GST'ing online purchases discussion

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Simple request.

Give us your favourite overseas online stores and what have you bought and saved compared to buying here.

I thought I was doing well on the Lonely Planet online shop which is based in Melbourne. I buy from them often and would never buy in a store again. Great value really.

I really wanna know!
 
Give us your favourite overseas online stores and what have you bought and saved compared to buying here.

Booko: Compare book & DVD prices in Australia with Booko - not an overseas website, but an awesome resource for pricing books from various sellers. Buying books overseas has saved me a small fortune over the years.
www.amazon.co.uk/www.amazon.com - fairly restrictive in what can be shipped to Australia, but for certain items still appropriate. Shipping expensive normally.
DealExtreme: Cool Gadgets at the Right Price - Worldwide Free Shipping - DX - perfect for those "made in China" novelty/small electric items. Free shipping.
eBay - New & used electronics, cars, apparel, collectibles, sporting goods & more at low prices - I buy quite a few items from here, especially from US, UK and HK based sellers. If I like a something relatively expensive that is much cheaper in the US, I'll consider buying from Ebay, as long as I can trust the item.

I buy a lot of clothing overseas when I'm travelling, but not online. There are shops online that are highly recommended for business clothing for men, eg T.M.Lewin | Makers of Men's Shirts, Suits, Ties, Knitwear, Accessories and Womenswear

Oh, and Gerry - the last item I purchased from Hardly Normal was a $2 pair of headphones. Thanks for the special, but otherwise no thanks for most of my shopping.
 
I think we should keep the comments about the fact we would still buy online if GST was applied as it would still be cheaper - lets not give the government thieves another opportunity to tax us...

I do think this is somewhat of an aberration at the moment given the excessive strength of the A$. This is making those margin calls very easy whereas when it was A$1=US$0.5 the decisions were much more difficult. Perhaps if the RBA lowered taxes to be more in line with the rest of the world this would weaken the A$, improve export opportunities and put more cash in people's pockets to spend at Harvey Norman (though I very very rarely spend anything there - I hate the shopping experience there, find many of the products cheap and nasty and find the prices not very compelling).
 
Wow this thread going in an interesting direction. PSUs and online shopping tips. Anyway meh!

Perhaps if the RBA lowered taxes to be more in line with the rest of the world this would weaken the A$,

I guess you mean interest rates, I thinknthe government does taxes not the RBA.

Agree about the HN shopping experience but then we did get a good dining suite from Gerry
 
Simple request.

Give us your favourite overseas online stores and what have you bought and saved compared to buying here.

I thought I was doing well on the Lonely Planet online shop which is based in Melbourne. I buy from them often and would never buy in a store again. Great value really.

I really wanna know!

If you're buying Lonely Planet guides, check ebay international sellers - you can get them for less than half what you pay in the Lonely Planet online shop, including postage.
 
I agree that some people importing lots of sub-$1000 shipments probably needs to be dealt with, but I thing the current GST laws already cover this.

If not specifically, there are general anti-avoidance provisions in the GST legislation which make it illegal to do something (like split a large shipment up into sub-$1000 lots) solely to avoid paying GST.
 
If not specifically, there are general anti-avoidance provisions in the GST legislation which make it illegal to do something (like split a large shipment up into sub-$1000 lots) solely to avoid paying GST.

Akk that would be right.

It's not so much avoiding the GST that makes buying from overseas suppliers more expensive, it's the huge markups put on goods by retailers. I have a cousin who manages a retail clothing store and anything from 700% to 1000% markup is normal.
 
Ultimately, Gerry Harvey is a guy that likes his own voice - a perfect fit for programmes like ACA and TT.

The hypocrisy, patronising nature of his comments knows no bound.

He's well within his rights to believe his loud in-your-face TV ads and mail drop will work. However, the public is also within their rights to find the best price they can. He needs to stop crying like a baby when he loses and thinks the same advertising and retail channels will work the same ways as they did 20-30 years ago.

I very rarely buy physical goods over the Internet. I actually like going into a store to see and touch the goods before I buy them. However, if I can see the same thing costing a lot less elsewhere, why should I pay more for it?
 
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Agree 100%. Recently bought a book online from O/S for AUD$24+; price of same book at Borders: $49:evil:
Agree; 3 books took 8 and 12 days to deliver from England. Total price ("free" delivery) was ~$34, cost though Borders online with 35% discount would have been ~$44 (normally $66).

The reality is the Australian based resellers generally get their produced in the same places as those in Europe and the Americas - the Oz Retailer markups generally higher much higher, manly due to lack of competition/closed shop.

It's not just books - A venture I was involved with a few years ago was landing Toothbrushes into Oz for 34¢ each; we were wholesaling for 60-95¢ per piece and they were retailing from $3 up ...

Try buying a bristle Hairbrush in Oz for under $20 ... standard Walgreen price in Fl. was 7.99 + tax.
 
If Harvey Norman (and the Australian importers/distributors) adjusted their prices as the A$ exchange rate changes (at the time of their purchase payment) then there would not be so much incentive to purchase from overseas. As others have noted, the shipping cost is often significantly more than 10% GST saving.

By way of example, I recently purchased some microphones from the USA. I paid A$91 for the microphone and A$20 shipping for a total cost of A$111. This was for a brand new, factory packaged product. The best price I can get the same product here is around $220.

There are no local certifications or costs other than GST and a smaller local market resulting in lower product volumes being sold here. All Aussie retailers have the product around the same price ($220-$250). Its the local importer/distributor that has not adjusted the local pricing since the A$ have increased in value. These microphones are assembled in Mexico by an American company, so the A$ exchange rate to the US$ should be reflective of the local retail price variations.

I will continue to purchase such products from the US rather than contribute to the increased profits of the importer/distributor. The local retailers are losing my business and they should be complaining and pressuring the importer to adjust their local pricing based on the exchange rate.
 
The 10% GST cost in not the issue for local retailers and they're (purposly) making it the issue - it's that the prices including shipping that are often 50-60% cheaper than they can offer.

Fix that, and they'll make more sales. People will pay a small (10%??) premium to be able to take it home that day, rather than wait for the post.

They wont pay a 80-100% markup to get it three days earlier.


Welcome to the new way of retail business. HardlyNormal and others need to adapt to survive, not be protected by government.
 
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The 10% GST cost in not the issue for local retailers and they're (purposly) making it the issue - it's that the prices including shipping that are often 50-60% cheaper than they can offer.

Correct - if it were just 10% difference, then I would probably not be so tempted to shop online. It is, however, somewhat more than 10% cheaper, and adding GST on to the imported price still is not going to even things up.
 
Whilst we're at it, apart from eBay, anyone shop a lot online for electronic products?

DSE are doing portable HDDs at 720GB for $100. I assume they're not making any money on it, but does anyone know cheaper online (after taking into account shipping costs)?

I assume that as you get more expensive items, the differences become more pronounced (e.g. laptops, good cameras, mobile phones, etc.)
 
Another great example. The Nokia BH-905 bluetooth headphones (noise cancelling and built in mic) - A$349 in the Australian Nokia store and US$209 in the US store...

I will be buying from somewhere else in Oz though.
 
Jerry is an astute marketer I think we will see a transformation of the HN business to adapt to the new world order.

Harvey Norman have a fairly fixed business model, and I have not really viewed them as a particuallry innovative retailer. They also have a bit of an aversion to competition - just look how many of their stores are a bit away from the normal shopping areas. Look how they drop products of the distributor has their own internet channels etc.
 
I will continue to purchase such products from the US rather than contribute to the increased profits of the importer/distributor. The local retailers are losing my business and they should be complaining and pressuring the importer to adjust their local pricing based on the exchange rate.

The importer may not be in a position to adjust the pricing if they purchased at a different rate, and are carrying stock for that purchase. Most overseas companies wont provide credit so its a TT up front at the rate of the day you do the TT, that then locks the cost of the stock in regardless of whether its in the warehouse or on a slow boat from China.

The GST issue is really a non issue, and during times when the aussie dollar has soared the pendulum swings in favor of overseas purchases for consumers, when it drops people very quickly appreciate the stock sitting in the local stores at the old rate ;)
 
The importer may not be in a position to adjust the pricing if they purchased at a different rate, and are carrying stock for that purchase. Most overseas companies wont provide credit so its a TT up front at the rate of the day you do the TT, that then locks the cost of the stock in regardless of whether its in the warehouse or on a slow boat from China.
I give some grace for that, but in this case there is no way they imported a year's worth of product to hold in an Aussie warehouse. That just does not happen with these products. They would likely hold no more than 2 months of product. I can have it delivered from the USA in less than 2 weeks and so can they. Their shipments of this particular product come from the USA and not from China (unless they are selling fake/knock-offs locally :shock:).

They will be purchasing in US$ and current Australian stock will have been purchased at an exchange rate of greater than US$0.95, but the local retail price remains the same as it was when the A$ was worth less than US$0.75 and the US retail price has remained constant.

So if the local importer has such poor business model that they have locked in a purchase price in A$ for greater than 12 months then they need to change that model if they want my business. I am not suggesting they receive a credit from the US manufacturer. I am suggesting they are making more profit today than they were making 12 months ago as a result of exchange rate variations.

In the USA, the authorised dealers/retailers purchase directly from the US manufacturer. In Australia, authorised dealers/retails must purchase from a single Australian importer/distributor. Since all local retailers are purchasing at inflated prices, the local retail price is inflated.

I am seriously considering some German microphones to be purchased from the UK as they are around half the price of the same item purchased locally, even with my local industry contacts. And these will incur GST as I would be purchasing in matched pairs so the price is well over A$1000. There is no way I would consider purchasing at the Aussie prices. But with the much lower prices available from the UK it is an attractive proposition to add some to my kit. Used some on a choir on the weekend and on a violin the week before was very impressed with the results.

Its really only items that are not bulky or heavy that are attractive to purchase from overseas. My son just bought a new guitar. Again a US product that costs about double here. But in his case we chose to purchase locally as the shipping costs would have been significant and a local warranty/service adds value that justified him paying the higher local price (and his impatience as he wanted it NOW and not in the middle of January).
 
Simple request.

Give us your favourite overseas online stores and what have you bought and saved compared to buying here.

I thought I was doing well on the Lonely Planet online shop which is based in Melbourne. I buy from them often and would never buy in a store again. Great value really.

I really wanna know!
You aren't doing well at the Lonely Planet online store. They charge full RRP aside from the occasional promotion. The bigger book stores will always be a few dollars cheaper and often have sales.

www.bookdepository.co.uk is the cheapest place I have found for Lonely Planet (and all books). LP online currently have a 30% off promotion but BD is still 25% cheaper on all the books I checked today. Without the discount at LP, BD is about half price and they have free delivery.
 
bose qc15 is usd$299 vs. aud$499

zara men pants is usd15 vs. at least au$100 when their first store opens in sydney next year
 
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