Lack of curtains separating Business and Economy on 737

[pagingjoan]

True but the Reserve area toilets are on a completely different location and often difficult to find unless you are in the reserve area

In some situations, you could be one row over from the barrier to entry to the adjacent section.

Of course, I was responding to your earlier explicit statement that "you don’t see toilets elsewhere separated according to ability to pay or because The clientele of of a different “class”. (Sic)"

As I said, that is exactly what you do see in a range of situations. The example I gave is just one of many.
(But I won't go on. It won't change a thing. )

 

[Quickstatus]

Haha no problem. I had not thought about reserve areas at sports stadiums

However I still think it’s not a good look overall.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

But to have a special reserved one just up the aisle to me is silly - just have FA use a bit of discretion. (But....as if FA don’t have enough power)

And probably 12 passengers will not agree that the FA should use discretion.

The front WCs are also for use by the pilots. Don't need to have them hanging around waiting while there's a queue of people being sent up from the economy section.

What about J class pax queuing on the A380 or 747 to use the business class toilets. Should they be allowed to use first class?

For the most part airline travel is discretionary spend. If you don't like the idea of standing, stretching your legs, and waiting for a couple minutes to use the WC while on the way to a fantastic holiday in Singapore or Bali, there are other choices.

 

[JohnK]

Queuing for toilets is not uncommon but you don’t see toilets elsewhere separated according to ability to pay or because The clientele of of a different “class”

A toilet is a toilet. I understand that queueing in business class is not acceptable but an empty toilet should be utilised if there is a queue elsewhere.

 

[Quickstatus]

Easy enough for the FA to give pilot preferential access as they often do by blocking galley with a trolley when pilot is outside flight deck.

Yes J should be allowed to use F toilets - but as always with FA discretion

 

[Flying_man]

This issue exist not just on plane and sports stadium, but also in private home.
In my home in the morning the children are often queuing up to use bathroom. They ask me: “dad can we use master ensuite” and I tell them NO! Master ensuite is for master of house, which is me.

 

[Daver6]

That sounds awful. The cabin crew have to be able to judicially use the J toilets to avoid this. How would someone in the rear actually join the queue?

I wondered the same thing...until I got near the front and someone in the rear row stood up and basically joined the front of the queue. They were super courteous and let me go first, but hardly an ideal situation.

What makes matters worse is there is a build-up. Between trays going out and being collected would have been close on two hours. During that portion of the flight it makes it nearly impossibly for the majority of pax to use the facilities. So once trays are cleared a rush occurred which didn't die down.

 

[amaroo]

Yes J should be allowed to use F toilets - but as always with FA discretion

hahaha, pretty sure we were on the same flight where you got busted for coming down the stairs using my F dunny?

As Yul Brynner would say F = F, J = J, etc, etc, etc

 

[kermatu]

I'm all for FA discretion but as soon as one Y pax is let through it's open slather. The best CSMs send a very clear message at the start that the premium toilets are for premium pax only and turn back the first few Y pax who attempt to breach the curtain-less border. Y pax pretty quickly get the message. Allows genuine cases only to then be allowed entry. Not really that hard.

As a pretty frequent J passenger I don't expect to have to queue for the bathroom. Even if there's a gentle trickle (sorry) of Y pax coming forward, I'd feel obliged to get up and queue. As a result, a key benefit I have paid for is eliminated. Not acceptable.

 

[Quickstatus]

hahaha, pretty sure we were on the same flight where you got busted for coming down the stairs using my F dunny?

As Yul Brynner would say F = F, J = J, etc, etc, etc

Never got busted as I always ask permission. And never been refused. Ask nicely...
And Yul is correct and a toilet = toilet. Interestingly the F toilets are nothing special. Same as J IMO

 

[Quickstatus]

Never got busted as I always ask permission. And never been refused. Ask nicely...
And Yul is correct and a toilet = toilet. Interestingly the F toilets are nothing special. Same as J IMO

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Can someone find a marketing blurb or ticket condition that premium cabins and toilets are exclusive to ticket holders of that cabin?

 

[Happy Trails]

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Can someone find a marketing blurb or ticket condition that premium cabins and toilets are exclusive to ticket holders of that cabin?

I doubt it (having had a quick look), but wouldn't it just fall under the general remit of obeying crew instructions?

 

[Quickstatus]

I doubt it (having had a quick look), but wouldn't it just fall under the general remit of obeying crew instructions?

Correct. And if the cabin crew discreetly allows it when the queue gets a bit long for Y then I don’t see an issue. Or when the Y passenger asks nicely and CC allows it then no issue as well. As I said before a bit of flexibility goes a long way.
(Of course a power tripping cabin crew can be the issue. One can ask but should not always expect the answer that one seeks)

 

[Pushka]

Never got busted as I always ask permission. And never been refused. Ask nicely...
And Yul is correct and a toilet = toilet. Interestingly the F toilets are nothing special. Same as J IMO

Except when they are Emirates F

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Can someone find a marketing blurb or ticket condition that premium cabins and toilets are exclusive to ticket holders of that cabin?

I search a few days ago and there is nothing in the J Experience suggesting that it is exclusive, that I could find anyway.

 

[amaroo]

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And Yul is correct and a toilet = toilet. Interestingly the F toilets are nothing special. Same as J IMO

Except the couple of buckets loads less of that sticky stuff on the floor

 

[Quickstatus]

Except the couple of buckets loads less of that sticky stuff on the floor

That’s only if you do what other J passengers do which is to not wear shoes to use the loos. I’m sure F passengers are of a superior class to even contemplate displaying such uncouth behaviour

Are Inferior cabin class passengers of inferior manners and upbringing?

 

[amaroo]

That’s only if you do what other J passengers do which is to not wear shoes to use the loos. I’m sure F passengers are of a superior class to even contemplate displaying such uncouth behaviour

Are Inferior cabin class passengers of inferior manners and upbringing?

It’s a numbers game ..... less seats = less sticky stuff.

 

[marki]

I dont see what the issue is because I don't recall the airline marketing a domestic J cabin as exclusive and private.
The price of a J seat is the price of a J seat. What privileges people want to attribute to that is their business but privacy and exclusivity of cabin and toilet is as official as a shadow. Im pretty sure the toilet at the front does not say J passengers only.

Try and use the first class toilets on a Qantas flight ............its not advertise as exclusive or private either. Kicked out unceremoniously is an understatement.

 

[durbrain]

Try and use the first class toilets on a Qantas flight ............its not advertise as exclusive or private either. Kicked out unceremoniously is an understatement.

Is this a joke? Does the toilet really need to be ‘advertised’ as exclusive/private? It’s in the J cabin ffs. Common sense people.

Can someone show me an ‘advertising blurb’ saying the J overhead lockers are exclusive/private? How about the J air vents?

 

[GoldCanyon340]

Try and use the first class toilets on a Qantas flight ............its not advertise as exclusive or private either. Kicked out unceremoniously is an understatement.

I have less of an issue with J passengers prevented from coming downstairs to use the toilets on an A380, the F passengers have paid far more (points) than J . Seriously though, there's possibly a Health and Safety issue with pax descending the stairs if sudden turbulence strikes . BA ropes off the stairway on its A380s and I believe that's the best policy.