Lack of curtains separating Business and Economy on 737

[durbrain]

Please re-read my post, rather than selectively quote me. I refer only to domestic priority services.

My bad! So next time we should all flood the domestic J lounge on red e-deals. Don’t let them turn you away. Stand your ground - ‘non insider dk4 with insider info’ says its company policy!

 

[durbrain]

I think we’ve reached peak absurdness for the justifications ppl are coming up with to rationalise their abuse of the J toilet. Guys, just stretch your legs, stop being entitled princesses and control your bodily functions like a normal member of society.

 

[dk4]

So next time we should all flood the domestic J lounge on red e-deals. Don’t let them turn you away. Stand your ground - ‘non insider dk4 with insider info’ says its company policy!

You are hilarious durbrain, clearly access to the Qantas domestic ground lounge products is restricted, but access to domestic services like priority check in queue and boarding queue isn't. (The worst rebuke you will get is "next time please...")

Don't get angry at me because you don't like the way Qantas does business, I gave you two suggested options before; either write to Qantas or fly the competition - ENOUGH SAID METHINKS.

 

[Pleb Status]

Bold move reopening this thread...

 

[Gold60]

I Believe Humphrey Appleby once expressed a similar concern....

Bold move reopening this thread...

 

[TheRealTMA]

This post is heading the same as some others, slagging off Y passengers.

No, not really. Just whY passengers who are too self-important or DYKWIA and don’t want to obey rules.

But it would seem the thread has past its use by date.

 

[UP4014]

No, not really. Just whY passengers who are too self-important or DYKWIA and don’t want to obey rules.

But it would seem the thread has past its use by date.

As I said it's not a rule, it's a request.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

As I said it's not a rule, it's a request.

Looking at some information provided by CASA here: CAAP 253-2(0): Passenger safety information: Guidelines on the content and standard of safety information to be provided to passengers by aircraft operators

It says:

2.3 SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION

2.3.1 The following information should be included in the oral briefing to ensure understanding and compliance with all safety requirements:
(a) requirement for passengers to abide by crew member instructions and passenger information signs eg. lighted information signs, placards;
(b) the location of safety information cards and the fact that they contain additional safety information that the passengers should read; and
(c) instructions regarding passenger pre-takeoff requirements ie. position of seat backs, tray tables and any other item that is not in its appropriate stowage location.
​

'Business class only beyond this point' is on a placard. While it is only semi safety related (protection of the flightdeck), I'm wondering if it could be the basis for a rule rather than a request?

 

[tgh]

I can see it now.. The great unwashed peeing in the aisles while the glitterati demand the airline do something……
Is there a rule that says one must use the loo ?

 

[UP4014]

Looking at some information provided by CASA here: CAAP 253-2(0): Passenger safety information: Guidelines on the content and standard of safety information to be provided to passengers by aircraft operators

It says:

2.3 SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION

2.3.1 The following information should be included in the oral briefing to ensure understanding and compliance with all safety requirements:
(a) requirement for passengers to abide by crew member instructions and passenger information signs eg. lighted information signs, placards;
(b) the location of safety information cards and the fact that they contain additional safety information that the passengers should read; and
(c) instructions regarding passenger pre-takeoff requirements ie. position of seat backs, tray tables and any other item that is not in its appropriate stowage location.
​

'Business class only beyond this point' is on a placard. While it is only semi safety related (protection of the flightdeck), I'm wondering if it could be the basis for a rule rather than a request?

But it's not safety related that's why the sign doesn't get enforced, if they were protecting the flight deck the toilet would be in the coughpit and everyone would be going down the back.

 

[TheRealTMA]

As I said it's not a rule, it's a request.

Well, obey the request or do a Gérard Xavier Marcel Depardieu and bring your own Evian bottle.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

But it's not safety related that's why the sign doesn't get enforced, if they were protecting the flight deck the toilet would be in the coughpit and everyone would be going down the back.

Maybe it depends on the country. In the USA it is a requirement for passengers to remain within their ticketed cabin, with the point being made this includes WCs. It's in part a safety requirement there for protection of the flight deck.

 

[UP4014]

Maybe it depends on the country. In the USA it is a requirement for passengers to remain within their ticketed cabin, with the point being made this includes WCs. It's in part a safety requirement there for protection of the flight deck.

It maybe in the US and the DPRNK but I thought the whine was about Australian domestic?

 

[straitman]

This is exactly what the entitled ‘it’s all about me’ brigade believe. As long as they don’t get in trouble, it’s fine in their eyes.


Seems like there’s 3 types of ppl that are happy to abuse the J toilet:

1. Entitled degenerates who just don’t give a cough

2. Lazy degenerates who refuse to plan around cart time.

3. The catastrophically incontinent. (I have a bit of sympathy for this minority but maybe they should be wearing diapers).

Next thing you know these muppets will be self serving themselves food from the J carts because “there’s no rule saying I can’t”.

#2 & 3 here are IMHO offensive, inappropriate and over the top. As someone who has had Prostate Cancer I can tell you that ‘planning’ as you put it does not always work.

Also the last sentence referring to ‘muppets’ is just ludicrous and offensive.

I’ve never seen or heard a CSM or cabin crew invite Y pax to use the front toilet.

Time you got out more then as I have seen it a lot times on both QF, FJ and VA.

No, I have not experienced that because, unlike some, I am able to control my bodily functions for the 30 mins the cart is out.

Over half the drivers in Sydney commute for > 30 mins. One wonders how they manage to survive such a daily ordeal if Y passengers are a representative cross section of the population??

I also sit in row 4 a lot and have never seen an CSM approaching a passenger unsolicited stating "Would kind sir care to freshen up in the forward cabin powder room?". I wonder if sjk could confirm this common practice that I am obviously not privy to. Clearly such treatment is only bestowed upon special passengers such as yourself!

Again I find you condescending tones offensive. I repeat that I have been there numerous times when one of the cabin crew have offered Y passengers use of the front toilets and as someone else has pointed out it’s not as simplistic as being all about 30 minutes.

I think we’ve reached peak absurdness for the justifications ppl are coming up with to rationalise their abuse of the J toilet. Guys, just stretch your legs, stop being entitled princesses and control your bodily functions like a normal member of society.

This comment in itself reaches the peak of absurdness. All people have said here to justify their positions is logical and/or what the cabin crew have advised them to do.

Even on the occasions when invited to ‘go forward’ I normally will go to the rear but go forward when necessary. Ie it happens.

 

[durbrain]

You are hilarious durbrain, clearly access to the Qantas domestic ground lounge products is restricted, but access to domestic services like priority check in queue and boarding queue isn't.

Oh so suddenly the 'company policy' has changed so there's exceptions? How convenient.

Still waiting to see a copy of this 'internal policy'. Or are we just meant to believe that you heard it from a reliable source such as the third cousin of your favourite teacher's ex-wife's pet turtle?

 

[durbrain]

#2 & 3 here are IMHO offensive, inappropriate and over the top. As someone who has had Prostate Cancer I can tell you that ‘planning’ as you put it does not always work.

As I and many others have stated on multiple occasions, the issue is not with the occasional and unpredictable bladder/bowel urgency. That said, if one knows they have a condition that requires quick and unscheduled visits to the bathroom, as raised by other posters, why aren't they choosing a seat near the toilet?

Also the last sentence referring to ‘muppets’ is just ludicrous and offensive.

Stealing is an offensive behaviour. Just because it's semi-normalised doesn't mean it's wrong. If you pirate movies, you're a muppet (regardless of how many others do it). Same situation here. If thieves want respect, they need to behave respectfully.

Again I find you condescending tones offensive. I repeat that I have been there numerous times when one of the cabin crew have offered Y passengers use of the front toilets and as someone else has pointed out it’s not as simplistic as being all about 30 minutes..

Again this has been addressed. If one attempts to inconvenience the cabin crew by barging down from row 4 to the back toilets during cart time, of course they're going to ask you to go up front. It's the lesser of two evils. Still makes said passenger and selfish clown for not planning ahead. And yes it is as simplistic as being "all about 30 minutes" because humanity is able to cope with such timeframes in plenty of other situations. Funny how you don't hear about people coughping in their cars during the daily commute as frequently as you do about Y passengers "requiring" the use of the J toilet!

This comment in itself reaches the peak of absurdness. All people have said here to justify their positions is logical and/or what the cabin crew have advised them to do.

Really?
1. "Qantas has a company policy which says all signs relating to domestic priority services are optional and not to be enforced by cabin crew". Logical?? So all these 'signs' are for what? Decoration?
2. "Signs are suggestions, not rules". Logical? Again, what's the point of the sign? And even if true, still makes you an entitled brat for willfully disobeying it. If there's a "Quiet please" sign in the library, being an obnoxious loudmouth still makes you a prick even if you can't be prosecuted.
3. "The business passengers only beyond this point sign is hard to see". Logical?? So even though you know it exists, because you think others don't see it, that gives you the right to ignore it?

At the end of the day, these clowns deprive paying J passengers of something they paid for. Not sure why one is worried about 'offending' these undesirables.

 

[davidj]

Pax in business and first should receive a temporary sensor key card for access to their special room?

Nevertheless, I find it fascinating that many folk here consider:

1. Number of toilets on an aircraft,
2. Who uses those toilets and
3. The amenities and facilities of those toilets

so critical to the enjoyment of thier flight. It almost seems the norm to have 'weak bladder syndrome'.

And since when does etiquette about ones behaviour get thrown out the window? Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. To me, this spells a breakdown in society.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

....so critical to ther enjoyment of thier flight.

It's a little bit like not wanting to be sat next to the toilet or kitchen in a restaurant. Not many people like having a stream of people or waiters walking past to go to the WC or kitchen.

Sort of applies on a plane too. If you have 20 people walking past while you're trying to eat/relax/snooze it doesn't always make for a relaxing time.

 

[straitman]

As I and many others have stated on multiple occasions, the issue is not with the occasional and unpredictable bladder/bowel urgency. That said, if one knows they have a condition that requires quick and unscheduled visits to the bathroom, as raised by other posters, why aren't they choosing a seat near the toilet?

Stealing is an offensive behaviour. Just because it's semi-normalised doesn't mean it's wrong. If you pirate movies, you're a muppet (regardless of how many others do it). Same situation here. If thieves want respect, they need to behave respectfully.

Again this has been addressed. If one attempts to inconvenience the cabin crew by barging down from row 4 to the back toilets during cart time, of course they're going to ask you to go up front. It's the lesser of two evils. Still makes said passenger and selfish clown for not planning ahead. And yes it is as simplistic as being "all about 30 minutes" because humanity is able to cope with such timeframes in plenty of other situations. Funny how you don't hear about people coughping in their cars during the daily commute as frequently as you do about Y passengers "requiring" the use of the J toilet!

Really?
1. "Qantas has a company policy which says all signs relating to domestic priority services are optional and not to be enforced by cabin crew". Logical?? So all these 'signs' are for what? Decoration?
2. "Signs are suggestions, not rules". Logical? Again, what's the point of the sign? And even if true, still makes you an entitled brat for willfully disobeying it. If there's a "Quiet please" sign in the library, being an obnoxious loudmouth still makes you a prick even if you can't be prosecuted.
3. "The business passengers only beyond this point sign is hard to see". Logical?? So even though you know it exists, because you think others don't see it, that gives you the right to ignore it?

At the end of the day, these clowns deprive paying J passengers of something they paid for. Not sure why one is worried about 'offending' these undesirables.

Interesting response and clearly from a position of 'I am 100% right irrespective of anything you say'

Reread some of what has been written because your answer is all about what you want to say and not about I or anyone else has responsed to you and clearly skips the bits you don't like. I'll say it again simply that to even suggest that people would steal from a trolly is ludicrous and offensive.

It is IMHO almost akin to Trolling.

As someone who has lived and breathed aviation, from the front seats not the back, for about 50 years I can assure you that I understand aircraft signage, regulations and methodology quite clearly and that my knowledge of CAOs, CARs, CASRs, SOPs etc is far more extensive than most people here.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

As someone who has lived and breathed aviation, from the front seats not the back, for about 50 years I can assure you that I understand aircraft signage, regulations and methodology quite clearly and that my knowledge of CAOs, CARs, CASRs, SOPs etc is far more extensive than most people here.

So perhaps what we need here is an explanation. Why do airlines - including Qantas - post a placard saying 'business class only beyond this point'? Does it have any meaning? And if not, why do they put it there?