Joyce: Qantas perth had to go

[mannej]

Boohoo typical WA whingers whining about how hard life is and nobody loves them. Sheesh, speak with your wallets or get over it?

It's a business not a charity and if they claim they can't make it work, go elsewhere.

*cue some stupid comment about the West supporting everyone in the East and you're all our savoirs*

Get off it.

 

[Turbo-g]

Boohoo typical WA whingers whining about how hard life is and nobody loves them. Sheesh, speak with your wallets or get over it?

It's a business not a charity and if they claim they can't make it work, go elsewhere.

*cue some stupid comment about the West supporting everyone in the East and you're all our savoirs*

An interesting view. Its not about life being hard or not being loved, its just our preferred airline of choice is removing themselves from Perth, much like your choice could be too. A simple thing maybe, but i myself have spoken with my wallet. The simple point is Qantas is leaving not me, so i have NO choice but to fly with someone else. Note: We prefer a capital S in Saviours (Savior if travelling on AA), although savoirs could be ok, literal of course, as in savoir-faire.

 

[mushypeas]

Really, what's this thread about? Complaining about being abandoned by our "national carrier" or are we now 6 pages deep of alternatives to give market share to?

From the pages I briefly went through it appeared to be the former.

You'll have to forgive my misspelling as my fat fingers smash my mobile device, typing from the qantas lounge in the East.

Xox

 

[Turbo-g]

All forgiven, after all we are in the same sinking boat..Cheers (typing from work to pay for the next International flight)

 

[cosi]

Another issue is several of my clients use Oneworld RTW tickets and can longer travel from Perth to the office in Singapore before heading to China.

 

[codash1099]

http://www.australianfrequentflyer....program/joyce-goal-to-merge-qantas-15479.html

Such an interesting read now, considering how the future is looking.

Look back over the past, with its changing empires that rose and fell, and you can foresee the future, too. Marcus Aurelius

He actually thought Qantas could be a leader in a great global alliance. A definite ROFLMAO

 

[Himeno]

He actually thought Qantas could be a leader in a great global alliance. A definite ROFLMAO

I'm sure it could. With a new board.

 

[docjames]

The incredible part is that despite the volume to SIN that QF can't fill one flight per day (of any size).

 

[moa999]

Can't fill "profitably" more likely. With no connecting flights to Europe anymore you need to fill a plane with people going to Singapore alone, or wanting onward carriage with Jetstar Asia 3K, or strike a deal with SQ, who would prefer to carry the pax themselves.

Now why QF doesn't have it's own metal to DXB is a good question

 

[Mattg]

why QF doesn't have it's own metal to DXB is a good question

That's a valid point. Why should EK have 3x daily PER-DXB flights (with one supposedly soon to be an A380) while Qantas have none? Doesn't seem like an equal partnership or an even remotely fair deal for Qantas.

 

[dajop]

That's a valid point. Why should EK have 3x daily PER-DXB flights (with one supposedly soon to be an A380) while Qantas have none? Doesn't seem like an equal partnership or an even remotely fair deal for Qantas.

We don't know, it t may well be a fair deal for Qantas, they are essentially selling seats on the route, at a much greater frequency than they could ever offer, and don't have the headaches/costs/risks of operating the aircraft.

 

[wandering_fred]

We don't know, it t may well be a fair deal for Qantas, they are essentially selling seats on the route, at a much greater frequency than they could ever offer, and don't have the headaches/costs/risks of operating the aircraft.

Given the assumption that some people will fly via the Middle East, I suppose.
The ideas related to using a 737-800 rather than the A330s on SIN-PER has merit but I suspect QF does not want to support BA's kangaroo route. But 11hr/day aircraft utilization would satisfy a lot of operators...

Anyone know if MH would have traffic rights KUL-SIN-PER ??

Happy wandering

Fred

 

[vitagen]

What aircraft can QF use to compete with EK on Per-Dxb? A330s are ancient and substandard, 747s are getting retired, there isn't enough a380s and lol @ 737.

 

[Mattg]

What aircraft can QF use to compete with EK on Per-Dxb? A330s are ancient and substandard, 747s are getting retired, there isn't enough a380s and lol @ 737.

PER-DXB might be out of the range of the A330-300 so an internationally configured A330-200 might be the best (only) option. After the refurbishments the A330s shouldn't be substandard or inferior.

If it happened though, I don't think QF should be trying to "compete" with EK, they should instead "complement" each others' services. After all, they are supposed to be in an alliance.

 

[Himeno]

What aircraft can QF use to compete with EK on Per-Dxb? A330s are ancient and substandard, 747s are getting retired, there isn't enough a380s and lol @ 737.

I don't know about that. They could do PER-SIN-BOM-DXB with a 737

 

[casanovawa]

That's a valid point. Why should EK have 3x daily PER-DXB flights (with one supposedly soon to be an A380) while Qantas have none? Doesn't seem like an equal partnership or an even remotely fair deal for Qantas.

Apart from what aircraft do QF have to fit the route, while they have a base at PER domestic, i wonder if they have other fixed costs operating out of PER Int as well (gate costs etc, having staff over there or whether they can rotate J* staff or boarding and check in and other things they may need over there??) If so it probably made a lot more economic sense when you had multiple flights a day to HKG, SIN, NRT etc... As every flight was cut the costs were probably spread over fewer flights, the scale and the critical mass dropped probably along with QF front of mind awareness of local Perth people so in the end one flight a day out of the Int terminal might be uneconomic, multiple flights daily on competitive products with a bit more determination to succeed and market the services out of Perth might have been viable...

 

[11sjw]

Some axings that may not be protested too hard....

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/24165099/jetstar-axes-selected-perth-services/

 

[Bundy Bear]

Apart from what aircraft do QF have to fit the route, while they have a base at PER domestic, i wonder if they have other fixed costs operating out of PER Int as well (gate costs etc, having staff over there or whether they can rotate J* staff or boarding and check in and other things they may need over there??) If so it probably made a lot more economic sense when you had multiple flights a day to HKG, SIN, NRT etc... As every flight was cut the costs were probably spread over fewer flights, the scale and the critical mass dropped probably along with QF front of mind awareness of local Perth people so in the end one flight a day out of the Int terminal might be uneconomic, multiple flights daily on competitive products with a bit more determination to succeed and market the services out of Perth might have been viable...

Very good analysis, I think Perth-Singapore could work once Qantas operate out of one connected terminal.

Some axings that may not be protested too hard....

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/24165099/jetstar-axes-selected-perth-services/

Glad they got rid of the late night Jetstar flight, Qantas could have got rid of the 8:00pm Qantas flight but that time suits a lot of business people, means you can work in Brisbane until 5pm and still catch the last flight to Perth.

 

[Cynicor]

Very good analysis, I think Perth-Singapore could work once Qantas operate out of one connected terminal.




Glad they got rid of the late night Jetstar flight, Qantas could have got rid of the 8:00pm Qantas flight but that time suits a lot of business people, means you can work in Brisbane until 5pm and still catch the last flight to Perth .

You almost gave me a heart attack! I thought the 3K midnight to SIN flight was being axed, on which I unfortunately have 2 bookings later in the year. That would have been the final straw for an immediate cancellation of any QF related flying- they've already stuffed up about 5 trips for this year!

 

[Danger]

Some axings that may not be protested too hard....

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/24165099/jetstar-axes-selected-perth-services/

The question I have about this is will JQ be paying QF for the seats on QF aircraft to accommodate passengers whose bookings have been cancelled. There has long been talk of cost shifting and QF footing the bill for JQ expenses and if I was a betting man I'd say this arrangement isn't going to cost JQ a cent.