Has any QFF's switched over to Virgin, or may?

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Still not a fan of VA's hard product but will continue waiting to see what happens.

Lounges
International flights/alliance
FF Program (Velocity = useless and clunky)

All the above need significant improvement to win dollars from me personally.
 
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Still not a fan of VA's hard product but will continue waiting to see what happens.

Lounges
International flights/alliance
FF Program (Velocity = useless and clunky)

All the above need significant improvement to win dollars from me personally.

Lounges= All are being majorly refurbished, new ones as well being built. Just check the MEL lounge, and BNE lounge opening on Wednesday.

International flights/alliances= Virgin have partnered with: Air New Zealand, Delta, Singapore Airlines, Etihad Airlines, Skywest Airlines. They are the new major alliances, with may more as well. I'd like Virgin to join Star Alliance, the biggest alliance in the world which could come in handy, but i know it will not happen soon, may in the future, but with all the stuff going on at the moment, we will rest that there.

FF Program (Velocity = useless and clunky) There will be a completelty new FFP to come later in the year, and JB promises it to be better then QF.

After this is rolled out, lets see if you think again ;)
 
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I'm happy to switch once:

They join an international alliance - the "bits and pieces" approach deosn't appeal to me at all.

They run wide-bodies on both PER-SYD and PER-MEL with a decent choice of departure times.
 
Virgin may also join Star Alliance, the biggest alliance in the world which could come in handy!

Here is something you might want to consider before suggesting they may join Star Alliance:

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It's from the announcement to the ASX from February 23rd this year, page 18:

http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20110223/pdf/41wyyh3mshtl5s.pdf

If Star Alliance does ever happen, I don't think anyone should expect it in the near future. I think it is misleading to suggest that it might be on it's way with absolutely no evidence whatsoever. It's fine to say "I'd like them to join Star Alliance" but that's very different to saying "Virgin may also join Star Alliance".

And my personal view is that with Singapore and Air NZ on board as partners, I'm not the slightest bit fussed about *A anyway.
 
Here is something you might want to consider before suggesting they may join Star Alliance:

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It's from the announcement to the ASX from February 23rd this year, page 18:

http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20110223/pdf/41wyyh3mshtl5s.pdf

If Star Alliance does ever happen, I don't think anyone should expect it in the near future. I think it is misleading to suggest that it might be on it's way with absolutely no evidence whatsoever. It's fine to say "I'd like them to join Star Alliance" but that's very different to saying "Virgin may also join Star Alliance".

And my personal view is that with Singapore and Air NZ on board as partners, I'm not the slightest bit fussed about *A anyway.

Correct, VA are not looking at it at the moment and this was cofirmed last month when the SQ tie up was announced:

"It is a relationship between Virgin Australia and Singapore Airlines, so it shouldn't be confused as anything other than that," chief executive John Borghetti told reporters at the International Air Transport Association (IATA) annual general meeting in Singapore on Tuesday.
"We've got so much stuff going on at the moment at Virgin Australia that it is really not in our thinking at the moment.
"That is something that we will think about in 2012 and beyond."
He said the relationship between Virgin and SIA was "much deeper, much stronger and much more meaningful" than Virgin simply joining one of the three global alliance groups - oneworld, Star Alliance or SkyTeam.
 
I'm happy to switch once:

They join an international alliance - the "bits and pieces" approach doesn't appeal to me at all.

They run wide-bodies on both PER-SYD and PER-MEL with a decent choice of departure times.

It is not so much switching as having an each way bet. ;)

My 2 corp DJ Gold cards arrived today, just in time for our first DJ domestic trip Adl/Syd early in August. Expectations are high as I believe the new dog on the block is putting in the hard yards to deliver a better hard domestic Y product than does QF. As I don't fly QF in J, I'll only be comparing the Y product. DJ believe I will find the product superior and have trusted that judgement with issuing me the Golds. Gotta say I like a company that believes in their own product so much that they will comp me to their highest level for 12 months. Likewise I have high expectations that they will continue to win my domestic business and maybe my Asian business, which is currently with JQ and their *Class product.

Interesting times ahead. Very interesting indeed.
 
Have no desire to change at present as I am OW-centric and trying to get to Lifetime levels (QF Gold and AA Gold). Didn't go for the DJ status match as my flying gets me QF Gold now, but splitting it would likely get me Silver or base with both (I'm not even sure what the Silver level is for DJ, I know so little about their Velocity product).
 
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So it seems that those who are likely to switch are those who would easily qualify or their desired tier with QFF on just aportion of their flying and could also make top tier at DJ as well. In which case QF does lose out as there is no incentive for the QFF to be loyal beyond requirements of status. Interesting.
 
Would seem some have changed to DJ not because it ranks the same but because it has risen far enough and QF is in a slump low enough to give it a go.

Me, I'm still with QF but the occasional DJ flight gets in but I can't see it's any better, but then I have no ranking in the DJ ladder.

Matt
 
So it seems that those who are likely to switch are those who would easily qualify or their desired tier with QFF on just aportion of their flying and could also make top tier at DJ as well. In which case QF does lose out as there is no incentive for the QFF to be loyal beyond requirements of status. Interesting.

Isn't QF looking at Platinum One as a counter to this?
 
What i am going to do is at the start- middle next year, i am going to post this question again, when the entire product is rolled out. This is an experiment of mine, will be very intresting to see! But my-self have atleast seen 10-20 QFF's switch to Virgin already, so virgin are on the way with getting 20% of the business market, but we will have to see when the whole product is rolled out and beyond of how much they capture! But it will be a hard job for JB to convince QFF's to switch over, and that is what he is doing!
 
It's Important to remember here that DJ aren't seeking to overtake QF, just wanting a slice of the stable pie. They won't entice every QFF member across, or even close to that. But what they are doing very effectively is poaching the top tier, as evidenced by those who are already splitting their flying spend to get top status with both. Even if they never have that members full commitment (100% of spend) it's really likely they will capture at least 20% of it.
 
It's Important to remember here that DJ aren't seeking to overtake QF, just wanting a slice of the stable pie. They won't entice every QFF member across, or even close to that. But what they are doing very effectively is poaching the top tier, as evidenced by those who are already splitting their flying spend to get top status with both. Even if they never have that members full commitment (100% of spend) it's really likely they will capture at least 20% of it.
Agree with you 100%!
 
Hopefully this move by Virgin will help to put some meaning back into the word _loyalty_ which will benefit those who switch and those who remain with QFF. The "top tier" FF are the ones you really want because they are spending the bucks consistently.

To keep these folk happy you to need to provide consistent elite service else they feel unloved and move - we see conversations along these lines every single day here. The "elite service" is exactly that too, its not really about free stuff, its about service.
 
It's Important to remember here that DJ aren't seeking to overtake QF, just wanting a slice of the stable pie. They won't entice every QFF member across, or even close to that. But what they are doing very effectively is poaching the top tier, as evidenced by those who are already splitting their flying spend to get top status with both. Even if they never have that members full commitment (100% of spend) it's really likely they will capture at least 20% of it.

For me I see it as flying say 4,000 SCs this year with QF / OW and getting WP1 or spending

~20% with DJ to get maintain Gold
Crediting ~40% with QF to maintain WP and doing a few JASA to get the 4 ~
Crediting ~40% with AA to get AA EXP via a AA Plat Challenge booster

I can't see how WP1 will give me all those benefits unless it matches the AA unlimited domestic upgrades to F and 8 system wide upgrades to J per year plus the better points burn. OK the AA points burn are not QF ASAs but they still are worth money.

As for SWMBO and her PG, well she will fly enough to maintain both DJ Gold and QF Gold on her own via JASAs and maybe a few points from me. She is happy.

For me this whole thing started when I achieved PG and asked "What is beyond 2,400 SC?". The answer was basically nothing but LTG which I will achieve in about 2-3 years. So far there is still nothing beyond 2,400 but LTG with QF but there is a whole new world with other carriers that will bring you value from those over 2,400 SCs or now that SWMBO is OK with not getting PG again, over 1,200 SCs.

I too was hesitant with moving beyond QFF but now I see there are other FF systems that this old dog can learn to use. Interesting times ahead.
 
It's Important to remember here that DJ aren't seeking to overtake QF, just wanting a slice of the stable pie. They won't entice every QFF member across, or even close to that. But what they are doing very effectively is poaching the top tier, as evidenced by those who are already splitting their flying spend to get top status with both. Even if they never have that members full commitment (100% of spend) it's really likely they will capture at least 20% of it.

+2. When Brett Godfrey was first setting up the Velocity program, he called me and wanted me to sit down to chat with crazydave98 and him, about what it would take for QF top tier members to convert to DJ (and Velocity). I told him I'd go one better - would he like a focus group? I made 5 phone calls to QF Plats (all on AFF & FT) and had 5 very quick positive responses - one even flew from SYD on his own coin to attend the meeting. Boy, did they take a lot of notes in that hour from the 6 of us.

Now that they have successfully transferred (IMHO) from a LCC to a MCC (with comparable products - both hard and soft), I am secretly happy for DJ. JohnB has certainly done a great job with continuing and accelerating the transition.
 
So it seems that those who are likely to switch are those who would easily qualify or their desired tier with QFF on just aportion of their flying and could also make top tier at DJ as well. In which case QF does lose out as there is no incentive for the QFF to be loyal beyond requirements of status. Interesting.

Isn't QF looking at Platinum One as a counter to this?

The problem with Platinum one is you need to do substanially business flying to get it, or a lot of Y flying (180 to 360 SYD-MEL/BNE/CBR). If you are flying in business most of the time then there is little reason to switch domestic flying. Clearly, qantas wants to keep the business flyers. If one does a lot of Y flying then it is likely they will need to fly other than qantas at some stage. So they mostly likely will be better off with multi-status, unless qantas brings back anytime access.

Anyone who is flying less in Y, 1200 to 3599 SC, if they can't stretch to Platinum 1 don't really have the incentive to be loyal to Qantas once they hit 1200SC or 2400SC. So I can't see how platinum one will stop these people from aportioning their flying to be multi-status. Sure, I agree that Qantas probably doesn't want people in this group getting platinum benefits, but why not just up the qulaification instead of stuffing around with all these changes.

In my case 2100SC was achievable and 2400SC is not. Now without anytime access I'm better off committing to Gold with DJ and just passing the 1200SC Platinum requalifiication requirement. Platinum one is not going to change that situation.
 
The problem with Platinum one is you need to do substanially business flying to get it, or a lot of Y flying (180 to 360 SYD-MEL/BNE/CBR). If you are flying in business most of the time then there is little reason to switch domestic flying. Clearly, qantas wants to keep the business flyers. If one does a lot of Y flying then it is likely they will need to fly other than qantas at some stage. So they mostly likely will be better off with multi-status, unless qantas brings back anytime access.

Anyone who is flying less in Y, 1200 to 3599 SC, if they can't stretch to Platinum 1 don't really have the incentive to be loyal to Qantas once they hit 1200SC or 2400SC. So I can't see how platinum one will stop these people from aportioning their flying to be multi-status. Sure, I agree that Qantas probably doesn't want people in this group getting platinum benefits, but why not just up the qulaification instead of stuffing around with all these changes.

In my case 2100SC was achievable and 2400SC is not. Now without anytime access I'm better off committing to Gold with DJ and just passing the 1200SC Platinum requalifiication requirement. Platinum one is not going to change that situation.

I agree. I certainly don't believe that Platinum One is the answer. Those that are likely to get there will probably be international travelers. QF is missing out on a mass of folk in the 1200 to 2400 category who may well be tempted by DJ.

What worries me is that QF management my actually believe that Platinum One is their answer. If they do then they are way out of touch. :-|
 
The problem with Platinum one is you need to do substanially business flying to get it, or a lot of Y flying (180 to 360 SYD-MEL/BNE/CBR). If you are flying in business most of the time then there is little reason to switch domestic flying. Clearly, qantas wants to keep the business flyers. If one does a lot of Y flying then it is likely they will need to fly other than qantas at some stage. So they mostly likely will be better off with multi-status, unless qantas brings back anytime access.

Anyone who is flying less in Y, 1200 to 3599 SC, if they can't stretch to Platinum 1 don't really have the incentive to be loyal to Qantas once they hit 1200SC or 2400SC. So I can't see how platinum one will stop these people from aportioning their flying to be multi-status. Sure, I agree that Qantas probably doesn't want people in this group getting platinum benefits, but why not just up the qulaification instead of stuffing around with all these changes.

In my case 2100SC was achievable and 2400SC is not. Now without anytime access I'm better off committing to Gold with DJ and just passing the 1200SC Platinum requalifiication requirement. Platinum one is not going to change that situation.

WP is not that hard to get. I earn 260 SCs for each trip Adl/Mel/Bkk rtn with JQ *Class. A couple of Bkk/Bom and Bkk/Ams rtns flights with CX in J, a few Syd/Lax rtns with QF in -Y (now using Air Pacific in J) and a few YUPs with AA around the states and to Canada and you have 3,200 SCs. Earning 3,200 SCs with QF domestic would be HARD YARDS.

Now that I have SWMBO as SG, via PG, and she can requalify each year, there is not reason for me to earn more than 1,200 SCs with QF. So I did the initially heavy heart thing (being initially QF and QFF loyal) and did a deal with DJ for Gold as well as with AA for a Plat challenge to short time earning AA EXP and all those really nice unlimited domestic opups and 8 system wide opup a year. Yup flying with AA will be a real pain once the AA EXP card arrives. Nice thing about also holding QF WP is you get AA F Lounge access and do not need to pay for it.

What the DJ Gold gives me is the chance to explore other non OW airlines that give reciprocal lounge, check-in, better seating, etc benefits. So a Golden key to the other side of flying without doing so as a NB with no elite benefits.

Do I think DJ will join *A? Yup, just on their terms.

Guess you could say I have the key that unlocks the Golden Handcuffs that QF use to hold their FFers to them and the OW alliance.

If I was AJ, I would be doing everything in my power to STOP QF WPs and SGs from gaining the key to the Golden Handcuffs as more than QF may lose butt in the seat Paxs and dollars to other non OW airlines and alliances.

It's a big world out there and I now have the power to explore it. Thanks AJ for the loss of anytime lounge access, no domestic Boarding at Convenience despite the PA saying I can do it, never giving me an Express Priority card, never remembering my name, not giving a cough that I'm 1.95 mtrs tall and can't sit in your 30 - 31 inch Y seats for 13 hours without suffering physical injury to my back and other small reasons which enabled me to see reason and look outside QF and OW.

For the first time in a very long time, I'm looking at airline prices and services that are not OW and guess what? There is a lot of movement at the station mate. Looking back a QF now, it is like looking at a old B&W photo of the past. I'm excited about the future of my flying and that is a nice feeling for a old dog that still remembers his first international flight on a Connie.

Tell you what, flying with DJ and this move outside OW makes me feel younger and can't be all bad.
 
What worries me is that QF management my actually believe that Platinum One is their answer. If they do then they are way out of touch. :-|

You ever know an accountant that is in touch with and excited by anything other than black ink?
 
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