Is QF considering Lifetime Platinum?

[JohnK]

There have been plenty of good arguments. You must have missed them.

Nope. I've read every post in this thread. We'll obviously not agree.

Personally I see no difference between Lifetime Platinum and Lifetime Gold. Neither will keep frequent flyers loyal to the airline if the goal is to maximise point earn and status in multiple alliances. In fact Lifetime Platinum makes that easier as you don't need to credit any flights to QFF other than novelty flights to have First Lounge access.

 

[RichardMEL]

Well today is the last day CL can access FLounge regardless of airline flown.

How is this relevant to this thread?

 

[RichardMEL]

I wonder how many folks have achieved LTG (and beyond) on mostly their own dime vs OPM (definitely a tangent )

 

[mviy]

How is this relevant to this thread?

If QF Offered LTP this could cancel out some increased FLounge access as CL's fly AirNZ would no longer be able to visit.

 

[RichardMEL]

If QF Offered LTP this could cancel out some increased FLounge access as CL's fly AirNZ would no longer be able to visit.

umm yeah I honestly think these numbers would be so low as to not even be an issue.

No doubt QF has "enhanced" that perk for a reason, but if you're CL with QF you're very unlikely to be flying with some other airline or alliance period given the treatment.

My view.

 

[Pleb Status]

If QF were to introduce LTP at 28000 LTSC, what is the consensus on a) the total number of LTP that would be created overnight and b) the number of new LTP who are not already WP or P1 anyway?

My wild guesses would be the total number of LTP would be less than 10k with those not being WP already less than 5k.

 

[JessicaTam]

The main benefit of LTP to QF would be ongoing loyalty. At the moment anyone reaching LTG has no reason to credit anything to QFF, regardless of who they fly with.

LTP would be a goal (albeit aspirational for many) that would keep people tied to QFF. There would be minimal cost to QF, as someone who would become or keep QF Platinum and use the lounges is just as likely to gain OWE with AA or BA, say. So still use the lounges.

LTP makes sure that QFF gets the loyalty dollars.

 

[mviy]

And if someone goes for LTP and falls short, by the time they realise they're not going to make it, it'll likely be too late for them to build lifetime status with another airline meaning they'll probably stick crediting to QF to enjoy the benefits of LTG.

 

[Captain Halliday]

And if someone goes for LTP and falls short, by the time they realise they're not going to make it, it'll likely be too late for them to build lifetime status with another airline meaning they'll probably stick crediting to QF to enjoy the benefits of LTG.

Which makes me wonder if I cut my losses on my 3,500SC and begin crediting to BA sooner rather than later.

 

[JohnK]

And if someone goes for LTP and falls short, by the time they realise they're not going to make it, it'll likely be too late for them to build lifetime status with another airline meaning they'll probably stick crediting to QF to enjoy the benefits of LTG.

For the purposes of this argument there is no difference between striving for Lifetime Gold or striving for Lifetime Platinum.

If there is I still don't see it. There is no need to remain loyal to Qantas or Oneworld after achieving Lifetime Gold or Lifetime Platinum.

 

[Pleb Status]

The main benefit of LTP to QF would be ongoing loyalty. At the moment anyone reaching LTG has no reason to credit anything to QFF, regardless of who they fly with.

LTP would be a goal (albeit aspirational for many) that would keep people tied to QFF. There would be minimal cost to QF, as someone who would become or keep QF Platinum and use the lounges is just as likely to gain OWE with AA or BA, say. So still use the lounges.

LTP makes sure that QFF gets the loyalty dollars.

If a LTG still books and pays for flights on QF but credits those flights to another OW program, I do not think QF really cares about the very small loss in loyalty income that would result.

It is selling points to banks etc where the real money is made by QFF.

 

[Kiwi_Flyer]

For the purposes of this argument there is no difference between striving for Lifetime Gold or striving for Lifetime Platinum.

If there is I still don't see it. There is no need to remain loyal to Qantas or Oneworld after achieving Lifetime Gold or Lifetime Platinum.

The difference in striving for one lifetime status over another is the higher requirement requires more flying = more money for Qantas.

Only half right. The benefits of lifetime status with Qantas depend on flying Oneworld with that status. Granted this doesn't have to be flying on Qantas.

 

[Himeno]

If a LTG still books and pays for flights on QF but credits those flights to another OW program, I do not think QF really cares about the very small loss in loyalty income that would result.

It is selling points to banks etc where the real money is made by QFF.

If someone books and pays for QF flights, but credits to another OW program, QF is sending that other program some money. If they credit to QF, QF is either paying itself or another airline is paying QFF.

 

[nutwood]

For the purposes of this argument there is no difference between striving for Lifetime Gold or striving for Lifetime Platinum.

If there is I still don't see it. There is no need to remain loyal to Qantas or Oneworld after achieving Lifetime Gold or Lifetime Platinum.

I feel I'm still not appreciating this argument. I suspect there's a huge gap in my understanding as I almost exclusively fly domestically. Please could some kind person explain?
From my perspective, the objective in obtaining LTG, is to continue to enjoy the perks of status even when I'm not flying so often. The assumption is that I will continue to fly with Qantas. The principal difference would be that I might book a lot more award flights. At the moment I use OTM (like that one!) to book flights. I could retain WP even if I booked the cheapest tickets but I almost always book flex and must confess that whilst my principal reason is last minute alterations, the SC's are a welcome bonus!

 

[JohnK]

The difference in striving for one lifetime status over another is the higher requirement requires more flying = more money for Qantas.

Only half right. The benefits of lifetime status with Qantas depend on flying Oneworld with that status. Granted this doesn't have to be flying on Qantas.

Firstly if you are just starting you're surely not going to be aiming for Lifetime Platinum? You'll first aim for Lifetime Silver and once there you'll start planning Lifetime Gold.

Secondly there are a bunch of AFF'ers who are already Lifetime Gold and sleeping around. If Lifetime Platinum is introduced they'll strive to earn and then sleep around again.

AAnother thing to note is that at the moment easy SCs such as AA runs are included in the Lifetime totals. Qantas does not make very much from these.

So how can Qantas really keep you loyal? Let you strive for Platinum or Platinum One every year. That's loyalty. And if Qantas were smart they'd increase the target for Platinum to 2,000SCs/1,600SCs.

 

[Ansett]

So how can Qantas really keep you loyal? Let you strive for Platinum or Platinum One every year. That's loyalty. And if Qantas were smart they'd increase the target for Platinum to 2,000SCs/1,600SCs.

John K go wash your mouth out LOL Dont go giving them any ideas FFS.

 

[Pleb Status]

If someone books and pays for QF flights, but credits to another OW program, QF is sending that other program some money. If they credit to QF, QF is either paying itself or another airline is paying QFF.

Of course. However, this loss in revenue is most likely to be so small it would not be measurable. Also, if the same person redeems a flight on QF (from the partner program) then the revenue will find its way back to QF anyway.

 

[RichardMEL]

There's another factor here to consider.

Just about every member of this forum has a real and vested interest in accural of points and status - some to the point of obsession

Out "there" in the real world of regular folks flying.. this is not the norm. I would reckon a bunch would focus more on points to get "rewards"

those with status.. some do not even know all the benefits, and those that do would use them, but probably not make a HUGE effort to retain the status, specially if it might mean extra flying with their own dime and time.

Many of us are focused on these "status goals" like they're the only thing that matters. Most people travel to go places and do stuff I mean we do too, but not most "normal" people could care less about the rest

and in terms of LT status I imagine by the time most folks might reach LTG or a hypothetical LTP level, it's more likely than not been as part of business trips paid for b others (note: Every single SC I have personally earned has been all personal travel, but I am totally in the minority here ) ... my point being that, for most peple, once that travel finishes up either through job change or retirement, the use of the perks of the status will taper off to, most likely, leisure trips and probably far less.

Remember meny of us love to get in a tube and scowl at another offering of Shaw+Smith.. most people see it as a chore and just want to be there and sure using a nicer lounge and having an extra bag allowance is really nice, but it's simply not that big a deal to most people out there.

And yes, if some person is working hard and attains say LTG in their 20's or 30's with a lot of travel to go.. if it's paid travel with QF then QF is still happy for ongoing revenue.

The reality is once someone reaches a level such as LTG, if they are still flying they likely do enough to retain that status on their own (so zero cost to QF) or even have higher (such as a LTG P1 like me, or LTG WP like many here). So.. minimal cost to QF or worry

and if post retirement folks take their grandkids into the J lounge for the trip to OOL or LAX a couple times a year that's really no big deal.

 

[JessicaTam]

If Lifetime Platinum is introduced they'll strive to earn and then sleep around again.

And QF gets the loyalty $ whilst they do.

 

[juddles]

If QF were to introduce LTP at 28000 LTSC, what is the consensus on a) the total number of LTP that would be created overnight and b) the number of new LTP who are not already WP or P1 anyway?

My wild guesses would be the total number of LTP would be less than 10k with those not being WP already less than 5k.

I believe that (a) would actually be less than 5k - probably closer to 3k. And as for (b), again, far less - maybe 1-2k.

I think we get lost in this forum with the huge over-representation of true FF here.