Lack of curtains separating Business and Economy on 737

[UP4014]

Can you read? Only business class passengers beyond this point. The J cabin is clearly an entitlement that J passengers pay for.

As is the meal. The alcohol. The amenity kit. And many other things ppl who choose to pay 4 times the cost of a Y ticket are entitled to.

The only “entitlement” in this thread are the Y freeloaders who feel they can take a dump wherever they please just because “I shouldn’t have to line up like everybody else”.

Everyone walks through J to Y then moving J to the back makes sense if you don't want disturbance.

If the flight is a hour and there is a meal service the trolleys block the isle and logical to go forward.

If you think Y are freeloaders and J imust have its own bathroom at all costs then perhaps chartering your own aircraft is the solution.

 

[durbrain]

Amazing that despite:

1. The J toilet being located in the J cabin
2. A sign saying “Only business class passengers beyond this point”
3. Cabin crew announcing that the J toilet is for J passengers

That Y flying clowns on red e-deals here still believe that it is their right to use this toilet! And with such indignation that they truly believe that having to wait in a Y queue is a violation of their human rights.

 

[Gold60]

Aaaahhh oh wise one. i think we are on the same plane here (no pun intended ). when in J i would use J, or Y in an emergency, and same the other way around.

Like yourself, i try and avoid on-plane toilets if at all humanely possible - not a lot of room to swing a cat - or small kitten - and all that sort of thing - plus the attendant squishy sensation underfoot at times. i am also a tall person, and temporarily roundish - so size does matter in this case.

Not that i am in J all that often anyway - so it's no a real biggy for me......

Well it might mean if Y toilets are broken then they have to just grin and bare it.

On the rare times when I am in J, if the Y passengers use the J bathroom when its free and there is a meal service blocking them then its just not a big deal. If they queued to use it then that would be very annoying. I'd never use the J loo if in Y unless I had a real emergency happening. I loathe using any toilets on a plane.

But clearly some J passengers presume that every Y passenger using the forward toilets are arrogant jerks. Whatever, I have more important issues to get angst about.

 

[durbrain]

Everyone walks through J to Y then moving J to the back makes sense if you don't want disturbance.

Everyone walks through J to get to the Y cabin. Everyone does not need to walk through J during the flight.

If the flight is a hour and there is a meal service the trolleys block the isle and logical to go forward.

No. The logical thing is to plan ahead and control your bladder/bowel for 20 mins like a normal human adult.

If you think Y are freeloaders and J imust have its own bathroom at all costs then perhaps chartering your own aircraft is the solution.

Ridiculous suggestion. J has its own bathroom. Y passengers just need to be put in their place.

 

[Pushka]

Y passengers just need to be put in their place.

And there we have it.

 

[durbrain]

And there we have it.

Typical. Claiming moral high ground in order to deflect one’s sanctioning of theft behaviour.

 

[Denali]

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No. The logical thing is to plan ahead and control your bladder/bowel for 20 mins like a normal human adult.
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In fairness, we all have an off day occasionally, especially if travelling, where any water closet is a boat in safe harbour.

 

[Pushka]

Typical. Claiming moral high ground in order to deflect one’s sanctioning of theft behaviour.

It’s probably a little silly saying such stuff when you don’t know me. I’m a former police officer. I loathe queue jumpers, and don’t like it when people board from the priority lane when they shouldn’t. I’m not a fan of people using the J toilets in Y and as stated have never done so myself. But humans have frailties and sometimes that means they sometimes get caught short. Can’t get to the back toilet. And then there’s a bunch who are lazy. But don’t tar everyone with the same brush. You don’t know their story. It’s like me saying that all J passengers are self important tossers. Which I wouldn’t do.

 

[juddles]

Without having read most of this thread, I am clear. J cabin is for J pax. End of story. If for whatever problems (drinks trolley, whatever) Y pax are inconvenienced, that is airline problem. IMHO experience airlines advise that J (or F) bathrooms are for J or F pax. I don't want Y pax to enter my J cabin. Not being stuck-up. Just want respected the deal I think I pay for.

 

[Pushka]

Without having read most of this thread, I am clear. J cabin is for J pax. End of story. If for whatever problems (drinks trolley, whatever) Y pax are inconvenienced, that is airline problem. IMHO experience airlines advise that J (or F) bathrooms are for J or F pax. I don't want Y pax to enter my J cabin. Not being stuck-up. Just want respected the deal I think I pay for.

And as an individual experiencing an issue perhaps the airlines response might be for a cabin attendant to allow you to use the most available toilet where necessary. Wherever that is.

 

[juddles]

And as an individual experiencing an issue perhaps the airlines response might be for a cabin attendant to allow you to use the most available toilet where necessary. Wherever that is.

No pushka, if you paid for Y, you paid for that cabin, and its services. These things may be a "one off" for the individual, but they are a constant for the overall mis-use of other cabins.

 

[Pushka]

No pushka, if you paid for Y, you paid for that cabin, and its services. These things may be a "one off" for the individual, but they are a constant for the overall mis-use of other cabins.

Agree in principle, but sometimes sh^t happens.

 

[durbrain]

It’s probably a little silly saying such stuff when you don’t know me.

As opposed to your passive-aggressive "And there we have it" comment.

I’m a former police officer. I loathe queue jumpers, and don’t like it when people board from the priority lane when they shouldn’t. I’m not a fan of people using the J toilets in Y and as stated have never done so myself.

Thank you for your life story, but it is of no relevance to this thread. 95% of my domestic flights are Y, but that doesn't change the fact that J cabin is for J passengers. This isn't Today Tonight.

But humans have frailties and sometimes that means they sometimes get caught short. Can’t get to the back toilet.

If you'd read the thread properly, you'd realise that I (and many others) don't have a problem with Y passengers using the J toilets in genuine urgent situations (high frequency turtlenecking, major soilage imminent kind of situation). This would constitute an absolute minority of passengers and in no way explains the frequency at which J cabin intrusions occur on almost every flight. From what I have witnessed, none of the Y scum that strut their way forward appear in any distress. I'm sure some on this forum would claim to be 'in distress' because they, god forbid, had to hold their bladder for 10 mins (after downing 8 VBs in the Qantas club). These are the same kind of fruitcakes that feel they're entitled to disabled parking spots because of they're 'depressed'.

 

[Pushka]

As opposed to your passive-aggressive "And there we have it" comment.



Thank you for your life story, but it is of no relevance to this thread. 95% of my domestic flights are Y, but that doesn't change the fact that J cabin is for J passengers. This isn't Today Tonight.



If you'd read the thread properly, you'd realise that I (and many others) don't have a problem with Y passengers using the J toilets in genuine urgent situations (high frequency turtlenecking, major soilage imminent kind of situation). This would constitute an absolute minority of passengers and in no way explains the frequency at which J cabin intrusions occur on almost every flight. From what I have witnessed, none of the Y scum that strut their way forward appear in any distress. I'm sure some on this forum would claim to be 'in distress' because they, god forbid, had to hold their bladder for 10 mins (after downing 8 VBs in the Qantas club). These are the same kind of fruitcakes that feel they're entitled to disabled parking spots because of they're 'depressed'.

When you attack my honesty in terms of sanctifying dishonest behaviours then you will wear it. It’s a hot button for me. Life story? Sheesh. Your recent posts in no way supported the use of the J loo by Y passengers in emergency; in fact you referenced such users as disreputable scum or similar. What does Scum from Y look like? How do you know the person is not genuinely inconvenienced? They usually don’t wear a sign. And what the heck does disabled car spaces have to do with any of this? Wow, so many long bows drawn.

Other than the stuff you threw at me we generally agree but from recent posts you made no reference to genuine need; instead you judged them as being scum. Whatever, I’m done.

 

[durbrain]

When you attack my honesty in terms of sanctifying dishonest behaviours then you will wear it. It’s a hot button for me. Your recent posts in no way supported the use of the J loo by Y passengers in emergency; in fact you referenced such users as disreputable scum or similar. What does Scum from Y look like? How do you know the person is not genuinely inconvenienced? They usually don’t wear a sign. And what the heck does disabled car spaces have to do with any of this? Wow, so many long bows drawn.

Other than the stuff you threw at me we generally agree but from recent posts you made no reference to genuine need; instead you judged them as being scum.

Read the thread. Not my issue if you joined the conversation mid-way.

My recent posts are in reference to the majority of Y scum that use the J toilets. And yes, they are some combination of entitled, lazy and/or stupid.

And no, I cannot with 100% certainty know that every J-toileting Y passenger is not genuinely convenience. But I'm going to make a quite reasonable assumption that given the frequency with which it happens, these 'genuine' passengers are in the absolutely minority. So yes, I tar the overall population of J-toileting Y passengers as scum/thieves.

 

[durbrain]

And I'm not sure we really agree. You seemed to sympathise with this behaviour when you stated that "The issue is Qantas don't advertise an exclusive J toilet". That's simply not an appropriate reason to use the J toilet if you're a Y passenger.

It's in the J cabin. Y passengers are not allowed in the J cabin. Ergo they can't access the J toilet. End of story.

 

[JohnK]

But it is; they tell you in the announcement which toilet is for J, and which for Y. You're meant to follow all cabin crew instructions....

So when I ask to use front toilet and CSM/cabin crew give the ok is that OK? Or should I just head down the back without asking?

Happy to report that no one from economy used the front toilet last night while I was seated in 2F. I feel so much better now.

 

[Pushka]

And I'm not sure we really agree. You seemed to sympathise with this behaviour when you stated that "The issue is Qantas don't advertise an exclusive J toilet". That's simply not an appropriate reason to use the J toilet if you're a Y passenger.

It's in the J cabin. Y passengers are not allowed in the J cabin. Ergo they can't access the J toilet. End of story.

Not sympathising with the behaviour and just restating that I believe it is a custom/policy that J pax are only ones allowed access rather than a written T&C when purchasing a J ticket. And that makes a difference.

I did post on page 1 of this thread btw, just didn’t bother with the middling pages. So I missed when you posted that in emergencies the use by Y pax was fine. Perhaps you could repost?

 

[UP4014]

And as an individual experiencing an issue perhaps the airlines response might be for a cabin attendant to allow you to use the most available toilet where necessary. Wherever that is.

Crew have directed me to the front bathroom when in Y when I've stood up in row 4 on a 737.

All good and I didn't notice any sneers from the front row.

 

[Pushka]

Crew have directed me to the front bathroom when in Y when I've stood up in row 4 on a 737.

All good and I didn't notice any sneers from the front row.

Deaf maybe? Blind?. Incontinent.