Indonesia Air Asia flight QZ 8501 loses contact with ATC

[jb747]

jb747, the relevance is that KLO is far busier due to the limitations of the closest airport next to a major tourist destination, one visited by Australians. If you regard the information as irrelevant, fine, but it paints a picture, something that many journalists do extremely well in our mainstream media.

A runway is a runway. It makes no difference if the passengers' actual destination isn't actually outside that particular airfield.

The inaccurate picture that is painted isn't one that Turner would be proud of...perhaps Escher or Dali.

 

[Melburnian1]

While there will be the inevitable commentary that aircraft turnbacks occur regularly and hence are not newsworthy, this AirAsia incident ex DMK has also been reported in the last hour:

AirAsia plane to Thailand forced to turn back due to 'irregularity' | GulfNews.com

One can assume that any AirAsia incidents from whichever arm may now receive far more media attention than may have been the previous case.

 

[artemis]

My sincere condolences to the families of those who have perished in this recent incident.

Truly another aviation tragedy, but one that appears to have been handled with compassion and speed.

My gratitude to, and respect for, the members of international SAR teams who have left their families behind and placed themselves at not-inconsiderable-risk to search for answers. You do a great job. Thank you.

 

[straitman]

jb747, the relevance is that KLO is far busier due to the limitations of the closest airport next to a major tourist destination, one visited by Australians. Therefore, a flight landing at KLO is quite likely to have an Australian or two on board if it has originated in MNL. If you regard the information as irrelevant, fine, but it paints a picture, something that many journalists do extremely well in our mainstream media despite the increasing pressures by media management to cut corners.

From an aviation perspective there is no relevance what so ever.

I don't understand your journo reference as I'm yet to see a journo or media outlet ever get more than a few fleeting glimpses of the truth in an aviation incident or accident.

 

[straitman]

One can assume that any AirAsia incidents from whichever arm may now receive far more media attention than may have been the previous case.

The obvious question that maybe you should be asking is WHY do they get extra media attention?

 

[moa999]

The obvious question that maybe you should be asking is WHY do they get extra media attention?

Because anything "AirAsia" is now seen as newsworthy - something people want to read about (and from the press perspective - pay $$$$ for)

Same reason every little thing about QF gets press

 

[MarkD]

I love all the speculation and armchair expert opinions. They have only just found the wreck, let the investigating bodies do their job, as they are experts, then make informed comments, rather than going in balls and all and slandering the operator. From what I have seen in the media, air asia have been very open and Genuine in their response, and have not tried to run and hide. They dont know what has happened and have never claimed to know that, yet they are getting crucified in the media and indeed certain know all forums. Personally, I would go out of my way to book a seat on Air Asia if I was travelling to a destination they fly to, in support of them. They have shown, even in the toughest of times for an airline, they have stood up and behaved professionally. LCC or not, they should be commended for that.

 

[jb747]

I love all the speculation and armchair expert opinions. They have only just found the wreck, let the investigating bodies do their job, as they are experts, then make informed comments, rather than going in balls and all and slandering the operator.

There will always be conjecture. No real harm in that, as long as it is reasonably informed conjecture. Sadly though, people with no qualifications at all, other than perhaps having seen an A320 in the distance once, feel qualified...and then it all turns to drivel. This forum is actually pretty good...airliners.net was really full of it, and over at pprune, the normal battle between those who actually fly, and those who like to fake it, is well underway.

 

[straitman]

The obvious question that maybe you should be asking is WHY do they get extra media attention?

Because anything "AirAsia" is now seen as newsworthy - something people want to read about (and from the press perspective - pay $$$$ for)

Same reason every little thing about QF gets press

I know the answer.

I was simply asking those with no real facts, knowledge, experience or expertise.

 

[clazman]

Slightly off topic, the videos to date have been poor quality, what is the reason for this?

 

[michaele]

Just saw this: AirAsia flight QZ8501: airline was not allowed to fly route, says Indonesia | World news | The Guardian

I assume this is referring to the goverment regulatory approval, much like we see in the fine print when new routes are announced. Is this uncommon? It also says they did not request permission to fly this route on Sundays, suggesting other days it was allowed to fly.

Would this change ATC clearance etc or would they not be expected to know that kind of information? It seems to be a surprising statement to make.

 

[ermen]

Just saw this: AirAsia flight QZ8501: airline was not allowed to fly route, says Indonesia | World news | The Guardian

I assume this is referring to the goverment regulatory approval, much like we see in the fine print when new routes are announced. Is this uncommon? It also says they did not request permission to fly this route on Sundays, suggesting other days it was allowed to fly.

Would this change ATC clearance etc or would they not be expected to know that kind of information? It seems to be a surprising statement to make.

was not allowed to fly sunday. Seems to be a lapse by planners at airasia and indo government.
wonder if this is some grounds for a lawsuit...

 

[Sprucegoose]

????

Do you mean Oz P3-Cs?

http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news...ian-flight-mh370/story-fni0cx12-1226849627658

The AP's were introduced in 2002

 

[Deleted member 29185]

I see this morning, yet another Air Asia problem with an "engine dying after a loud bang" following a 3 metre journey along the taxiway resulting in pax refusing to reboard following repairs. Can't say I blame them.

 

[mannej]

I see this morning, yet another Air Asia problem with an "engine dying after a loud bang" following a 3 metre journey along the taxiway resulting in pax refusing to reboard following repairs. Can't say I blame them.

But their fear based refusal isn't based on logic - you had the same crowd who would have refused to get back onto the QF flights have Nancy Birds issues or other engine related turn backs.

 

[Deleted member 29185]

But their fear based refusal isn't based on logic - you had the same crowd who would have refused to get back onto the QF flights have Nancy Birds issues or other engine related turn backs.

Fear is rarely based on logic. Doesn't change the fact that they lost a plane and apparently all hands a week ago and the plane they are on has a loud engine mishap. I reckon I can count myself as a seasoned flyer with hardly a fear of flying, but I think I too may have been thinking twice about reboarding!

 

[fjc]

was not allowed to fly sunday. Seems to be a lapse by planners at airasia and indo government.
wonder if this is some grounds for a lawsuit...

There's a suggestion in today's MSM that insurance cover may be denied.

 

[samh004]

I see this morning, yet another Air Asia problem with an "engine dying after a loud bang" following a 3 metre journey along the taxiway resulting in pax refusing to reboard following repairs. Can't say I blame them.

But their fear based refusal isn't based on logic - you had the same crowd who would have refused to get back onto the QF flights have Nancy Birds issues or other engine related turn backs.

I saw no reason to get back on NBW/OQA following the QF32 accident as QF grounded the fleet (of A380's) until checks were carried out didn't they? The cause was then found to be RR, not poor maintenance.

I'm trying my best not to speculate here, but if an AirAsia Indonesia jet has crashed, and another AirAsia Indonesia jet has a problem with the APU moments after leaving the gate, my mind does jump to conclusions awfully quickly and I might reconsider my options. If they're different subsidiaries though, I'd worry less, but most people probably wouldn't see the distinction.

 

[Awesom Andy]

I think of planes like cars. They break down every now and then, things can go wrong, and unfortunately, on some occassions, the person behind the controls make a mistake resulting in fatalities.

 

[Aussie_flyer]

APU failures are pretty regular occurences .....