Ladies , is a solo female FF who frequents First Lounges a rare breed indeed?

[artemis]

Yes, have to agree - after working so hard to gain the title, it is nice to be acknowledged as Dr. I must say though, that as a WP, when they come round to do the personal hello, they usually get it right. It's usually the ones at the gate or door that are too rushed in getting everyone on board that don't look properly at the boarding pass.

This is true - they are quite rushed and the DR is always squished up on the BP. But as they say, "I didn't spend seven years at evil medical school to be called 'Miss' thank you very much!".

I think the thing that's really bothersome here is that the assumption is that women are more likely to have a profession that doesn't have a title other than their marital status and the men are more likely to have a profession that does have a separate title (Dr/Rev/Prof/Captain etc)... I think that's a sad reflection of societal gender norms...

Espec when the airline industry does use titles - Captain, FO, CSM etc...!

And fwiw - it appears on this thread that the majority of single female FF are doctors! (if this is in fact the case, I guess when you see a WP single female in the Flounge or up the pointy end, you'll know you're in good hands??!)

 

[JohnK]

The only downside to gender is I hate being referred to as "Miss Artemis" by the cabin crew. It's Dr Artemis, for pete's sake. It's there on my boarding pass. I guess I should be grateful they don't call me Mrs Artemis.

Would Ms Artemis have been been more appropriate if they got the Dr part wrong?

 

[artemis]

Would Ms Artemis have been been more appropriate if they got the Dr part wrong?

absolutely!

 

[defurax]

This is true - they are quite rushed and the DR is always squished up on the BP. But as they say, "I didn't spend seven years at evil medical school to be called 'Miss' thank you very much!".

I think the thing that's really bothersome here is that the assumption is that women are more likely to have a profession that doesn't have a title other than their marital status and the men are more likely to have a profession that does have a separate title (Dr/Rev/Prof/Captain etc)... I think that's a sad reflection of societal gender norms...

Espec when the airline industry does use titles - Captain, FO, CSM etc...!

And fwiw - it appears on this thread that the majority of single female FF are doctors! (if this is in fact the case, I guess when you see a WP single female in the Flounge or up the pointy end, you'll know you're in good hands??!)

I wouldn't read too much into it. QF and AA are pretty good at getting the title right, but I'm a man and the Dr often becomes Mr and I couldn't care less...

 

[bismarck]

Slightly OT, but interesting how many Dr's there are here!


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[hossein_au]

Another "Dr" here, albeit PhD in rocket science (no, seriously!). And I couldn't care less about my title... My title is defined by me as a person, not the other way around ;-)

From my limited experience, medical doctors are the ones who get offended the easiest if the correct title is not used...

 

[Cruiser Elite]

Why is everyone in this thread crowing about being a Debtor - I hate owing money!

 

[hossein_au]

Why is everyone in this thread crowing about being a Debtor - I hate owing money!

No HECS debt here, thank you very much!

 

[artemis]

Another "Dr" here, albeit PhD in rocket science (no, seriously!). And I couldn't care less about my title... My title is defined by me as a person, not the other way around ;-)

From my limited experience, medical doctors are the ones who get offended the easiest if the correct title is not used...

actually, what i said was i don't like titles that define me by my marital status...

 

[Princess Fiona]

Another "Dr" here, albeit PhD in rocket science (no, seriously!). And I couldn't care less about my title... My title is defined by me as a person, not the other way around ;-)

From my limited experience, medical doctors are the ones who get offended the easiest if the correct title is not used...

And they're not real doctors at all :mrgreen:

 

[artemis]

And they're not real doctors at all :mrgreen:

well it's not as if they're brain surgeons!

 

[hossein_au]

And they're not real doctors at all :mrgreen:

I actually drafted that in my previous post, but I deleted it....

 

[hossein_au]

well it's not as if they're brain surgeons!

Surgeons worth their salt are titled "Mr". Go figure!!

 

[artemis]

Surgeons worth their salt are titled "Mr". Go figure!!

Actually - only in Victoria and SA.

And the female surgeons are titled Miss or Mrs, depending on their marital status and whether they've changed their surname.

The rest of us remain Dr (yes, yes, not the real type) or take an academic title.

 

[hossein_au]

actually, what i said was i don't like titles that define me by my marital status...

True. I'm with you there; I really don't get why female titles need to imply marital status.

 

[KitKat]

Another "Dr" here, albeit PhD in rocket science (no, seriously!). And I couldn't care less about my title... My title is defined by me as a person, not the other way around ;-)

From my limited experience, medical doctors are the ones who get offended the easiest if the correct title is not used...

YMMV, I prefer to be called by my first name, at work, at leisure etc
When someone starts with "Dr", it means this is serious.....
Then again, I work in a team environment mainly and we all rely on each other, so I prefer not be be addressed with any title

 

[KitKat]

Surgeons worth their salt are titled "Mr". Go figure!!

Because surgeons are really overqualified barbers

 

[Princess Fiona]

True. I'm with you there; I really don't get why female titles need to imply marital status.

I hate being called Mrs or Miss, it just grates with me. It is for this reason more than anything else that I have Dr on my FF accounts.
I think I might try to get someone to update the QF iPad thing to have me referred to by my first name only as that's what I introduce myself as professionally unless the patient is a pre-schooler and then it's Dr Fiona for clarity.

 

[artemis]

YMMV, I prefer to be called by my first name, at work, at leisure etc
When someone starts with "Dr", it means this is serious.....
Then again, I work in a team environment mainly and we all rely on each other, so I prefer not be be addressed with any title

Likewise, I prefer my first name to be used at work and play.

My comment was however that when my surname is used, as it is while boarding an aircraft, I prefer a non-marital status title (Ms or Dr).

I confess to sometimes relying on my title, since I'm a young-looking, female specialist and sometimes it provides a little gravitas. And as a surgeon, sometimes the situation is, as you say, serious!

Not to mention, there's no way I could possibly do half the stuff my nurses or secretary do - easier to explain that I'm just the surgeon!

 

[kelvedon]

Surgeons worth their salt are titled "Mr". Go figure!!

This is a tradition from a time when Physicians had formal medical training and used the title Dr to differentiate themselves from the Surgeons who set broken bones, pulled teeth or lanced boils and who were apprentice trained Barbers and Surgeons and were therefore "merely Mr".