Is the "Fly Ahead" benefit removal actually being enforced?

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High spending customers wouldn't need the fly ahead benefit, as they would have the flexibility to change anyway.

You could apply this logic to most FF benefits - e.g. "high spending customers wouldn't need free lounge access, as they would just buy Business fares or pay for lounge membership", so why not get rid of that benefit too?

The reality is, you can be a very high spending customer without ever buying a Flexi fare. FF status benefits are designed to reward people who spend a lot over a period of time, not necessarily those who pay for the most expensive fares. In fact, as a general rule, FF status benefits are most useful for people flying on the cheapest fares, while they become almost irrelevant with the most expensive fares - the whole concept is that frequent flyers get perks without having to pay more.

FWIW, I have spent over $40k on airfares with VA and its partners since the start of 2013, so I think I was a relatively high spending customer. However, I never buy Flexi fares for work travel unless there is no other option, as I'm not allowed to. Anyway, as I mentioned previously, I don't see myself being a high spending customer with VA in the future. Maybe VA is better off without my business, but if so, there is something seriously wrong with their business model.
 
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You could apply this logic to most FF benefits - e.g. "high spending customers wouldn't need free lounge access, as they would just buy Business fares or pay for lounge membership", so why not get rid of that benefit too?

The reality is, you can be a very high spending customer without ever buying a Flexi fare. FF status benefits are designed to reward people who spend a lot over a period of time, not necessarily those who pay for the most expensive fares. In fact, as a general rule, FF status benefits are most useful for people flying on the cheapest fares, while they become almost irrelevant with the most expensive fares - the whole concept is that frequent flyers get perks without having to pay more.

FWIW, I have spent over $40k on airfares with VA and its partners since the start of 2013, so I think I was a relatively high spending customer. However, I never buy Flexi fares for work travel unless there is no other option, as I'm not allowed to. Anyway, as I mentioned previously, I don't see myself being a high spending customer with VA in the future. Maybe VA is better off without my business, but if so, there is something seriously wrong with their business model.

You do not need to buy a Flexi/Freedom fare to use Fly Ahead, an Elevate fare is all that is required for Fly Ahead.

If all of your 40k is on Gateway fares, you are not a high margin customer as these are very low margin fares.
 
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You do not need to buy a Flexi/Freedom fare to use Fly Ahead, an Elevate fare is all that is required for Fly Ahead.

If all of your 40k is on Gateway fares, you are not a high margin customer as these are very low margin fares.

Indeed - a high spending, high yield customer is what they are after !
 
You do not need to buy a Flexi/Freedom fare to use Fly Ahead, an Elevate fare is all that is required for Fly Ahead.

I fully understand the rules surrounding the Fly Ahead benefit, but I was responding to this comment:

High spending customers wouldn't need the fly ahead benefit, as they would have the flexibility to change anyway.

In the absence of the Fly Ahead benefit, the only customers that can change without penalty on the day of travel are those on Flexi fares - hence my reference to Flexi fares in my response. In any case, while you are correct that under the new rules Fly Ahead can be used on an Elevate fare, I can't buy Elevate fares for work travel either unless there is no Getaway fare available, as to do so would still be paying more for flexibility, which the travel policy specifically prohibits. That's the whole problem that has been discussed at length in this thread.

If all of your 40k is on Gateway fares, you are not a high margin customer as these are very low margin fares.

You're confusing various different issues here. Firstly, the comment about "high spending customers" was part of a discussion about the wisdom (or not) of VA's decision to introduce changes to fare structures and status benefits a few months ago. As such, this relates to the time before Elevate/Getaway fares even existed. Similarly, at the risk of stating the obvious, my spend over 3 previous membership years also related to a time before Elevate/Getaway fares existed.

Also, you refer to "high margin customer", but that is quite different to "high spending customer". As I already alluded to in my previous post, I know that others would have been higher margin customers than I was. However, to what extent can an airline rely on people that are high margin but low volume customers? For example, the customer who always flies with QF where possible, but on the rare occasion when VA is the only option he flies on a Flexi or J fare? My suspicion is that those kind of people aren't going to keep VA afloat. Obviously VA would love to have loads of customers who fly very regularly with them and buy the more expensive fare classes all the time, but again I suspect there are not a whole lot of those people out there, and I don't think their recent changes will "encourage" very many people to start buying more expensive fare classes - especially now that QF often have cheaper fares than VA.

BTW, I don't think I was a particularly low margin customer either. I just went through my VA confirmation emails, and of my last 10 VA domestic fares that I booked before these changes came in (all Saver fares), the average cost was over $200 per sector.

The fact is, for people who fly at peak times and can't book well in advance, even the Saver fares were rarely very cheap. I also travel OS a bit in J and almost always used VA partners and credited to Velocity, although I have no idea how much money VA/Velocity make out of that. Anyway, as I said earlier in the thread, I don't think VA decided that customers like me are not worth retaining. I think they naively assumed that when the changes came in I would still fly with them just as often, but pay more for my fares. If so, they were wrong (in my case at least), as I have only flown with VA once since September.
 
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Colleagues and I have had mixed experiences under the new system, enforcement seems to vary a lot.

Also some ground staff are still learning new system .. my partner attempted to use Fly Ahead a week ago on a reward seat (which is still valid for FlyAhead under new T&Cs AFAIK). Was told by check-in agent there was availability but rejected on basis it was a reward ticket. Apologetic lounge staff then suggested that was wrong and benefit should have been offered. Very odd.
 
You do not need to buy a Flexi/Freedom fare to use Fly Ahead, an Elevate fare is all that is required for Fly Ahead.

If all of your 40k is on Gateway fares, you are not a high margin customer as these are very low margin fares.

Re-read the thread, the key problem for a huge chunk of VA corporate customers is the fact they are on BFOD therefore stuck with no choice but to book the cheap seat - with now no flex.
 
I'd suggest the policy of bfod with flexibility on the return leg would be pretty (if not the most) common - that has been my experience across multiple companies that didn't want me burning more expenses when meetings finished early whilst travelling.
 
Colleagues and I have had mixed experiences under the new system, enforcement seems to vary a lot.

Also some ground staff are still learning new system .. my partner attempted to use Fly Ahead a week ago on a reward seat (which is still valid for FlyAhead under new T&Cs AFAIK).


Are Award seats still OK for Fly Ahead "officially"?
 
Got knocked back the other day :mad: apparently "X" is not eligible. Consistently inconsistent.
The attendant that provided this advice was wrong, it's clearly stated on the VFF site that reward bookings are eligible. Ask to speak to their manager if this occurs.
 
The attendant that provided this advice was wrong, it's clearly stated on the VFF site that reward bookings are eligible. Ask to speak to their manager if this occurs.
Good news ..

Are you able to provide a link?
 
Blurb on status benefits says all except Getaway
23.5.5 says not avail on Group, Getaway and S, M, T
 
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I was flying OOL-MEL on Sunday for leisure. Only elevate fares were available coming home, so I booked the last one, which was about 30 bucks cheaper, knowing I could turn up and likely take the 4pm, 5pm or 6pm. I asked at the lounge check-in if I could fly ahead and she said, yes depending on fare status. So to me, seems like they are enforcing this.
 
last week i flew ahead on a getaway fare - i'm platinum - asked at checkin (not lounge) and was done without question
 
Nope - just the standard 10 SC's for Getaway SYD-BNE
 
They are enforcing. I was told - You are on Getaway fare, you can pay 10,000 points to upgrade to reward seat and then fly ahead.

So -
Yes - Flyahead is being enforced
Yes - You can fly ahead on Reward Seat

Cheers
 
"Platinum and Gold members will still be able to Fly Ahead when travelling on a Reward Seat booking." https://www.velocityfrequentflyer.com/content/ProgramBenefits/LatestNews/fares-for-you/

Let's just capture this for posterity in case they quietly change their mind -

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Yet ANOTHER striking instance where Platinums get zero extra Bennies over Gold.

There truly is little reason to bother chasing Plat with Virgin and Borgetti and Co should wise up.
 
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