Has Climate Change "reporting" reached "End Game'?

[tgh]

https://www.dicksmithfairgo.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Population-booklet-Tony-Gordon-COMPRESSED.pdf

I have been banging on about this for a while now
Some who who see Dick Smiths name and pass will miss an interesting read.

 

[RooFlyer]

Returning to the subject of climate change reporting.

SBS on their evening news has just told me that last year was the hottest year "EVER!"

That nonsense would have been scripted by some-one, checked and approved by the producer and pre-read by the presenter, at least. Maybe they all believe it ....

 

[DC3]

Returning to the subject of climate change reporting.

SBS on their evening news has just told me that last year was the hottest year "EVER!"

That nonsense would have been scripted by some-one, checked and approved by the producer and pre-read by the presenter, at least. Maybe they all believe it ....

Although, the presenter most likely has no say in what they are required to read (Climate change or otherwise). It’s just a job.

Some of the talking heads probably wouldn’t have a clue on the subject matter, anyway. Not just SBS.

 

[RooFlyer]

Although, the presenter most likely has no say in what they are required to read (Climate change or otherwise). It’s just a job.

Oh, I agree. I was just making the point that this wasn't just some random comment from the presenter ... there were a number of opportunities for someone to say 'hang on - that's not right' - but I suspect that was written/read is what they actually thought.

 

[juddles]

Today, yet again, I forced myself to trawl through the "news". If you removed alarmist headlines and content that talk about records or Climate Armageddon, there would be very few articles left.

But amongst all that that I was sincerely surprised to find an article that is not religious. I will not share a link, as anyone with a modicum of true interest will be able to find it...

But it is from a professional in the fire-fighting management area.

As they say, we have been having enquiries / royal commissions / etc into bushfires for over 80 years. An average of one such enquiry every two years. As the author said, let's just forget another enquiry and instead focus on what the previous ones have said....

IMHO this is what we need to do. But short-term politics and media interest stave off this real course. There is no desire, nor has there ever been, for Good. Everything is just focussed on the media side in doing articles that feed the biggest masses. So they feed and they feed and they foster whatever outrage they can. And right now they have a delicious target of both the current youth generation and also those older ones that want a new religion...

And noone wants to discuss, let alone create outrage or solutions for, the fact that the world population is in an exponential curve of growth. A reality that makes paltry attempts at resource-use control nonsensical.

When was the last time you heard a devout Climate Change warrior discuss population growth.... in the time that dear Greta sailed across the Atlantic to prevent about 5 tonnes of fossil fuel burn emissions, about another 150,000 in human population was added to the planet. Who, due to being mainly poor, will not be able to opt for exorbitant carbon-neutral existences. They will out-Carbon her symbolic act by about a factor of 15,000!!

It is all just an extraordinary pile of cough. The real issue is human population. Human contamination. Rubbish. etc. We "focus" on carbon emissions whilst we massacre old growth forests for wood chip, and at the same time other countries explode in demands and population. I am not into politics, but I realize that the huge factors here are not something that our tiny nation can change,

The sad fact is that if even we went with the obscenities that the charging brigade demands, there will be no real difference. Why can't they go and try t pester the big players, the real problems?? Possibly because that would require them to actually make an effort.

Has anyone ever met a crusader that does not have a sub-two year old phone? Has anyone come across a crusader that can explain what their phone and reality costs the planet?

I have never met one....

 

[Pushka]

Duh. Who would have thought that dark grey paved streets were hotter than well, anything else but black? Rocket Science obviously. Wonder what impact this might have on Adelaide's temperature recordings if it became routine to do this.

Feeling too hot in the city today? Head to Bowen St and you might feel cooler.​

A 100m section of the street has been painted with heat reflective treatments as part of a trial to cool Adelaide streets.

The treatment reduces heat absorption and cools the area, with the potential to drop surface temperatures by up to 14C in some instances.

The $85,000 trial is a collaboration between Climate KIC Australia, Adelaide City Council, and the State Government.

Environment Minister David Speirs said roads, footpaths and buildings draw more heat from the sun, making the area warmer.

“Areas that are hot and uncomfortable are places that people avoid, so by cooling down hot urban areas people will use them boosting the local economy,” Mr Speirs said.

Three types of heat reflective treatments have been painted onto the road – Fulton Hogan created two surfaces and SuperSealing created another.

Consultation, which ends on Friday, February 28, will determine the efficiency of each product, with the best potentially rolled out on to other CBD roads.

 

[Moody]

Returning to the original question, my answer is "Yes".

The positive result from that is I now lump those who deny that human activity is causing climate change (or more simply "deniers"), with ....

• Flat earthers
• Moon landings were faked conspiracy theorists
• Holocaust deniers

The best response to encountering any of these creatures in the wild is to pretend you've just seen an old friend over their shoulder and get as far away as possible. Actually that's not strictly true; the very best response would be to remove them from the gene pool ... but most jurisdictions frown upon that sort of thing.

 

[dajop]

It was a matter of when not if reporting went in this direction ...

Coronavirus: Symptoms Flu And Climate Change

No one will be surprised to hear that there is a worryingly wide range of problems associated with climate change. From extreme weather events to melting ice caps and the extinction of animal species - these have all been well-researched to fall somewhere in the range of ‘likely’ to ‘highly...

www.whatsorb.com

The Next Coronavirus Nightmare Is Closer Than You Think

Climate change makes the risk of novel diseases much more explosive.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[dajop]

The positive result from that is I now lump those who deny that human activity is causing climate change (or more simply "deniers"), with ....

What about those who agree that human activity is causing climate change but think the contribution to that change is not as significant as the majority view.... are they "flat earthers" too...?

 

[Moody]

What about those who agree that human activity is causing climate change but think the contribution to that change is not as significant as the majority view.... are they "flat earthers" too...?

Of course they're not - because they will have peer-reviewed theories and models and evidence of these other contributors to the recent climate changes. Won't they???

 

[Scarlett]

And noone wants to discuss, let alone create outrage or solutions for, the fact that the world population is in an exponential curve of growth. A reality that makes paltry attempts at resource-use control nonsensical.

When was the last time you heard a devout Climate Change warrior discuss population growth.... in the time that dear Greta sailed across the Atlantic to prevent about 5 tonnes of fossil fuel burn emissions, about another 150,000 in human population was added to the planet. Who, due to being mainly poor, will not be able to opt for exorbitant carbon-neutral existences. They will out-Carbon her symbolic act by about a factor of 15,000!!

It is all just an extraordinary pile of cough. The real issue is human population. Human contamination. Rubbish. etc. We "focus" on carbon emissions whilst we massacre old growth forests for wood chip, and at the same time other countries explode in demands and population. I am not into politics, but I realize that the huge factors here are not something that our tiny nation can change,

Has anyone ever met a crusader that does not have a sub-two year old phone? Has anyone come across a crusader that can explain what their phone and reality costs the planet?

I have never met one....

Very well said Juddles. But not often said, because that way of thinking leads to some very uncomfortable end points.
If everyone wants two cars and air-conditioning, but not everyone can have it, then... (you have a very interesting debate)

 

[juddles]

I see that recent events have confirmed my "climate change reporting end-game".

Just as the endless competition to use the most alarming nouns, adjectives, expletives, etc reached a frustrating point where no further mileage could be made of good old Warming, (beacuse there were simply no more terms in the English language that had not already been over used) a brief respite for the media arrived with the season's usual bushfires - which allowed another, albeit short-lived, chance to invent even more alarmist sentences and headings. But even that died quickly as there are only so many times you can sell a story given the limited headings and, well, not much more. The Red Cross angle gained them all a few more days (who doesn't love a rare chance to bag a charity?). The recent heavy rains in many areas seem to appear to have left the media in confusion - they now run these stories as either "Yay, look at the beautiful aussie battler kids playing in the rejoiceful mud", to the die-hards that say the ashes caused by the infernos caused by global warming are now being swept into the rivers and unleashing yet another pestilence... That confusion on which way to run the whole rains thing has truly left them in disarray.

But the whole Climate thing has been on very shaky legs for some weeks now. Apart from the inevitable sheer boredom of the reading masses, some other delights emerged that have almost completely derailed the Climate scandal - such as dear old Megan and ptr exitting the Royal family. Now that is really important! And the painful advance of the Trump impeachment simply adds to the whole loss of interest in the weather....

Now I see that the climate reporting is facing a new and even more fundamental danger - the new virus that has emerged from dear old China. This is great news (pardon the pun?) as it is actually something..... new

I loved when the whole Zika thing appeared - the scientists, in a rare moment of commercial prowess, found themselves talking about a disease that DISFIGURED BABIES!! And they gave the thing a really cool name! "Zika"!! By God the medical research cash flows opened for that one, however short lived that was once a dose of perspective reared its ugly head.

But now, thankfully, we have the new Coronavirus. In future years universities will teach their subjects that a huge error was made in managing this one - as they failed to come up with a cool name like Zika. The actual history / facts should have allowed them to come up with something truly gold, like "E-KARMA-B", short for "Eating Koala And Random Meats Are Bad !" I think they let their commercial guard down there, as being scientists they rationally thought that a new plague born in festering live-exotic-animals-for-food markets was shocking enough.

Now we have a situation where suddenly the media has essentially dropped the whole Climate thingy. Suddenly a cold that has killed a couple of hundred people rates twenty times as much media coverage as the Climate thing that was predicting doom for ALL OF HUMANITY!! Yes, there is the (hopefully for reporters) possibility that an aussie or three perishes. But for now the headlines can just scream that a fifth aussie has a runny nose....

Not sure how this whole E-KARMA-B will play out - I expect that for a month or two there will be endless stories of how a 6th, 7th, maybe 20th aussie has been stricken with a cold. There will no doubt be endless predictions of doom - yawn...... It could turn out to something significant - say if a half a million die just like malaria still manages each year.

But I really think that finding new stories about Climate Change will be much harder in the future.

 

[drron]

Oh I don't think it is going to be hard @juddles.Why just this week I have seen headlines-
Climate Change means an extra 180000 rapes by 2099.

Antarctica reached tipping point in 2019 so massive sea rise is inevitable.

Humans are responsible for 110% of global warming-Michael Mann.

Climate Change is causing depression in puppies.

3,300,000 extra cases of malaria if warming not limited to 1.5C

Meanwhile here in Latrobe everyone at work is bracing for a heatwave tomorrow with the predicted max 29C.Yet from Friday evening and over the weekend this is the summer snowfall predicted.

.

 

[Deleted member]

Although, the presenter most likely has no say in what they are required to read (Climate change or otherwise). It’s just a job.

Some of the talking heads probably wouldn’t have a clue on the subject matter, anyway. Not just SBS.

Parroting everything put in front of one , doesn’t make one a journalist.

 

[Deleted member]

I see that recent events have confirmed my "climate change reporting end-game".

Just as the endless competition to use the most alarming nouns, adjectives, expletives, etc reached a frustrating point where no further mileage could be made of good old Warming, (beacuse there were simply no more terms in the English language that had not already been over used) a brief respite for the media arrived with the season's usual bushfires - which allowed another, albeit short-lived, chance to invent even more alarmist sentences and headings. But even that died quickly as there are only so many times you can sell a story given the limited headings and, well, not much more. The Red Cross angle gained them all a few more days (who doesn't love a rare chance to bag a charity?). The recent heavy rains in many areas seem to appear to have left the media in confusion - they now run these stories as either "Yay, look at the beautiful aussie battler kids playing in the rejoiceful mud", to the die-hards that say the ashes caused by the infernos caused by global warming are now being swept into the rivers and unleashing yet another pestilence... That confusion on which way to run the whole rains thing has truly left them in disarray.

But the whole Climate thing has been on very shaky legs for some weeks now. Apart from the inevitable sheer boredom of the reading masses, some other delights emerged that have almost completely derailed the Climate scandal - such as dear old Megan and ptr exitting the Royal family. Now that is really important! And the painful advance of the Trump impeachment simply adds to the whole loss of interest in the weather....

Now I see that the climate reporting is facing a new and even more fundamental danger - the new virus that has emerged from dear old China. This is great news (pardon the pun?) as it is actually something..... new

I loved when the whole Zika thing appeared - the scientists, in a rare moment of commercial prowess, found themselves talking about a disease that DISFIGURED BABIES!! And they gave the thing a really cool name! "Zika"!! By God the medical research cash flows opened for that one, however short lived that was once a dose of perspective reared its ugly head.

But now, thankfully, we have the new Coronavirus. In future years universities will teach their subjects that a huge error was made in managing this one - as they failed to come up with a cool name like Zika. The actual history / facts should have allowed them to come up with something truly gold, like "E-KARMA-B", short for "Eating Koala And Random Meats Are Bad !" I think they let their commercial guard down there, as being scientists they rationally thought that a new plague born in festering live-exotic-animals-for-food markets was shocking enough.

Now we have a situation where suddenly the media has essentially dropped the whole Climate thingy. Suddenly a cold that has killed a couple of hundred people rates twenty times as much media coverage as the Climate thing that was predicting doom for ALL OF HUMANITY!! Yes, there is the (hopefully for reporters) possibility that an aussie or three perishes. But for now the headlines can just scream that a fifth aussie has a runny nose....

Not sure how this whole E-KARMA-B will play out - I expect that for a month or two there will be endless stories of how a 6th, 7th, maybe 20th aussie has been stricken with a cold. There will no doubt be endless predictions of doom - yawn...... It could turn out to something significant - say if a half a million die just like malaria still manages each year.

But I really think that finding new stories about Climate Change will be much harder in the future.

The biggest difference between this climate alarm and the last one, is social media.

 

[RooFlyer]

Of course they're not - because they will have peer-reviewed theories and models and evidence of these other contributors to the recent climate changes. Won't they???

Yes! Many! And the reason you've never heard about the resulting papers, let alone read them is ..... ? And peer reviewed? I've had peer reviewed scientific papers published and have constructed many 'peer reviewed models' (and have reviewed the peer reviews of someone else's models) and I don't think the process is entirely what you think it is, or have been led to believe. The amount of garbage that goes through to the keeper in 'peer review' is not something to be proud of.

The positive result from that is I now lump those who deny that human activity is causing climate change (or more simply "deniers"), with ....

• Flat earthers
• Moon landings were faked conspiracy theorists
• Holocaust deniers

Oh and when insult and name calling are part (or, often, most of) one side of the 'debate', its already conceded. So, job done, ta-ta all.

 

[OATEK]

I think people on both sides of this debate are in furious agreement here.

Maybe if the right-wing religious people would let birth control and sex education become widespread and common place then there could be a reduction in the number of people on this fragile planet?

Educating women and letting them fully participate in society will also mean fewer children with the benefit of them also being better educated and more productive members of society.

Certainly, birth control is an issue. But it is not right wingers in Africa, for example. that encourage families to have large families. It is not that long ago the half of all children born in Tanzania died before age 5. (I remember having to construct life tables for Tanzania in a Demography course around 1990).

Families need to produce enough children to support the parents in their older age. I had a Kenyan woman in my home for afternoon tea one day who had lost 4 of her 9 children.

So there are many economic and social factors at work in this space. And the only country that has managed to rein in population growth was China with its one child policy - perhaps you prefer that left wing approach.

 

[Pushka]

What about those who agree that human activity is causing climate change but think the contribution to that change is not as significant as the majority view.... are they "flat earthers" too...?

I have not met one person who has denied that climate change exists. Ergo, I have not met any deniers. For those who have considered other causes to climate change other than what Mother Nature provides, and which include the impacts of man, the current rush to do everything carbon related and not look to other causes as well is extremely frustrating and will not produce any result.

And until I see extreme groups and even less extreme groups who actually modify their lifestyle according to their own principles - no mobile, no air conditioning, no flights, no computers, and so on, well, I don’t listen anymore to those who are just angry shouty people whatever their flavour.

Seriously, a climate change conference in Davos that required helicopters to bring people in?

 

[RooFlyer]

Seriously, a climate change conference in Davos that required helicopters to bring people in?

And the climate change conference in Cancún where the Aust Dept Climate Change flew 10 people First Class and a whole squadron went Business Class .

“Real action on climate change” ( TM) is only for the little people, you know. The shouty elites are above all that!!

Oops, I’m not meant to be here!

 

[stm1sydney]

Returning to the original question, my answer is "Yes".

The positive result from that is I now lump those who deny that human activity is causing climate change (or more simply "deniers"), with ....

• Flat earthers
• Moon landings were faked conspiracy theorists
• Holocaust deniers

The best response to encountering any of these creatures in the wild is to pretend you've just seen an old friend over their shoulder and get as far away as possible. Actually that's not strictly true; the very best response would be to remove them from the gene pool ... but most jurisdictions frown upon that sort of thing.

And that is exactly why normal, well-balanced people are being turned off by the hate, and no longer listening to the shrieks of St Greta etc, but instead reviewing the data themselves, and finding that actually the science shows that CAGW is not a thing.