Lack of curtains separating Business and Economy on 737

[oz_mark]

I think disappointing that durbrian is putting his view across in rude way. This is because I agree with many of the point made by durbrian but he says it in way that is not nice or kind. He is rude to mr John k. In my understanding mr John k is a senior member in this forum and even if you disagree with his view you should treat him with reverence. Big shame that durbrian correct argument is ruined by way it presented

What, treat Mr JohnK esq. with reverence??? Crazy Talk

 

[Toad]

Are there really any DYWKIAers in this thread? I think most have said they only use the front toilet under certain conditions?

It was tongue in cheek thing JohnK was not meant to offend just try and liven up some meaningful debate

 

[marki]

business is a class, I am in business therefore ergo class. Could also use this logic from row 23

Are there really any DYWKIAers in this thread? I think most have said they only use the front toilet under certain conditions?

Ms Piggy is the most represent-able DYKWIA ....hrrrrm don't you know.......

 

[Toad]

Ms Piggy is the most represent-able DYKWIA ....hrrrrm don't you know.......

Yes she is a legend and at the top of the list and has been a great mentor for numbers of others...........

 

[Pushka]

I think the curtain was dreadful in row 4. The bottom edge basically sat around your legs if in 4c. Booked that seat for MrP once and never again. I was sitting in 4B . The rope would be enough but it seems it’s a deliberate Qantas act not to use it.

 

[Toad]

Yes

I think the curtain was dreadful in row 4. The bottom edge basically sat around your legs if in 4c. Booked that seat for MrP once and never again. I was sitting in 4B . The rope would be enough but it seems it’s a deliberate Qantas act not to use it.

Would it not just have been an easy solution to just sit in a row further back down the plane and problem solved but yes the curtains were very old fashioned and could of been better designed.

 

[dk4]

The rope would be enough but it seems it’s a deliberate Qantas act not to use it.

I agree that QF's ongoing relationship with a CL who may be sitting in row 4, is generally far more important to QAN's bottom line, than that it has with many of the other passengers sitting in rows 1-3.

However adding a rope across the aisle on a Qantas B737 wouldn't be easy. VA has a solid cabin partition between the seats at rows 2 and 3, and their aisle rope attaches to that. QF does not have a similar partition, so could only attach a rope to the physical seat at row 3 - do it on the seat back and it will likely detach over time (with movement due to seat reline or the seated customers' elbows/shoulders), do it on the seat base and it will likely be too low for people to see (and create a tripping hazard), do it too high up the arm rest and it will likely be knocked off by the seat user, do it too far forward and the J service cart wouldn't have enough room to serve row 3 passengers, do it too far back and those at seats 4C&D may inadvertently kick it off as they move around...

 

[dk4]

Delineation between J & Y on a VA B737 - image sourced from Virgin Australia 737 Domestic Business Class overview - Point Hacks

 

[Toad]

I agree that QF's ongoing relationship with a CL who may be sitting in row 4, is generally far more important to QAN's bottom line, than that it has with many of the other passengers sitting in rows 1-3.

However adding a rope across the aisle on a Qantas B737 wouldn't be easy. VA has a solid cabin partition between the seats at rows 2 and 3, and their aisle rope attaches to that. QF does not have a similar partition, so could only attach a rope to the physical seat at row 3 - do it on the seat back and it will likely detach over time (with movement due to seat reline or the seated customers' elbows/shoulders), do it on the seat base and it will likely be too low for people to see (and create a tripping hazard), do it to high up the arm rest and it will likely be knocked off by the seat user, do it too far forward and the J service cart wouldn't have enough room to serve row 3 passengers, do it too far back and those at seats 4C&D may inadvertently kick it off as they move around...

Hmmmmm if QF consider that CL so important that without them QF might come crumbling down then why are they not seated in row 1-3. Without all the punters down the back of the plane with their keisters on the seats what have you got empty planes. Its my understanding its the Qantas Frequent Flyer program that makes them the most cash.

Rope well I think a creative aviation engineer could sort it out safely

IMO solution If QF are not interested in providing the same level of service to domestic business class passengers like VA. Remove all the business class seats from the oldest 738s. Replace them with economy seats and use them on the domestic network. Keep suffient later versions configured with business for international purposes. Problem solved, no business class incursions everyone is in economy class and leave the domestic business class to VA

Just my 2 cents worth and opinion that means absolutely squat with this issue. All I bring to the table is if I am invited by the FA (I am WP) to use the forward lav. I decline if there is no reason other then an invitation for me to use it I go down the back and out of respect for the boundaries (the placard saying keep out business class) of the business class and the individual travellers themselves who had paid premium price for those services at the pointy end. For me personally to do anything other then that would be just plain wrong but then that's just me.

 

[Toad]

Delineation between J & Y on a VA B737 - image sourced from Virgin Australia 737 Domestic Business Class overview - Point Hacks

Yes a lot more exclusive experience isn't it then QF offerings

 

[JohnK]

I think the curtain was dreadful in row 4. The bottom edge basically sat around your legs if in 4c. Booked that seat for MrP once and never again. I was sitting in 4B . The rope would be enough but it seems it’s a deliberate Qantas act not to use it.

The curtain was awful. Apart from being claustrophobic you couldn't see any of the screens in front and the curtain would end up around my legs.

 

[Pushka]

Would it not just have been an easy solution to just sit in a row further back down the plane and problem solved but yes the curtains were very old fashioned and could of been better designed.

Well yes of course, but I didn’t know the issue when I booked the seats.

 

[Toad]

Well yes of course, but I didn’t know the issue when I booked the seats.

Point taken yes it would of been an awful experience and I tried to avoid those seats like the plague.

 

[Toad]

I think the curtain was dreadful in row 4. The bottom edge basically sat around your legs if in 4c. Booked that seat for MrP once and never again. I was sitting in 4B . The rope would be enough but it seems it’s a deliberate Qantas act not to use it.

Particularly when someone with some inside info has posted that the CSMs petitioned QF and just got a deaf ear and they were told no to just handle it themselves. I feel sorry for the staff to be put in such situations as I believe they are being compromised to make decisions that are obviously causing angst on whatever side of the partition you are sitting. otherwise I don't think this thread would of lasted long if it wasn't a real issue to customers.

 

[Hvr]

Travelling today from MEL-CHC I saw this lack of curtain in action. I was in J and having Y pax coming through the cabin disrupting the very slow meal service was quite annoying.

There were also times when J pax had to join the queue of Y pax to use the toilet. Not appropriate at all.

 

[Gold60]

were you on QF, or another airline ?

Travelling today from MEL-CHC I saw this lack of curtain in action. I was in J and having Y pax coming through the cabin disrupting the very slow meal service was quite annoying.

There were also times when J pax had to join the queue of Y pax to use the toilet. Not appropriate at all.

 

[Toad]

Travelling today from MEL-CHC I saw this lack of curtain in action. I was in J and having Y pax coming through the cabin disrupting the very slow meal service was quite annoying.

There were also times when J pax had to join the queue of Y pax to use the toilet. Not appropriate at all.

Yep the system is an absolute joke for the thousands you pay to be in business class. So much for premium airline

 

[Hvr]

were you on QF, or another airline ?

QF133 Tuesday 01 May.

 

[Toad]

QF133 Tuesday 01 May.

Yep IME travelling business with QF on the 738 is substandard compared to VA. Same happened to me in J to DPS in Earlier this year going again in J at end of year not looking forward to the same cough experience for the money you pay. Suppose to be a very special anniversary but here is hoping that QF on the 738 J class can give us a glimpse of what we have paid for but I won’t hold my breath for it

 

[wrcmad]

Paying 4 times the price (a Y ticket may only be half a J class ticket or even closer in price by the way, I've seen them once at only $40 different between full Y and J Sydney to Melbourne ) does not grant 4 times he respect. Every person on a QF flight gets the same respect from the crew and should give each other the same respect and dignity regardless of front or back.

Who actually pays 4 times the price for domestic J?
Anyone who does that must have a severe inferiority complex?