IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALAEA

[VHOEJ]

Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

I tell you what, the longer this goes on, the less public suppor their is for the unions. The comments in the below story say it all:Qantas passengers warned of flight disruptions in January from union strikes | News.com.au

So if the unions think they are winning the PR battle, they are failing. The public are the only supporters you will have and they are not supporting you.

 

[QF WP]

Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

When 12 to 13 comments are pro-QF, seems to me that the unions are definitely losing the battle...and on their way to losing their members' jobs as well (who are much better paid than VA). Stupidity from the union bosses, but they won't back down now, they won't want to admit to losing the battle....it wasn't theirs to win

 

[VHOEJ]

Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

And the letter writers are joining in - I hate to copy and paste an editorial but this sums it up very well:


Daily Telegraph, Page: 20
Tuesday, 11 October 2011

THE deliberate campaign of chaos and brinksmanship being orchestrated by the various unions at war with Qantas has now reached almost scorched earth proportions.

First is their absurdly transparent tactic of calling off strikes at the last minute then pleading innocence when disruptions still occur.

It has got to the point where one union is actively urging people to fly with other carriers.

One wonders who on earth they expect to pay for their wage increases if nobody is buying tickets.

This failure of logic, coupled with the contempt the unions are showing the travelling public, raises real concerns.

Chief among them is one of judgment: If unions are prepared to act against not just the public’s interest but also their own interest, whose benefit are they now pretending to serve?

 

[el_rooto]

Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

Can someone with better video editing skills dub an inverview with Purvinas with "They tuk errr jerbs" from southpark?

 

[Archphoto]

Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

Hmmm, some 2009 data from US based airlines' CEO paypackets here and the AP data set for all S&P500 companies in 2009 here.

Still trawling for other relevant up-to-date data for 2010....this is an interesting site

Would be interesting to see the comparison in converted currencies too.

 

[drron]

Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

I beg to differ on the basis of being a past professional aviation participant with many friends on the frontline, if we forget the 5000 or so already gone in the last two big sweeps of 2009 and 2006 here is whats happening:

120 Pilots jobs to Emirates on furlough
350 Cabin crew in addition to the 150 from 2009

In terms of engineers:

20-30 in Base Maintenance Sydney due to the retirement of 4 x 747-400 aircraft.

128 LAMEs across the country due to the commencement of maintenance on demand.


Thats close to 800 jobs alone at the frontline that will be gone OS from this round, if we factor in Jetconnect, overseas heavy maintenance (OGG just got back from a repaint) and overseas cabin crew organisations, its very much a case of jobs going overseas, if your still not sure hop on JQ35 SYD-MEL and look at the crew makeup!

Sorry,dodgy figures.150 cabin crew you ad mit were from 2009.
120 pilots to Emirates-ie not to QF OS jobs.many professions have people working OS for part or all their lives.
20-30 in Base Maintenance sydney-planes gone,jobs gone.not OS
128 LAMES-if QF domestic those jobs gone,not OS.If longhaul isn't that a lot to do with the A380-the decision not to have those serviced in Australia was surely taken when ordering-ie long before AJ's watch.

So really only the 350 cabin staff if longhaul can claim that their jobs have gone OS-but then wasn't that when JQ took over QF's OS sectors out of Australia.Again a decision taken well before this latest round of cuts.

And when did QF run regional services out of Vietnam,SIN and Japan.These are new jobs,not aussie jobs taken OS.

Then again in a further post you bring up CX having crew bases in Australia-so QF on that logic should have crew bases in cities they serve.
And yes I do know CX and SIN flight crew living on the Sunshine coast as well as EY cabin crew.It actually makes sense to me for airlines to do this.

 

[simongr]

Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

Would be interesting to see the comparison in converted currencies too.

I would be very wary of doing that as Australian salaries have significantly "increased" over the past few years as other currencies weaken (esp US$ and GBP) - my salary has gone up about 70% despite my salary actually increasing 3%.

Also I would be interested to see ROCE compared as well (can't truly compare absolute profits given the relative sizes of fleets).

 

[markis10]

128 LAMES-if QF domestic those jobs gone,not OS.If longhaul isn't that a lot to do with the A380-the decision not to have those serviced in Australia was surely taken when ordering-ie long before AJ's watch.
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What's Doemstic got to do with it when it comes to the LAME job losses, where has the domestic heavy maintenance gone cough cough SIN . And yes the A380 decision was on AJs watch and recent in context.

 

[Archphoto]

Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

I would be very wary of doing that as Australian salaries have significantly "increased" over the past few years as other currencies weaken (esp US$ and GBP) - my salary has gone up about 70% despite my salary actually increasing 3%.

Also I would be interested to see ROCE compared as well (can't truly compare absolute profits given the relative sizes of fleets).

If that's the case (and maybe I'm a bit thick in this regard), how can the statement "highest paid CEO" be applied? I'm not defending anyone, just wonder how one can *accurately* compare salaries without some base figure to work with. From where I'm standing, seems to be an "apples vs. oranges" analogy if we can't have a base currency for comparison.

Or would it be better to compare on a % of actual profits: airline profit vs, CEO salary?

 

[simongr]

Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

If that's the case (and maybe I'm a bit thick in this regard), how can the statement "highest paid CEO" be applied? I'm not defending anyone, just wonder how one can *accurately* compare salaries without some base figure to work with. From where I'm standing, seems to be an "apples vs. oranges" analogy if we can't have a base currency for comparison.

Or would it be better to compare on a % of actual profits: airline profit vs, CEO salary?

If doing the comparison I would standardise the currencies but you would need normalise exchange rates from when the remuneration was agreed as well. I don't think converting everything to X currency and just saying X is highest paid would be meaningful other than as a pissing contest.

 

[Archphoto]

Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

If doing the comparison I would standardise the currencies but you would need normalise exchange rates from when the remuneration was agreed as well. I don't think converting everything to X currency and just saying X is highest paid would be meaningful other than as a pissing contest.

Ah, that could be done via some of the exchange calculators online that allow for a specific date I guess? x-rates.com is one my PA in Australia uses to work out THB-AUD exchange on receipts etc. Inputting the date gives individual rates rather than an overall one which obviously would be skewed if just one rate was applied for an entire year.

Or would the % based on profit vs CEO pay be more ideal?

 

[medhead]

Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

When 12 to 13 comments are pro-QF, seems to me that the unions are definitely losing the battle.

or the comments sub-editor is successfully pursuing the News position by selective publishing comments, and letters. A position outlined in the quoted editorial.

 

[drron]

Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

What's Doemstic got to do with it when it comes to the LAME job losses, where has the domestic heavy maintenance gone cough cough SIN . And yes the A380 decision was on AJs watch and recent in context.

First commercial flight by QF A380-October 2008.
AJ appointed CEO November 2008.
Decision for service contracts on RR engines made prior to delivery.
Not on AJs watch.

Other maintenance done by LH since mid 2010.Maybe because with the initial deliveries QF wanted 24 engineers,the union 100.
So yes on AJ's watch but with a fair input from the union.

 

[anat0l]

Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

The union probably thinks they are in the catbird's seat. After all, sure they could send the airline into the ground, but everyone will get paid their full entitlements..... eventually. Even if it turns into another Ansett case with lots of protests, pleading to the government, 8-10 years of drawn out red tape and an extra $10-$20 per domestic air ticket (presumably on VA) to even out the government's cheque book.

Looks like the union thinks it's better to live in comfort and go to Hell rather than lose an arm and have a chance at heaven... (don't take Hell and heaven literally here, folks.... a job is hopefully not the former and rarely the latter.......)

or the comments sub-editor is successfully pursuing the News position by selective publishing comments, and letters. A position outlined in the quoted editorial.

For all the comments I do see on news articles on the various websites, most I believe make the page. Only ones I can think that don't make it are the straight out inflammatory ones (and a few still make the comments, albeit the insults are rather more 'eloquent' and hence usually dip under the moderating radar).

There are definitely those out there who side with Qantas and not the unions, although the actual occurrence of pro-Qantas / anti-Union is probably no more than any other Qantas article (taking into account the pro-Qantas vs. anti-Qantas comments on such). Perhaps a bit more pro-Qantas on this kind of story, but almost indistinguishable. The only other article to have more pro-Qantas remarks on it than usual was the one about death threats on Joyce (only a few comments were anti-Qantas or basically arguing that Qantas and Joyce fostered and deserved this kind of reaction). [Note that "pro-Qantas" in this discussion should be taken loosely to mean supportive of Qantas in a certain issue, not necessarily an "I love Qantas therefore they are right" kind of reaction]

Of the comments which are not pro-Qantas on this issue, a lot of them tend to be general anti-Qantas remarks anyway, without regard to the issue (e.g. "Qantas suck. Old planes, old grumpy farts, highway robbery prices. Hope they die soon." You get the picture.) I've yet to see many comments (there are some - just not a lot) that are criticising Qantas on this issue.

 

[Moody]

Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

It seems that Qantas and the unions have been getting too chummy with the left and right-wing politicians, and now it is a race for the bottom. I thought Qantas was ahead by a mile with all their spin and push-polling, but then the unions show that they are not to be outdone for stupidity in wrecking the brand they claim to be defending.


Idiots the lot of them.

 

[medhead]

For all the comments I do see on news articles on the various websites, most I believe make the page.

As someone who regularly submits comments on a range of topics I cannot agree.

 

[muppet]

If I'm going to arrive late, on a dirty 734, treated like scum by the lounge bouncer and constantly told at 10 minute intervals my plane is delayed a further 10 minutes - it had better be by Australians.

Joyce has destroyed shareholder value - no one can argue otherwise - he should lead by example. Take a pay cut and be issued options that vest at - wait for it - a HIGH price, to incentivise performance.

 

[FlyboyAl]

Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

I've also posted this on the CBP thread.
Was told by a qantas staff member at the domestic transfer lounge that tomorrow is going to be an expletive disaster as the TWU are going out.
From the rest of his comments, interlaced with more expletives, he was not at all happy with what was going on with the unions and what they were doing to Qantas.

I'm glad I'm home!

I will also continue to fly with, and support Qantas wherever I can

 

[rechoboam]

Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

I've also posted this on the CBP thread.
Was told by a qantas staff member at the domestic transfer lounge that tomorrow is going to be an expletive disaster as the TWU are going out.
From the rest of his comments, interlaced with more expletives, he was not at all happy with what was going on with the unions and what they were doing to Qantas.

I'm glad I'm home!

I will also continue to fly with, and support Qantas wherever I can

Any more details? Which airports, and Dom/Int?

 

[Kendall Roy]

Re: IF you're planning on flying in the lead up to Christmas, don't fly Qantas. - ALA

Joyce on ABC24 live presser now.

Changes for 13/14 Oct