Lack of curtains separating Business and Economy on 737

[UP4014]

Happy to report that no one from economy used the front toilet last night while I was seated in 2F. I feel so much better now.

What a relief to know there wasn't theft of the J soap.

 

[Pushka]

What a relief to know there wasn't theft of the J soap.

What soap? Oh, wait, I think I went in after you...........

 

[straitman]

Using the term 'Row 4 scum' or scum to talk about economy passengers is inappropriate.

Please do not use it again on the forum.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

So when I ask to use front toilet and CSM/cabin crew give the ok is that OK? Or should I just head down the back without asking?

I just head down the back.

Asking the crew puts them in a situation where they have to deal with potentially upsetting a passenger.

As there is a sign saying 'business class only beyond this point' maybe they are accepting your honesty that it must be a genuine emergency - or why else would you ask? Or maybe they just want to avoid confrontation or embarrassment.

 

[Gold60]

i don't fly that much. i have only flown J once - on an ATW - AC to from BNE to YVR, LH to LHR, LX to NRT, and then TG from BKK to home. i don't recall seeing any crowds of people coming through the J cabin - maybe the staff had better control over ALL of the PAX?

i only ever fly Y in DOM - usually on VA. i can't ever recall seeing anyone from either side crossing over into the other side - maybe i was just lucky again.

when i am flying, i am mainly interested in seat comfort - so the food, drink, toilets, IFE, and such all sort of pass me by, so to speak. i just try and make sure i am a good PAX for the crew and my fellow PAX - hopefully i get somewhere near the mark - no complaints about me so far.

So when I ask to use front toilet and CSM/cabin crew give the ok is that OK? Or should I just head down the back without asking?

Happy to report that no one from economy used the front toilet last night while I was seated in 2F. I feel so much better now.

 

[straitman]

Can you read? Only business class passengers beyond this point. The J cabin is clearly an entitlement that J passengers pay for.

As is the meal. The alcohol. The amenity kit. And many other things ppl who choose to pay 4 times the cost of a Y ticket are entitled to.

The only “entitlement” in this thread are the Y freeloaders who feel they can take a dump wherever they please just because “I shouldn’t have to line up like everybody else”.

A bit over zealous IMHO but you are certainly entitled to the opinion. Don't forget the numerous time the cabin crew allow Y pax to go forward.

 

[Denali]

Considering the morning I've had with family, I 100% support the use of the forward, J or F toilet by other cabins in an emergency. Go for it dudes, I'm no longer judging.

To quote Monty Python, "I fart in your general direction" would be the least of your concerns if someone is denied urgent access.

 

[durbrain]

I find the continuing references to Y passengers as scum offensive.

The descriptor referred to passengers that were using services that they hadn’t paid for. Not all economy passengers.

I find thieving behaviour to be more offensive than words on a forum but to each their own.

 

[juddles]

As opposed to your passive-aggressive "And there we have it" comment.



Thank you for your life story, but it is of no relevance to this thread. 95% of my domestic flights are Y, but that doesn't change the fact that J cabin is for J passengers. This isn't Today Tonight.



If you'd read the thread properly, you'd realise that I (and many others) don't have a problem with Y passengers using the J toilets in genuine urgent situations (high frequency turtlenecking, major soilage imminent kind of situation). This would constitute an absolute minority of passengers and in no way explains the frequency at which J cabin intrusions occur on almost every flight. From what I have witnessed, none of the Y scum that strut their way forward appear in any distress. I'm sure some on this forum would claim to be 'in distress' because they, god forbid, had to hold their bladder for 10 mins (after downing 8 VBs in the Qantas club). These are the same kind of fruitcakes that feel they're entitled to disabled parking spots because of they're 'depressed'.

durbrain, I felt I supported your general line of thinking, until this post

 

[durbrain]

I did post on page 1 of this thread btw, just didn’t bother with the middling pages. So I missed when you posted that in emergencies the use by Y pax was fine. Perhaps you could repost?

It’s on pages 3-4. I reiterate that I highly doubt that this circumstance applies to the majority of Y passengers that enter the J cabin.

 

[eastwest101]

The problem here is really all about single aisle mixed class aircraft, in particular the B738, because there are no toilet facilities between the Y cabin and the J cabin.

VA operate similarly configured aircraft using the magnetic rope, since QF removed the curtain from the B738 fleet, as a passenger, I have noticed more passengers from Y using the front J toilet on QF flights compared to VA flights, that's just my own personal observation anyway. I'm about 50% QF flights and 50% VA flights over the last few years.

I think the magnetic rope on VA works better than the very subtle QF signage because it often prompts a question to the cabin crew before crossing the rope.

Until we get reconfigured single aisle aircraft toilets or a return to more barriers in the form of ropes, curtains or strict enforcement, or the removal of trolley carts (unlikely) I think this issue will continue to be debated.

 

[docjames]

I’m now imagining a toilet wedged on one side between rows 3 and 4 (QF) or 2 and 3 (VA).

That would make the forward rows pretty unattractive.......

 

[JohnK]

I just head down the back.

Asking the crew puts them in a situation where they have to deal with potentially upsetting a passenger.

As there is a sign saying 'business class only beyond this point' maybe they are accepting your honesty that it must be a genuine emergency - or why else would you ask? Or maybe they just want to avoid confrontation or embarrassment.

I don't usually use the toilets at the front unless the cart is out and that is not often. People need to be understanding that will happen every now and then. And unless they are loitering and queueing in business it's not a big deal.

And sure there is a sign 'business class only beyond this point' but is only visible if you're looking out for that sign.

 

[durbrain]

And unless they are loitering and queueing in business it's not a big deal.

The fact that this thread exists indicates that there’s clearly some J passengers who find this intrusion annoying. It is not up to Y passengers to determine what they subjectively feel is “no big deal’ when they aren’t paying J fares and aren’t the ones affected!

What I don’t get is why passengers who have issues with toilet timing don’t just sit in row 30? Then the cart becomes a non issue.

And sure there is a sign 'business class only beyond this point' but is only visible if you're looking out for that sign.

Your difficulty in visualising the sign does not make it optional.

 

[sjk]

There seems to be some misguided egalitarianism about enforcing cabin-specific toilet access in Australia, I don't think the crews really want to.

It's just not an issue in Japan for crews or passengers. People understand and respect the rules.

 

[serfty]

I don't think the crews really want to.

It's a bit like "priority" boarding ... <runs and hides>

 

[JohnK]

Your difficulty in visualising the sign does not make it optional.

I'm obviously not the only one to miss the small sign that is out of the way.

And I'll keep sitting in rows 4-6 as is my entitlement and I'll use the toilet that makes sense at the time I need to use the toilet.

 

[durbrain]

I'm obviously not the only one to miss the small sign that is out of the way.

And the fact that you know it exists yet still choose to ignore it is the definition of entitlement.

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And I'll keep sitting in rows 4-6 as is my entitlement and I'll use the toilet that makes sense at the time I need to use the toilet.

Translation: Rules only selectively apply to me.

 

[durbrain]

And didn’t you once complain about Qantas seating a no status passenger next to you in Row 4 when other rows had empty middle seats?

Ie demanding a shadow which is NOT something you’re entitled to?

And here you’re expecting passengers in J to tolerate your whims because you deem it “no big deal”?

So you’re entitled to an exclusive row 4 shadow (which you have not paid for) but J passengers aren’t entitled to an exclusive cabin (which they have paid for)? It’s the height of hypocrisy. Rules to be bent only when they suit you?

 

[sjk]

I'm obviously not the only one to miss the small sign that is out of the way.

And I'll keep sitting in rows 4-6 as is my entitlement and I'll use the toilet that makes sense at the time I need to use the toilet.

JohnK, you've inspired me to start sending feedback after each of my J flights. I might even need to get a little 'creative' to counter your approach to the rules, and perhaps also ask some of my colleagues to share the load.

Having worked as a CA in the past, I can assure you that 'idiosyncratic' approaches to interpreting the rules really aren't appreciated.