from Vienna was 3.5 hours. On arrival we got stuck in a distant bay, so had to take another bus to the terminal. It appears only mostly the widebodies get access to the aerobridges. Noticed an AF A330 sitting there, apparently delayed or cancelled. At Amman buses are again divided into classes however in this case business class gets a regular coach like vehicle with seating. Economy gets the large people carrier.

Upon arrival you usually go through to immigration/arrivals or hit the transfer desk. The transfer desk is where you get your free pass to the transit hotel (previously owned by RJ) that has been mentioned around here. Free hotel room and meals if a long transit. In our case we were actually transferring to the one and only domestic flight down from Aqaba. This gets a tad complicated because you are effectively entering the country without a visa or stamp. The nice bit is Aqaba the town and region are part of a free trade zone with tax breaks and what not, so if you enter or go to Aqaba soon after your arrival you get a free visa – otherwise you pay to get one on arrival.

Notes about AMM airport: It is a bit run down and old concrete structure. There is a huge construction project going for a new large glassy terminal looking like it will be much better. The drive into and an out of the terminals are messy until then. The two terminals oppose one another with an airside bridge in between. One is supposedly for RJ, the other for everyone else. There used to be a lounge at either end, now they have just the one but the walk from one side to the other takes a mere minute. Honestly however the mirrored configuration confused me for a bit. I’m generally very good and never lose my bearings but in this case I did briefly. Lots of duty free of questionable value. Find the escalator up to the lounge and you're fine.

It gets a little complicated here and I wish to simply the next few posts but basically we flew the domestic connector down to Aqaba and back in J on their jungle jets, stayed at various resorts and even dared to try the transfer hotel. We visited the RJ lounge a couple times. So I’ll try to group them together for everyone’s benefit. For now let's stick with flights and look at the interesting domestic segment they have on offer.

AMM-AQJ-AMM Royal Jordanian E195LR/E175LR (J)

Not many pictures here because they're short flights and you reach a point of being disinterested photographs of a bulkhead. Jordan has two international airports. Amman (which technically still has its old innery city intl airport operating like MEB) and Aqaba. Aqaba only has two dailies to and from AMM. So very quiet indeed. Over the border in Israel the story is a bit different, anyway…

Boarding in AMM is again by bus, they put people into holding pens at AMM, probably to ensure everyone is accounted for before boarding. Occasional asking if you were in business class but it seemed to make little difference. At AQJ just walk to your plane, nobody really cares.

The domestic flight is clearly filled with more affluent locals, I think many people would simply take the JETT bus – much cheaper. For us though, fully flex J was very cheap. About $100 each way. Economy was less than half that. So easy SC’s here. There was a Ramadan special in the paper at the time. If you booked any RJ flight you’d get 50% off another one. We couldn’t be bothered ringing a local ticket office to do it but my thoughts were unusual status run! Certainly there would be a few more WP’s if SYD-MEL was that price in J.

Business cabin had only a couple other people in it on each flight. The first time we were actually asked if we were meant to be in business… eyes rolled a little. Would have been nice for them to check the manifest for any visiting Emeralds. That obviously hints to the fact that nobody ever checks your ticket here either.

Seating in their Embraer’s is 1x2 so couples on the right, of course economy is 2x2 as you’d expect. Leg room was plentiful. No IFE of any sort. On the domestic flight they didn’t serve food but at least in J you get a drink. Tea/coffee/some rather nice Mango juice in glassware. The FA on the 2nd flight offered us the remaining juice cartons to take with us. It’s a SYD-CBR length flight, really quick. The price difference just covers the lounge access and extra luggage. Understandably many people out there won’t pay an extra $40/50 for the sub-hour flight.



Aqaba International Airport (AQJ) makes you realise how much empty land they have. Long roads to small buildings. On arriving there were two immigration officers and a two police officers in the entry room/doorway. Locals obviously flagged through. Nearly comical but we tell the immigration guy we need a visa, so go ‘line up’ by turning 90 degrees to the other guy. He looks at it for a minute then stamps. Then handed back to the first guy. Police officers are 2 metres away. One finished the first officer wants to check it, then the other. I say comical because it really felt more like they wanted something to do having waited all day and finally getting an international visitor, much more so than being suspicious . Generally everyone, including locals on the street are friendly here. Sometimes you never know being the ‘foreigner’ what’s entirely going on but if a shared smile and hello bring you no troubles then just be thankful compared with some parts of the world. On leaving and arriving at the airport the police at the gate wanted to check our passports but they did offer us chocolate oddly.

Leaving Aqaba for Amman, somebody – no idea if RJ staff but he didn’t want/ask for a tip – grabbed our bags from the curb. Keep in mind Gladstone airport is probably bigger. It’s about 20 metres walk from curb to check-in, immigration/security (actually there’s no security) and onto the tarmac. Checking in we looked for our itinaries, someone else just flashed their gold Royal Plus card. So I just handed over my QFF card, 10 seconds later we had two boarding passes. Think he just looked for my name on the booking.

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AQJ has one item shop and one food shop. This simplicity matches the flight board.

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All up if you’re heading to AQJ or Petra then try out the RJ service. It is a little simple at times and questionable value buying J tickets (but hey, who wants the easy status credits?) but offer a quality mid-haul and regional product at reasonable cost.

Finally the one time we passed through arrivals in Amman I noticed baggage services appeared to have a pile of bags lying around. Not sure if they’re usually disorderly but our bags turned up fine each time.

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