Heads up about program changes

[ketsuzei]

"A: If you have flights booked (booked and ticketed prior to Sat 29 Mar 2014) for travel on/after 1 July 2014, you will earn the Qantas Points and Status credits that applied at the time you made your booking."

So, a flight booked and ticketed prior to March 29 and then changed and re-ticketed earns at which rate?

 

[katiebell]

Just noticed that partner economy & premium economy earn the same SC. The whole partney business is abysmal and the more I look the more bad things i find.

 

[medhead]

"A: If you have flights booked (booked and ticketed prior to Sat 29 Mar 2014) for travel on/after 1 July 2014, you will earn the Qantas Points and Status credits that applied at the time you made your booking."

So, a flight booked and ticketed prior to March 29 and then changed and re-ticketed earns at which rate?

Good question. I don't think we'll find out the answer until someone takes the first such flight and reports here. However, things like double status credit eligibility when using pre purchased gift vouchers tend to take eligibility from the voucher purchase date, which is probably equivalent to the booking date.

 

[Danger]

"A: If you have flights booked (booked and ticketed prior to Sat 29 Mar 2014) for travel on/after 1 July 2014, you will earn the Qantas Points and Status credits that applied at the time you made your booking."

So, a flight booked and ticketed prior to March 29 and then changed and re-ticketed earns at which rate?

This is identical to my situation referred to a few posts back. From the verbal information given to me by a QF agent, it will go on the original booking date. I've asked for it in writing. Strangely, the ultra quick turnaround with my originally query has not been repeated this time round. It gives no certainty and if that remains, my earning strategy for the second half of this year changes dramatically.

 

[ketsuzei]

I did the old "upgrade JASA to FASA with cash" trick (get it while it lasts!) this afternoon, and would actually be better off until the new points regime. But I'd really just like to know definitively one way or the other for planning purposes. If it really does all go by the booking initiation date, that should be easy enough to clarify.

 

[TheEmu]

John try working with superannuation legislation since 1983/84 like I have if you find that frustrating. Canberra change the rules more often than QA change their FF program. We we tell our super fund members "this is the rules for this year. We frankly have no idea what the rules will be for next year."Fund members nearing retirement get rather upset about the uncertainty!!...

Don't get me started on the "World's Greatest Treasurer"...*blood starts to bubble*...

 

[basso]

If the initial price of what they were selling was too cheap for their liking, then a price hike (using A or B from above) would solve the problem and allow people to keep consuming the product. If QF was concerned about double-dipping re double SC promos then these MASAs could easily have been excluded from them.

If you go back to the very first post on this thread, you will see that the reason given was about people getting status without Qantas getting the revenue. So, the initial price was too low, but for them to get, what they see as the appropriate revenue, a reprice would have the price up near the price of a revenue ticket anyway.

 

[medhead]

Don't get me started on the "World's Greatest Treasurer"...*blood starts to bubble*...

What are you on about? Last I checked Keating ceased to have any chance to change super laws in about 1997. Or are you trying to pretend that he is responsible for super law changes since then. As a fund member my recollection of frequency of super changes was greatest under Howard.

If you have some other point, name one other country that has enjoyed continuous economic growth since, what?, 1991.

 

[medhead]

If you go back to the very first post on this thread, you will see that the reason given was about people getting status without Qantas getting the revenue. So, the initial price was too low, but for them to get, what they see as the appropriate revenue, a reprice would have the price up near the price of a revenue ticket anyway.

As I have discovered that is not true of the current range of online products.

 

[basso]

[/B] As I have discovered that is not true of the current range of online products.

I guess you've discovered something I haven't (yet - maybe the discovery is yet to come!) Anyway, Qantas don't see the revenue as being there. That would also explain why they aren't likely to give status on a classic award (promotions aside) - lack of revenue.

 

[Newk]

I guess you've discovered something I haven't (yet - maybe the discovery is yet to come!) Anyway, Qantas don't see the revenue as being there. That would also explain why they aren't likely to give status on a classic award (promotions aside) - lack of revenue.

mmmm...everything has a price. They price SCs on Jetstar flights. Medhead's idea is entirely logical

 

[basso]

mmmm...everything has a price. They price SCs on Jetstar flights. Medhead's idea is entirely logical

Everything has a price, but you are missing the point - it is about revenue. You can't just go and buy a Jetstar bundle, it is attached to a fare. The total revenue to the Qantas group is the overall price.

 

[JohnK]

Everything has a price, but you are missing the point - it is about revenue. You can't just go and buy a Jetstar bundle, it is attached to a fare. The total revenue to the Qantas group is the overall price.

Yes you are quite right. The Jetstar bundle is attached to a $9 airfare matched to Tiger with First lounge access.

Jetstar may have been a good idea when Qantas created them. Time to let Jetstar go and allow Jetstar to fend for themselves.

 

[basso]

Yes you are quite right. The Jetstar bundle is attached to a $9 airfare matched to Tiger

Nope, can't add a bundle to a price match. Funny that.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Everything has a price, but you are missing the point - it is about revenue. You can't just go and buy a Jetstar bundle, it is attached to a fare. The total revenue to the Qantas group is the overall price.

I still can't see the difference....

with a classic award (or mASA) QF gets the fare from QFFF. the extra fees and charges over and above the fuel and taxes = buying SCs and points.

with JQ the base fare is the same starting point as a classic (or mASA) award. the bundle is simply extra fees and charges for buying SCs and points.

the fare is the fare in both cases. the 'extra cash' buys the same thing with each.

 

[JohnK]

Nope, can't add a bundle to a price match. Funny that.

You know what I meant.

On average people are going to earn 10 SCs and 1,000 QFF points for much, much cheaper Jetstar airfares.

Qantas should have kept the minimum 1,000 point guarantee on Qantas airfares as that was a huge selling point over Virgin airfares. Looks and feels totally wrong from where I am sitting but that could be because I am looking at the laptop screen on the wrong angle. I don't know.

 

[Newk]

I still can't see the difference....

with a classic award (or mASA) QF gets the fare from QFFF. the extra fees and charges over and above the fuel and taxes = buying SCs and points.

with JQ the base fare is the same starting point as a classic (or mASA) award. the bundle is simply extra fees and charges for buying SCs and points.

the fare is the fare in both cases. the 'extra cash' buys the same thing with each.

Thanks, you have said it much more eloquently (and politely) than I was able to muster

 

[froggerADL]

On average people are going to earn 10 SCs and 1,000 QFF points for much, much cheaper Jetstar airfares.

And from July 1 the JQ SCs will double!

 

[JohnK]

And from July 1 the JQ SCs will double!

Are you sure? I thought they were the same.

 

[medhead]

I guess you've discovered something I haven't (yet - maybe the discovery is yet to come!) Anyway, Qantas don't see the revenue as being there. That would also explain why they aren't likely to give status on a classic award (promotions aside) - lack of revenue.

I've discovered something that no one here is likely to consider.

My idea is to have a bundle for classic awards. Just as it works for Jetstar it is entirely logical, it allows Qantas to set the price they want and it can also include things like the ability to upgrade. The last being another important difference between MASA and classic awards.