Heads up about program changes

[11sjw]

It's not a matter of would I. With nearly all of my status from International flights, it's more "what choice do I have?". Sure from PER to Asia on CX earns at a good rate, what about anything from there on? Or do I have to fly to Sydney or Melbourne first to get a reasonable SC return?

Can you reach OWE through CX?

 

[JohnK]

Can you reach OWE through CX?

From my understanding not easily.

 

[medhead]

Rip van winkle would have trouble with those tables after waking up from 100 years asleep. Alarm bells should be going off at mascot somewhere if the new simple tables are causing so much confusion.

The other thing in the back of my min is that while Y- and Y might earn the same now, there is nothing to stop them changing that later.

I'm not sure if JQ plus bundle being economy is justified. But I do have one example of a JQ fare that is 2/3rds of the cost of the equivalent QF fare but possibly results in a lower loss. Maybe that is a good thing for Qantas.

It's is worth noting that a Y Max bundle costs heaps.

 

[amaroo]

Yes the Emirates partnership and transitting the desert.

Huge mistake from Qantas and probably the final straw for the inevitable.

In my opinion Oneworld without Qantas is a waste of time to get status. Very limited coverage in Australia.

And VA! What can you say? I would be depressed if I had to fly that airline every week.

Not many left JK.....QF, TT, [-]J*, VA[/-]

 

[Awesom Andy]

From my understanding not easily.

120,000 miles per year. Even on CX (home carrier), some deep discount Y buckets earn zero, some earn at 25%. J earns at 125%. You can also qualify based on the number of sectors. No status bonus with MPC either, so a diamond (OWE), your earn/burn rate can be worse than QF WP. In return for the seriously deep requirements, on CX flights, you get a guaranteed Y, Y+ or J seat 24 hours before departure, 15kg of carry-on luggage, and access to CX/KA-operated J lounges regardless of which airline you are flying with. Upgrades are confirmed instantly, and does not go through a "lottery".

Although if you don't fly very much, fly mostly on CX/KA and only cares about lounge access, you can get into the CX/KA J lounges as a silver (OWR) when flying on CX/KA flights.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

120,000 miles per year. Even on CX (home carrier), some deep discount Y buckets earn zero, some earn at 25%. J earns at 125%. You can also qualify based on the number of sectors. No status bonus with MPC either, so a diamond (OWE), your earn/burn rate can be worse than QF WP. In return for the seriously deep requirements, on CX flights, you get a guaranteed Y, Y+ or J seat 24 hours before departure, 15kg of carry-on luggage, and access to CX/KA-operated J lounges regardless of which airline you are flying with. Upgrades are confirmed instantly, and does not go through a "lottery".

Although if you don't fly very much, fly mostly on CX/KA and only cares about lounge access, you can get into the CX/KA J lounges as a silver (OWR) when flying on CX/KA flights.

A couple of my friends qualified for diamond last year, monthly full fare business class Aisa-Europe plus various intra-asia.

One of the benefits is fairly frequent upgrades to F, plus accommodation in the F cabin on flights sold as three class only. They're pretty happy with it. (Although perhaps understandably a little bored flying CX so much.)

 

[Pablo]

Sorry. But you will not get 20 SC. Both discount economy and economy earn 10 SC. As already mentioned Jetstar with plus bundle is economy not flexible economy.

Thanks medhead - I've found it so confusing when looking at all the tables.

 

[Pablo]

Indeed - and apologies to Pablo in particular for the error; I'll blame fatigue for misreading that horrendous new table. The earn is greater the further you travel; for domestic travel, economy is the same as discount economy (WTF), and Max bundles will get you your 1.5/2x credits (although points vary by some random meaningless scale). The benefits are more pronounced for medium/long-haul international travel. I should have been more specific in my earlier post, so sorry for the mislead!

Doesn't prevent rorting those $29 fares to Avalon though. I don't necessarily have a problem with JQ, but I do have an issue with QF degrading their own Y & OW Partner earn rates whilst also bumping up points/status earn on some JQ routes. Financially it makes sense, but it still doesn't justify screwing customers on the basis that the competition is better.

No problems aamslfc - it's totally confusing.

 

[Awesom Andy]

Thanks medhead - I've found it so confusing when looking at all the tables.

No... it can't be that confusing... QF says it's simpler and fairer!

 

[sumthinfornuthin]

No... it can't be that confusing... QF says it's simpler and fairer!

Maybe we are the simple ones and can't comprehend the new simpler,fairer program ???

somehow I don't think so !

 

[medhead]

Confusion isn't the word for it. I thought the same about JQ with plus, until a triple check. I know at least 2 others who have also posted the same and now you guys. As I said:

Alarm bells should be going off at mascot somewhere if the new simple tables are causing so much confusion.

There is also nothing to stop them increasing the earn for economy over discount economy in the future. I'll be willing to bet that happens at some stage, and then paying JQ less money will earn more. Good thing they aligned earning with what people pay.

 

[JohnK]

Not many left JK.....QF, TT, [-]J*, VA[/-]

Didn't say I wouldn't fly VA. I would be depressed if I had to fly them every week.

And JQ could be a separate entity by then.

 

[moa999]

Going through the JQ rules: Fare Rules | Jetstar for post 1 July 2014

Economy - No points / SCs
Economy Plus - Economy Points / SCs
Economy Max - Flexible Economy Points / SCs
Business - No points / SCs
Business Max - Business Points / SCs


So for example on the new JQ23 MEL-NRT (random date in August)
Economy - $299 - 0 SC
Economy Plus - $349 - 40 SC
Economy Max - $944 - 60 SC
Business - $799 - 0 SC
Business Max - $999 - 120 SC

Definitely one bundle that isn't good value!

 

[Pleb Status]

I would have had more respect for QF if they had just said 'We need the money so we have cut the points earn on cheap tickets'. Not this 'fairer and simpler' rubbish.

Cut the earn on Red edeals/Sale tickets to 0.75 (to match J earn on QR!) and the minimum points guarantee to 750. Simple to understand but difficult to sell.

Looking at the partner status credit earn, CX and QR have been targeted for some serious SC earn reductions. One slight positive (or should I say less negative), CX and QR status earn ex PER is far better than from the east coast even though we are closer to HKG and DOH.

 

[medhead]

Going through the JQ rules: Fare Rules | Jetstar for post 1 July 2014

Economy - No points / SCs
Economy Plus - Economy Points / SCs
Economy Max - Flexible Economy Points / SCs
Business - No points / SCs
Business Max - Business Points / SCs


So for example on the new JQ23 MEL-NRT (random date in August)
Economy - $299 - 0 SC
Economy Plus - $349 - 40 SC
Economy Max - $944 - 60 SC
Business - $799 - 0 SC
Business Max - $999 - 120 SC

Definitely one bundle that isn't good value!

This does bring up the situation where a JQ plus pack does earn more than Qantas discount economy. International flights.

Random august date, MEL-NRT QF MEL-SYD-NRT $649-$707 earning 30 SC More than twice as much, so much for aligning earning to the money we pay.

Then if we take the JQ MEL-SYD QF SYD-NRt option - $726. At least you get the exercise of collecting and rechecking your luggage.

If we bump up to PE for SYD-NRT then the price jumps to $1144 for 60 SC.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Economy Max - $944 - 60 SC
Business Max - $999 - 120 SC

Must be a mistake! Cause under fairer and simpler - like the budget we had to have - the age of entitlement is over and points and SCs are only earned in relation to spend.

Or... the other way of looking at it... is that an extra $55 = 60SC, which is about the same as the bundles we were paying for extra SCs under mASAs!

 

[whatmeworry]

I would have had more respect for QF if they had just said 'We need the money so we have cut the points earn on cheap tickets'. Not this 'fairer and simpler' rubbish.

Cut the earn on Red edeals/Sale tickets to 0.75 (to match J earn on QR!) and the minimum points guarantee to 750. Simple to understand but difficult to sell.

Looking at the partner status credit earn, CX and QR have been targeted for some serious SC earn reductions. One slight positive (or should I say less negative), CX and QR status earn ex PER is far better than from the east coast even though we are closer to HKG and DOH.

How I read it, is QF is raiding the golden goose that is QFF. It is the most valuable part of the company, so instead of fix the rest of the company, let's suck QFF dry.

 

[Pleb Status]

How I read it, is QF is raiding the golden goose that is QFF. It is the most valuable part of the company, so instead of fix the rest of the company, let's suck QFF dry.

I see these changes as a precursor to the float of the QFF scheme. The new owners of the QFF scheme (even if QF maintain a majority shareholding) will most likely require a long term (3 to 5 year) commitment from QF with regards to anticipated revenue, as QF will be one of the QFF scheme's biggest customers.

If QF was to float the QFF scheme and then purchase far less points than anticipated (due to further cuts in earning from QF flights etc), this would adversely effect the revenue of the new company. Therefore, QF needs to do any major points earning adjustments before the float or wait three or five years after the float to do it.

A silver lining of a float may be the elimination of DSC promotions, as a 'fake' increase in status will increase QF's points expenditure to the new company (and not just an internal transfer of funds as it is now).

 

[moa999]

Albeit not having the ability to potentially offer a DSC programme would be revenue negative for Qantas as I'm sure it does make a difference in peoples choice of airline

 

[aamslfc]

This does bring up the situation where a JQ plus pack does earn more than Qantas discount economy. International flights.

Another subtle hint from QF to "just bugger off and fly JQ already". I suppose JQ long-haul can't be too bad; I've flown Scoot to SIN and I can't see JQ being worse than that.

So for example on the new JQ23 MEL-NRT (random date in August)
Economy Plus - $349 - 40 SC
Economy Max - $944 - 60 SC
Business Max - $999 - 120 SC

That's one hell of a Y bundle :shock:

Lower price, more credits compared to QF. I thought the mantra was "spend more, earn more"... The idiocy is quite magnificent.