Has anyone had success with the call-up "Marginal" xASA's?

[legroom]

I have booked a number of JASAs, both on the website until last year and over the phone since QF's decision to withdraw them from the online booking system.

I am not sure what JASA you are talking about, can you please explain as your post is not clear to me.

I'm referring to phone-only MASA in P, U, Z and X fare classes which gives you points & SCs.

Since June 2013, they could only be booked by phone.

"....

1. From 26 June 2013 Any Seat Award bookings made on Qantas marketed and operated flights in reservation classes X, Z, U or P cannot be made online at qantas.com. To make an Any Seat Award booking in these classes please call 1300 366 587 (dial in +61 2 8222 2430 from outside Australia). In most cases the points required for Any Seat Awards booked in these classes are higher than those required for a Classic Award in the same class of travel on the same flight....."

 

[asdf]

I'm referring to phone-only MASA in P, U, Z and X fare classes which gives you points & SCs.

Since June 2013, they could only be booked by phone.

"....

1. From 26 June 2013 Any Seat Award bookings made on Qantas marketed and operated flights in reservation classes X, Z, U or P cannot be made online at qantas.com. To make an Any Seat Award booking in these classes please call 1300 366 587 (dial in +61 2 8222 2430 from outside Australia). In most cases the points required for Any Seat Awards booked in these classes are higher than those required for a Classic Award in the same class of travel on the same flight....."

Ok, I'm not sure what you are trying to point out as we are obviously talking about the same thing... My question to medhead still stands!

 

[legroom]

Ok, I'm not sure what you are trying to point out as we are obviously talking about the same thing... My question to medhead still stands!

Your earlier post indicated otherwise.

Each time I've tried to do this for a J fare I get the 'there was a problem with points plus pay... unavailable for this journey' error. Would be very interested to know how you successfully did this.

With phone-assisted MASA booking, there is no such "error" message.

You may bump into Erica who would say "go to web site please" or worse but there is no such error message.

That, to me, seems to indicate you were using the web site to make a JASA booking.

And if so, that is not what this thread is about.

 

[asdf]

legroom, I am sorry you clearly haven't realised that the passage you are fixated on was in direct response to medhead's post (that I quoted in my original statement)

:|

 

[legroom]

legroom, I am sorry you clearly haven't realised that the passage you are fixated on was in direct response to medhead's post (that I quoted in my original statement)

:|

Sounds like you are using the website to make a booking for JASA.

If so, we are not talking about the same thing.

The stuff we are talking about here - JASA - could only be booked by phone, preferably after you have identified some available Classic Awards seat on QF site first.

The ASA you are looking at on the website is not the JASA we are talking about.

Well, we are not talking about the same thing !

This whole thread is about marginal (phone-assisted) ASA booking, not about online ASA at all.

 

[cove]

Is it time to call "Erica ".

 

[V1213]

Sorry if this has been dealt with in the previous 259 pages of this thread; I had a dig but couldn't find anything.

How are people going with getting indirects on the phone?

I'm trying to get PER-ADL-SYD straight through booked with a minimum points payment of 36,000 (as a PER-SYD award should be), but when I call it gets priced as 2 separate legs for a minimum of 60,000 points and therefore is much more expensive $$$-wise as well.

I used to book these online back in the day without any hassle, and it prices correctly as a classic award on the website today, so it is disappointing when the staff on the phone say they can't edit the minimum points pricing and the only way around it would be to fly direct.

I can't see anyone else on here having success with this route in the phone era; is it just no longer possible? Conversely, is it there some way of getting it to price correctly that some staff are unaware of?

 

[ketsuzei]

Sorry if this has been dealt with in the previous 259 pages of this thread; I had a dig but couldn't find anything.

How are people going with getting indirects on the phone?

I'm trying to get PER-ADL-SYD straight through booked with a minimum points payment of 36,000 (as a PER-SYD award should be), but when I call it gets priced as 2 separate legs for a minimum of 60,000 points and therefore is much more expensive $$$-wise as well.

I used to book these online back in the day without any hassle, and it prices correctly as a classic award on the website today, so it is disappointing when the staff on the phone say they can't edit the minimum points pricing and the only way around it would be to fly direct.

I can't see anyone else on here having success with this route in the phone era; is it just no longer possible? Conversely, is it there some way of getting it to price correctly that some staff are unaware of?

According to ExpertFlyer:

PUBLISHED RTG PER-SYD/QF9998/TAR-TGRG EF-30JAN14 DIS-INDEF

/WITHIN THE EASTERN HEMISPHERE/
TRAVEL MUST BE NONSTOP OR DIRECT

 

[legroom]

I had done SYD xMEL PER (J, return) for 72,000 pts + $520.06 (booking in July 2013 for July 2014)

Sorry if this has been dealt with in the previous 259 pages of this thread; I had a dig but couldn't find anything.

How are people going with getting indirects on the phone?

I'm trying to get PER-ADL-SYD straight through booked with a minimum points payment of 36,000 (as a PER-SYD award should be), but when I call it gets priced as 2 separate legs for a minimum of 60,000 points and therefore is much more expensive $$$-wise as well.

I used to book these online back in the day without any hassle, and it prices correctly as a classic award on the website today, so it is disappointing when the staff on the phone say they can't edit the minimum points pricing and the only way around it would be to fly direct.

I can't see anyone else on here having success with this route in the phone era; is it just no longer possible? Conversely, is it there some way of getting it to price correctly that some staff are unaware of?

 

[V1213]

According to ExpertFlyer:

PUBLISHED RTG PER-SYD/QF9998/TAR-TGRG EF-30JAN14 DIS-INDEF

/WITHIN THE EASTERN HEMISPHERE/
TRAVEL MUST BE NONSTOP OR DIRECT

Do the JASAs in U price with the revenue routing rules, as you've quoted, or with the regular award routing rules?

 

[ketsuzei]

Do the JASAs in U price with the revenue routing rules, as you've quoted, or with the regular award routing rules?

I don't have 100% evidence of anything, but I'm yet to come up with a contradiction to the revenue routing rules. If by "regular award routing rules" you mean that something can be booked as a Classic, unfortunately that doesn't seem to matter.

 

[V1213]

I don't have 100% evidence of anything, but I'm yet to come up with a contradiction to the revenue routing rules. If by "regular award routing rules" you mean that something can be booked as a Classic, unfortunately that doesn't seem to matter.

That's a shame.
It appears as though the current revenue rules only allow connecting flights on routes with few or no directs.

I believe this leaves PER-ADL-CBR as the only 36,000 point option from PER that earns 140 SC that would be allowable?
Even PER-SYD-HBA seems to not be a valid revenue routing; one must fly via MEL.

 

[ketsuzei]

How about the following for 160 SCs via SYD or MEL? (I don't know, just speculating)

/WITHIN THE EASTERN HEMISPHERE/MAP CONSTRUCTED LEFT TO RIGHT AND RIGHT TO LEFT
1. PER-SYD/MEL/BNE-CNS

 

[V1213]

How about the following for 160 SCs via SYD or MEL? (I don't know, just speculating)

/WITHIN THE EASTERN HEMISPHERE/MAP CONSTRUCTED LEFT TO RIGHT AND RIGHT TO LEFT
1. PER-SYD/MEL/BNE-CNS

That should earn 160 SCs, but will cost 50,000 points, so not as good value.

 

[ketsuzei]

Mileage Monkey puts it at 2,134 miles, which should leave it squarely in the 1,201-2,400 range for Zone 3 and 36,000 points in J.

 

[V1213]

Mileage Monkey puts it at 2,134 miles, which should leave it squarely in the 1,201-2,400 range for Zone 3 and 36,000 points in J.

I've never seen it for less than 50,000; would be interesting to call and see if it's possible.

 

[ketsuzei]

I've never seen it for less than 50,000; would be interesting to call and see if it's possible.

It's the same principle as why you'll never see CBR-SYD-HBA for 16,000 *as a Classic*. But I don't know if PER-SYD-CNS could be had for 36,000 back in the online days.

There's a fare published for PER-ASP-DRW, so that might be another possibility.

 

[kevrosmith]

It's the same principle as why you'll never see CBR-SYD-HBA for 16,000 *as a Classic*. But I don't know if PER-SYD-CNS could be had for 36,000 back in the online days.

There's a fare published for PER-ASP-DRW, so that might be another possibility.

Yes, you could do PER-SYD-CNS and PER-MEL-CNS for 36K back in the online days.

 

[V1213]

There's a fare published for PER-ASP-DRW, so that might be another possibility.

PER-ASP and ASP-DRW flights are operated by Cobham 717s with no J so that routing's no good for JASAs.
I think I'll test PER-ADL-CBR on the phone to verify that it's at least possible...

 

[ketsuzei]

Another possibility presented by the cancellation of SYD-PER flights is this... might be able to get (say) PER-SYD-SIN for 50,000 and 200 SCs.

PUBLISHED RTG PER-SIN/QF1771/TAR-TGRG EF-27FEB14 DIS-INDEF

/WITHIN THE EASTERN HEMISPHERE/
MAP CONSTRUCTED LEFT TO RIGHT AND RIGHT TO LEFT
1. PER-BNE-SIN
2. PER-BNE/MEL/SYD-SIN