I choose not to fly via Dubai. OK, but why ???

[JohnPhelan]

Ok yes, you are right, Jews from Israel are not allowed in. But that is because they are from Israel, not because of their religion.

Being Jewish is irrelevant - no-one from Israel (i.e. travelling on an Israeli passport) is allowed in.

 

[haggiscat]

Refusing entry to residents of Vatican City would have nothing to do with Catholics, I suppose?

Im QF Platinum and a weekly flyer and I enjoy my regular jaunts to the gay bars of England, but not via a third world caliphate.

 

[ajw373]

someone let me know when Jews are allowed into the UAE. I don't intend to transit through a country where I am prevented from leaving the international airport. Anyone think that is unreasonable? Anti semites to the fore of the queue.

Simple. A Jew can enter the UAE when they are travelling on a passport that is not an Israeli one. As mentioned before the UAE and other parts of the middle east are not anti Jew but anti Israel, there is a massive difference. In fact Islam recognises Judaism and Christianity as valid books of faith, not surprising when many of the core beliefs of all 3 come from Abraham.

 

[medhead]

Every country has a gay scene, even the most repressive one, simply due to the fact that gay people live everywhere and find each other in any country regardless of geography. However, there's a gay scene and a gay scene

A friend of mine taught English in Saudi Arabia and enjoyed their underground gay scene (not terribly thriving but still existing through private parties on villas with male servants) until one lovely day when he was arrested on the street by the religious police while simply talking to a male student of his, not touching or kissing or anything like that, simply talking (they must've followed him on a tip off, he was not sure about the reason but suspected someone let the police know he was gay). He was thrown into jail for 19 days, beaten and humiliated, not allowed to make a phone call to the British Embassy. His employer British Council did not know either where he was or what was happening to him until he was released.
19 days later he was released without explanation and deported in 24 hours. Never has set foot anywhere in the Middle East since and I don't blame him

I'm not saying Dubai is like that. Just a little story about a gay scene in a super conservative Islamic country, to put things into a perspective

Perhaps you need to start a thread about why you won't transit in Saudi Arabia. Because this has very little to do with this thread topic.

 

[Fruitcake]

If it is really about pedantism, VA did not use Johannesburg and coughet as transit hubs. The situation with DXB/SIN is different

Kaledemir posted about "dropping routes" to shift to a new hub. VA certainly did drop "routes" to JNB and HKT to launch a hub in AUH.

 

[sergeyvzn]

Perhaps you need to start a thread about why you won't transit in Saudi Arabia. Because this has very little to do with this thread topic.

I agree, actually. My story had little to do with the topic. Just as much as the entry it was a reply to

 

[medhead]

I think it was some numpty referring to the inherent homophobia in this despicably despotic little corner of Arabia. Or am I being discriminatory in saying that? I'm not sure which trumps which in the PC stakes, supporting gay rights or venerating third world dumps which hate Jews, raped women and homosexuals.

Making up cough to support an imagined problem still makes them a numpty. Qantas is not an aboriginal term, it is just outright stupid to say that and then try to claim some sort of cultural superiority.

Also Do you claim there is no homophobia anywhere else in the world? Take Malaysia for example, why do you not protest at qantas for sponsoring Malaysian airlines into oneworld given the anti-gay laws in Malaysia. Why do you think SIN is acceptable given their anti-gay laws and, I can only assume based on your statements so far, inherent homophobia?

 

[Shelf]

Sometimes the interweb is epic.

Someone slip a padlock on this thread.

 

[support]

Sometimes the interweb is epic.

Someone slip a padlock on this thread.

No need to lock the thread but there is a need for some people to remember what the topic is again and to go back posting on topic and to stop trolling.

Thank you ladies, gentlemen and others.

 

[codash1099]

Indeed, it would have been slightly embarassing for Emirates to not let the CEO of Qantas, an airline they've just signed up a partnership with, into Dubai on the basis of him being gay.

Following the old South African practice, perhaps they made him and "honorary straight" :mrgreen:

 

[codash1099]

Ok yes, you are right, Jews from Israel are not allowed in. But that is because they are from Israel, not because of their religion.

That's a convenient excuse for anti-semitism.

 

[gmartin010]

That's a convenient excuse for anti-semitism.

I agree 100%.

I am certain a Syrian can travel to Dubai no questions asked despite the holocaust happening in that country. Similarly there is no policy against Chinese travelling there despite its brutal occupation of Tibet. So ask yourself the question why is it Israelis who are singled out as being unable to enter the UAE?

This policy of no Israelis is nothing but a thinly veiled attempt at retricting as many Jews as possible from entering the country. I have a mate named Goldstein who was travelling on a South African passport with no Israeli stamps in his passport. He was pulled aside and questioned at length about his intentions on entering the UAE.

 

[medhead]

Everyone is entitled to their reason as per this thread. One issue is when those reasons boil down to "it's a big bad world out there". The obvious question to me is how do you leave Australia at all?

 

[medhead]

That's a convenient excuse for anti-semitism.

It's not an excuse it is just not anti-semitism. Any person of any religion travelling on an Israeli passport faces the same restriction. That includes the 2% Christians, 1.6% Druze and 3.7% others of the population of Israel. I dare say even the 17% Muslims if they are on an Israeli passport.

This policy of no Israelis is nothing but a thinly veiled attempt at retricting as many Jews as possible from entering the country. I have a mate named Goldstein who was travelling on a South African passport with no Israeli stamps in his passport. He was pulled aside and questioned at length about his intentions on entering the UAE.

And was your friend let into the country?

 

[SeatBackForward]

That's a convenient excuse for anti-semitism.

Is it also a convenient excuse to explain why a Christian Israeli isn't allowed in? what about a Muslim Israeli, heck even an Aethist Israeli isn't allowed into the UAE. Your subtle bluring of the definition would work if being Jewish is available only exclusively to citizens of Israel, which its not.

 

[SeatBackForward]

I agree 100%.

I am certain a Syrian can travel to Dubai no questions asked despite the holocaust happening in that country. Similarly there is no policy against Chinese travelling there despite its brutal occupation of Tibet. So ask yourself the question why is it Israelis who are singled out as being unable to enter the UAE?

This policy of no Israelis is nothing but a thinly veiled attempt at retricting as many Jews as possible from entering the country. I have a mate named Goldstein who was travelling on a South African passport with no Israeli stamps in his passport. He was pulled aside and questioned at length about his intentions on entering the UAE.

Do you accept that Jews exist outside Israel? Do you accept that Jews can be citizens of countries other than Israel? or has something radical happend to Judaism since QF flew through Dubai?

 

[NM]

This thread has once again gone way off topic and rather than go through and delete a large number of off-topic posts, I am going to close this thread and create a new one with some very specific thread guidelines.

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