Loud snoring

[Ewing]

I snore. I'd probably snore less if I skipped the champagne in the F lounge. Sorry.

As for others snoring, my noise cancelling headphones and earplugs take care of most of that. What they don't handle so well is a screaming baby or someone laughing out loud constantly for hours when watching something on the IFE.

 

[kpc]

I only find loud snoring to be a problem on the A380 with the quieter engines; nothing a good pair of NC earphone can't fix. On a 747, I can't hear anything. Whilst I do snore, especially if tired, my +1 tells me that I never stop breathing, fortunately.

 

[yo yo ma]

Can I suggest you consult a medical practitioner...

Adding to this; if obstructive sleep apnea (OSA) is suspected, your GP may send you for sleep studies... you can do them at a sleep study clinic or they can be done at home by wiring monitoring equipment to you.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

there are ways to stop very loud snoring - either sleep on your front, or don't go to sleep at all.

If you are flying and you are a very loud snorer you need to try and minimise your disruption.

If you are a passenger subjected to this it is perfectly ok to wake the person up. Sometimes waking them up gives you enough time to fall asleep yourself.

 

[TonyD]

If you are a passenger subjected to this it is perfectly ok to wake the person up. Sometimes waking them up gives you enough time to fall asleep yourself.

Yep as a snorer I reckon thats fair. Well apparently I snore , my wife & kids say I do, I reckon that its less of a problem sitting up but occasionaly a loud snort from myself has woken me.
I reckon 90% of my flights i fall asleep as we taxi out and wake around the belt sign going out - no idea why.
Its not controllable - other than losing 20 kg and not drinking - like I said not controllable - so sorry!!

PS I only read this thread to make sure i wasnt the subject of any posts!!

 

[mannej]

My son and I recorded a man snoring in the EK J lounge in Melbourne. It was 01.00 so he had an excuse for being asleep but boy, did he honk.
Glad to say, he was well away from us on the flight.
It was at the start of our trip and still gives us a laugh when we reflect on our holiday.

Question - is that not an invasion of that man's privacy?

 

[TonyD]

Question - is that not an invasion of that man's privacy?

no - he's in a public place

 

[mannej]

no - he's in a public place

Are you sure? I am not quite sure you are 100% right there.

 

[Mal Ware]

If you are a passenger subjected to this it is perfectly ok to wake the person up.

Not to sure about that one.

How would you do it? Touch them?
That could be classed as assault.....

"A person who strikes, touches, or moves, or otherwise applies force of any kind to, the person of another, either directly or indirectly, without the other person's consent"

I would not be happy if someone woke me just because I was snoring in an aircraft, surely the onus is on the disturbed passenger to block out the sound, it is not the snorers fault?

 

[medhead]

Question - is that not an invasion of that man's privacy?

It is often illegal to record people without their permission. I imagine that would apply here.


Sent from the Throne

 

[cove]

With my sleep machine I have moved fom 42% compliant in the first year to almost 100% about 8 or 10 years later.
I now wake up refreshed and Mrscove gets a great night sleep.
It is your call whether you get medical advice or go to a sleep clinic but I am glad I did.

 

[markis10]

It is often illegal to record people without their permission. I imagine that would apply here.


Sent from the Throne

The High Court reaffirmed in 2001 that "tort of invasion of privacy" does not exist in Australia :
ABC v Lenah Game Meats Pty Ltd [2001] HCA 63; 208 CLR 199; 185 ALR 1; 76 ALJR 1 (15 November 2001)

Most forms of unauthorised photography were in fact authorised by the same court in 1937:

Victoria Park Racing & Recreation Grounds Co Ltd v Taylor [1937] HCA 45; (1937) 58 CLR 479 (26 August 1937)

 

[Danger UXB]

If you don't fancy the full on CPAP ( although I tink they are actually APAP now ) machine then try looking at the oral appliances. Silent night from Germany is the small version, Sonomed is the "I'm almost as expensive as a CPAP " version and if you are a tooth grinder aswell MDSA is the fully indestructible vesion. And obviously if they fit in your mouth they will fit in a standard mouth guard case for travel aswell. Upwards of about $800 depending on the type of car your dentist drives!

Cheers Danger UXB

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Not to sure about that one.

How would you do it? Touch them?
That could be classed as assault.....

"A person who strikes, touches, or moves, or otherwise applies force of any kind to, the person of another, either directly or indirectly, without the other person's consent"

I would not be happy if someone woke me just because I was snoring in an aircraft, surely the onus is on the disturbed passenger to block out the sound, it is not the snorers fault?

no it would not be considered criminal assault if I woke you up on the plane by touching you because you were snoring. you could bring a civil action against me in tort law for battery. technically you would win, but you might find while the court awarded you $1 in damages, they might order you to pay the full costs of the case, including both yours and my legal costs.

if you take the definition of assault too literally then the cabin crew putting a blanket over you while you slept would also be considered assault.

normal social rules would say the onus is on the snorer to try and minimise any inconvenience as much as they can.

 

[medhead]

The High Court reaffirmed in 2001 that "tort of invasion of privacy" does not exist in Australia :
ABC v Lenah Game Meats Pty Ltd [2001] HCA 63; 208 CLR 199; 185 ALR 1; 76 ALJR 1 (15 November 2001)

Most forms of unauthorised photography were in fact authorised by the same court in 1937:

Victoria Park Racing & Recreation Grounds Co Ltd v Taylor [1937] HCA 45; (1937) 58 CLR 479 (26 August 1937)

All very interesting but I didn't say anything about invasion of privacy. I made the statement that it is often illegal to record people without their permission. (nb that is not a definitive statement as the rules vary by jusidiction) This is based on the authorised officer training I received in the early noughts.

 

[markis10]

All very interesting but I didn't say anything about invasion of privacy. I made the statement that it is often illegal to record people without their permission. (nb that is not a definitive statement as the rules vary by jusidiction) This is based on the authorised officer training I received in the early noughts.

The answer you provided was quoting another post regarding invasion of privacy in the same post, inferring it was a related statement, otherwise why would you quote it? If you read the high court judgements, it's clearly outlined that it's not illegal to record people without their permission, in a public place.

Outside performers’ rights, there is no general law in Australia preventing people being filmed without their permission. There are, however, limited privacy laws and laws which affect certain uses of a person’s image which might be applicable.

http://www.copyright.org.au/find-an-answer/browse-by-what-you-do/film-makers/

I don't believe there is an exemption for snorers.

 

[medhead]

The answer you provided was quoting another post regarding invasion of privacy in the same post, inferring it was a related statement, otherwise why would you quote it? If you read the high court judgements, it's clearly outlined that it's not illegal to record people without their permission, in a public place.



http://www.copyright.org.au/find-an-answer/browse-by-what-you-do/film-makers/

I don't believe there is an exemption for snorers.

I quoted a reply to a post that said they recorded someone snoring. There is the context. My reply has nothing to do with the privacy aspect it raises a different issue to someone who raised privacy as an issue. (i can't explain any false inference that has been drawn) If you wish to make a statement about privacy, it might have been better to quote the person who raised privacy. I'm talking about sound recording not filming, so the links are interesting but not relevant really.

 

[Mal Ware]

no it would not be considered criminal assault if I woke you up on the plane by touching you because you were snoring. you could bring a civil action against me in tort law for battery. technically you would win, but you might find while the court awarded you $1 in damages, they might order you to pay the full costs of the case, including both yours and my legal costs.

if you take the definition of assault too literally then the cabin crew putting a blanket over you while you slept would also be considered assault.

normal social rules would say the onus is on the snorer to try and minimise any inconvenience as much as they can.

Technically it could be criminal. That would be for the prosecutor to decide though..

 

[simongr]

I do find the posts about laughing at snorers to be a little offensive. People can not help if they snore (except by using devices such as CPAP). It is no different laughing at people who are short or fat or black. It isnt the sort of values I would be teaching my son.

 

[QF1]

I agree with Simongr on this....besides, as frequent flyers I would have thought we should have got used to snoring etc. types. Or maybe we have not reached the Gold/Plats in the tolerance club.