Is QF ever likely to fly into Dubai again?

[Kiwi_Flyer]

You're right re the UK expat population in PER for sure.. but does that explain FCO?

I definitely think there are many factors here.

But yes, QF's market share is falling due to the capacity and schedule advantage of airlines like SQ/QR/EK etc.. this is not news. This is why QF is using the 787's to open up routes like PER-FCO, MEL-DFW, AKL-JFK(yes I know NZ goes to EWR) and the rumoured BNE-ORD.. that can compliment other services and leverage partner hubs. I think QF's business plan internationally is framed in this way because they know they just can't go head to head with the others (another reason for PER-LHR).

NZ's NYC flight is to JFK despite UA's hub being EWR. NZ isn't that interested in connecting pax from ne USA/eastern Canada.

 

[Franky]

You're right re the UK expat population in PER for sure.. but does that explain FCO?

I definitely think there are many factors here.

But yes, QF's market share is falling due to the capacity and schedule advantage of airlines like SQ/QR/EK etc.. this is not news. This is why QF is using the 787's to open up routes like PER-FCO, MEL-DFW, AKL-JFK(yes I know NZ goes to EWR) and the rumoured BNE-ORD.. that can compliment other services and leverage partner hubs. I think QF's business plan internationally is framed in this way because they know they just can't go head to head with the others (another reason for PER-LHR).

If you could take a trip to Fremantle Fishing Boat Harbour, that would explain why FCO is popular...

 

[Quickstatus]

And NZ is also picking up on the idea of long and thin routes.

 

[RichardMEL]

FCO is an interesting one. What about the Italian diaspora?

Well... Pizza is big in the PER J lounge!!!

kidding. I guess obviously there's also large numbers of Italians and descended famlies spread around whre perhaps travel via PER is probably about the same as DXB, SIN or some other location. I'm definitely curious about the premium element though - specially since FCO doesn't really have onwards connectivity with existing partners or anything - I'm thinking med/southern europe destinations which would make the most sense, but that doesn't appear to be the main focus of this flight.

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NZ's NYC flight is to JFK despite UA's hub being EWR. NZ isn't that interested in connecting pax from ne USA/eastern Canada.

right. thanks for the correction. I admit I was a bit lazy and didn't confirm it for myself. My bad.

 

[RichardMEL]

And NZ is also picking up on the idea of long and thin routes.

Influx over recent years of bigger carriers flying from hubs (AA and UA for example) has definitely given NZ a bit of a nudge I would think. For a while the NZ AKL-IAH was a great flight, even for connections from oz (now UA has SYD-IAH back again, QF has SYD/MEL-DFW so these are definitely taking from that option, with the aforementioned US majors hitting on AKL). I'm sure NZ is none too pleased with QF's AKL-JFK route. the AKL-ORD is a good route for them given UA hub and a major centre in its own right. IIRC NZ's supposed to be flying their own metal to South America soon too which is probably a good call.

Their new orders for 787's (even the -10's) suggest they prefer this product over a larger 777 which would support this strategy in the longer term I would think.

 

[chiken_nugets]

Buy it on a QF ticket and QF add a ridiculous amount of $ to the price compared to what EK charge for the same flight

Am I doing something wrong? Looking at random flights in March, I see the same price on Emirates and Qantas. EK flight number on Emirates website and QF on Qantas.

 

[pauly7]

And NZ is also picking up on the idea of long and thin routes.

They don’t have a choice really.

 

[justinbrett]

Quite the contrary, I'd say the whole EK alliance is at risk long term. Not a chance in hell QF will return to DXB.

 

[UP4014]

They returned to Singapore saying that's what the customers wanted, no Dubai.

The people have spoken and QF did listen.

I'm one of those people not interested Dubai.

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Hopefully not, if they dump SIN for DXB that only leaves the PER route to get to EU for those of us not wanting to transit the ME.

Flight time it's only an hour longer to go via the US with many connection options.

 

[Quickstatus]

They don’t have a choice really.

Yes, they are not a natural geographical hub. NZ like AU is just at the end of a very long thin string.

 

[RSD]

Am I doing something wrong? Looking at random flights in March, I see the same price on Emirates and Qantas. EK flight number on Emirates website and QF on Qantas.

OK that would be great if it holds - every time I have booked to CAI recently the QF price has been over $1000 more.

 

[chiken_nugets]

OK that would be great if it holds - every time I have booked to CAI recently the QF price has been over $1000 more.

I just did another comparison BNE-DXB-CAI, 1 April to 1 May, same price on both again

 

[RSD]

I just did another comparison BNE-DXB-CAI, 1 April to 1 May, same price on both again

OK that is really good! Hopefully it stays that way until I know when I am heading back!

 

[RichardMEL]

Interesting. There definitely used to be a (small) premium for QF codeshares - specially on trans tasman flights - but this may have changed - at least on some routes - which is a very good thing.

 

[justinbrett]

IIRC NZ's supposed to be flying their own metal to South America soon too which is probably a good call.

Have you got a source for this? I have not heard that and can’t find any reference online.

I thought the BA route was gone for good. I thought it was killed off at the same time as London.

 

[Quickstatus]

NZ is none too pleased with QF's AKL-JFK route

I wonder if a codeshare to each other on the AKL-JFK may be mutually beneficial?

 

[RichardMEL]

Have you got a source for this? I have not heard that and can’t find any reference online.

I thought the BA route was gone for good. I thought it was killed off at the same time as London.

I think it must have been the fantasy airline routings in my brain?! You're right. I can't see ANYTHING. I had the falling I saw a headline somewhere when scrolling but then again I might have read about NZ resuming flights to Bali and lost my mind.

apologies for any excitement caused.

 

[Quickstatus]

fantasy airline routings in my brain

Vaguely remember there was an ANZ CEO thought bubble about 8-10 years ago??. Around the time ?? when QF no longer operated into EZE and the thought bubble involved operating into EZE. By then AirNZ got rid of its 747. Again vague recollections only

 

[dajop]

Vaguely remember there was an ANZ CEO thought bubble about 8-10 years ago??. Around the time ?? when QF no longer operated into EZE and the thought bubble involved operating into EZE. By then AirNZ got rid of its 747. Again vague recollections only

AKL-EZE wasn’t a thought bubble, it operated for several years before ending in March 2020 for some unknown reason.

Air New Zealand scraps Buenos Aires and London routes

Air New Zealand is scrapping services to London and Buenos Aires, predicting that demand will not recover quickly enough to make the routes viable. It is also postponing the start of its non-stop Auckland-New York service from 29 October 2020 until late 2021 at the earliest, the carrier said...

www.flightglobal.com

They have indicated thus far no plans to return to the destination.

 

[justinbrett]

AKL-EZE wasn’t a thought bubble, it operated for several years before ending in March 2020 for some unknown reason.

Air New Zealand scraps Buenos Aires and London routes

Air New Zealand is scrapping services to London and Buenos Aires, predicting that demand will not recover quickly enough to make the routes viable. It is also postponing the start of its non-stop Auckland-New York service from 29 October 2020 until late 2021 at the earliest, the carrier said...

www.flightglobal.com

They have indicated thus far no plans to return to the destination.

It wasn't due Covid. It was on thin ice well before then, which is why NZ cancelled it permanently at the start of the pandemic. London was cancelled prior to the pandemic, so it was clear NZ was struggling with some of their long haul routes and that had nothing to do with Covid.

Air NZ bids hasta la vista to Argentina, delays New York direct service - NZ Herald

Customers should contact their travel agent or booking service.

www.nzherald.co.nz