Loud snoring

[MEL_Traveller]

Technically it could be criminal. That would be for the prosecutor to decide though..

no. It wouldn't even get to the prosecutor.

I do find the posts about laughing at snorers to be a little offensive. People can not help if they snore (except by using devices such as CPAP). It is no different laughing at people who are short or fat or black. It isnt the sort of values I would be teaching my son.

Many people can help it if they snore. They could lose weight, or sleep on their side or stomach (research shows something like 54 per cent of people only snore when sleeping on their back). They could avoid alcohol. Lots of things they could do. (That won't stop those who snore because of a serious medical condition, but it might rule it out some people.)

If you know any of the above things can trigger you snoring, then you should avoid doing it on an airplane.

I agree with Simongr on this....besides, as frequent flyers I would have thought we should have got used to snoring etc. types. Or maybe we have not reached the Gold/Plats in the tolerance club.

I am not used to snoring. There is no badge that comes with being a frequent flyer that makes you immune to snoring, or uncontrolled kids or other anti-social behaviour. I can't wear headphones when i sleep as I find it uncomfortable. So noise cancelling headphones are not the answer for everyone.

However a nice quiet peaceful cabin is a good start. Especially in the front cabin.

 

[simongr]

Many people can help it if they snore. They could lose weight, or sleep on their side or stomach (research shows something like 54 per cent of people only snore when sleeping on their back). They could avoid alcohol. Lots of things they could do. (That won't stop those who snore because of a serious medical condition, but it might rule it out some people.)

If you know any of the above things can trigger you snoring, then you should avoid doing it on an airplane.

So by that token is it ok to laugh at fat people?

People might not actually know that they snore. I know I do but not every night so I do not know if I snore whilst sleeping on an aircraft.

 

[medhead]

Many people can help it if they snore. They could lose weight, or sleep on their side or stomach (research shows something like 54 per cent of people only snore when sleeping on their back). They could avoid alcohol. Lots of things they could do. (That won't stop those who snore because of a serious medical condition, but it might rule it out some people.)

If you know any of the above things can trigger you snoring, then you should avoid doing it on an airplane.

So you can look at someone and tell the reason that they snore. Wow! I do hope you're making a fortune in the medical field using your diagnostic eye sight to cure people. Simply put you have no idea why someone snores, it could very well be due to a medical issue. (I could use myself as an example and tell a few stories. But I'm not bothered) As such i agree that it is pretty pathetic to laugh at snorers.

As for the answer to laid on the side (still trying to work out how one does that in a Y seat), now that's laughable.


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[MEL_Traveller]

So by that token is it ok to laugh at fat people?

People might not actually know that they snore. I know I do but not every night so I do not know if I snore whilst sleeping on an aircraft.

Apologies. No I didn't mean it was ok to laugh at people. I was just making a general comment about whether or not people can help it.

But I do think it is ok to gently and politely wake someone if they are snoring loud enough to keep those around them awake. At least if they stay awake for a few minutes while I (and everyone else) can nod off ourselves

 

[simongr]

I do agree that very snorers could do with a prod. If I am unintentionally ruining someone else's travel experience I would like to know. Personally I might get the FA to do it. Very tricky position though and not one I would relish.

 

[ozmille]

Once on BA I went for my walk downstairs and as soon as I was on the stairs I could hear a guy snoring in the downstairs J cabin :shock: let me say I was very happy to be upstairs. Colleague of mine was telling a story about TG in J where the crew took the last row of J for a nap and they all snored so loud he couldn't sleep

 

[tuapekastar]

I snore. No idea how often or at how many decibels. I now use those nose strips on planes. I think I have had some success using them (think, only because I was reported as not snoring when using them, but I may not have snored those nights anyway without them - who knows), as reported by others in totally unscientific off-plane trials so I hope they help on-plane. I also have a pair of ear plugs with me in case someone else's snoring is bothering me. They're not perfect but they help.

I agree reasonable steps should be taken by (known) snorers to try and minimise or eliminate same. I do not agree that this should involve sleeping on one's side, losing weight, or abstaining from alcohol (though there is nothing wrong with doing any of those three if you can or you feel like it). It is all too easy for someone who does not snore (or more accurately, thinks they do not snore) to jump on a soapbox and preach to others what they should do to make the flight more comfortable for him/her. What he/she should be doing is assuming there will be snorers and looking for ways to help minimise the effects of someone else's snoring on themselves. This may prove problematic but given one does not have the resources to do a pre-flight 'snore-check' on all nearby pax, then one must assume the worst and that there will be snorers, and act accordingly.

I would have no problem being gently woken if I was snoring. Equally, I would have no qualms doing the same to someone next to me. Unless they are in a really deep sleep there are usually ways of waking people without directly touching them

 

[MEL_Traveller]

So you can look at someone and tell the reason that they snore. Wow! I do hope you're making a fortune in the medical field using your diagnostic eye sight to cure people. Simply put you have no idea why someone snores, it could very well be due to a medical issue. (I could use myself as an example and tell a few stories. But I'm not bothered) As such i agree that it is pretty pathetic to laugh at snorers.

As for the answer to laid on the side (still trying to work out how one does that in a Y seat), now that's laughable.


Sent from the Throne

you shouldn't put words in my mouth I didn't say I could diagnose people, or say why a specific person snores.

My point was if someone knows they snore, and they know it can be fixed by say, sleeping on their stomach, then they should do that. Or if they know drinking alcohol makes them prone to snoring then maybe they shold refrain.

It's not me making the diagnosis or what the best mitigating action is... it is the person themselves. They are the best people to know if there are any avoidable triggers for their snoring.

Personally I know I may snore sometimes so I sleep on my side or stomach when I fly.

 

[MatF]

I believe I snore, too. A couple of months ago I shared a hotel room for four nights with my best mate in Bangkok. He often woke me to tell me I was "chopping wood".

Errr, are you sure that wasn't some kind of euphasmism? :shock:

 

[JohnK]

Apparently I snore and it gets louder if I have had a few to drink. My mother can tolerate it. My girlfriend also tolerates but she stirs me that if she is not asleep before me she struggles to get to sleep.

Apparently I also suffer from some sort of sleep aopneia but I don't care to be tested or the solution.

there are ways to stop very loud snoring - either sleep on your front, or don't go to sleep at all.

Interesting solution.

If you are flying and you are a very loud snorer you need to try and minimise your disruption.

If you are a passenger subjected to this it is perfectly ok to wake the person up. Sometimes waking them up gives you enough time to fall asleep yourself.

But I do think it is ok to gently and politely wake someone if they are snoring loud enough to keep those around them awake. At least if they stay awake for a few minutes while I (and everyone else) can nod off ourselves

Next time I get a recliner in front of me I am going to gently and politely wake them as they do not need to recline. Makes sense to me and you think it is OK to wake someone if they are interrupting my comfort....

 

[Mal Ware]

no. It wouldn't even get to the prosecutor.

Probably not if you woke them once, but if you continued to touch and wake them then yes it could quite easily. Especially in your case as you have freely admitted here to having no problem with assaulting a person who is snoring. :mrgreen:

 

[Mal Ware]

My point was if someone knows they snore, and they know it can be fixed by say, sleeping on their stomach, then they should do that.

If you can tell me how to do that in economy on a flight I will give it a try.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

If you can tell me how to do that in economy on a flight I will give it a try.

Obviously you can't. But if you are faced with a snorer in business or economy it is much easier to wake them by nudging their seat, or by wearing noise cancelling head-phones to block out the noise.

 

[SeatBackForward]

Aside from the noise issue, I wish that snorers around me would stop consuming MY AIR.

 

[medhead]

you shouldn't put words in my mouth I didn't say I could diagnose people, or say why a specific person snores.

My point was if someone knows they snore, and they know it can be fixed by say, sleeping on their stomach, then they should do that. Or if they know drinking alcohol makes them prone to snoring then maybe they shold refrain.

It's not me making the diagnosis or what the best mitigating action is... it is the person themselves. They are the best people to know if there are any avoidable triggers for their snoring.

Personally I know I may snore sometimes so I sleep on my side or stomach when I fly.

But you are judging people who snore based solely on the fact they snore. I'm overweight/BMI obese but not excessively large, I snore loudly. Would you look at me and say I need to sleep on my side or stomach? Most likely, but it would make no difference at all. I have sleep apnea and the doctor specifically stated losing weight will not help. Why because I have another medical condition that greatly contributes to the snoring. I could run a marathon every week and I'd still snore. So it is the assumption that snoring can simply be solved as you suggest that I have an issue about. By waking someone up you are making a judgement about the solution.

Apparently I snore and it gets louder if I have had a few to drink. My mother can tolerate it. My girlfriend also tolerates but she stirs me that if she is not asleep before me she struggles to get to sleep.

Apparently I also suffer from some sort of sleep aopneia but I don't care to be tested or the solution.
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Totally support you decision. But if you're waking up tired, falling asleep in the afternoon, using the toilet multiple times during the night. I'd strongly recommend getting tested. The consequences for health scared me, in terms of stroke and heart conditions and general wellbeing.

Before I was tested I was definitely not a morning person. I could stay in bed for 8 to 10 hours and still be tired. I'd feel like I was awake the entire night. Now the difference is dramatic. I can get away with as little as 4 hours sleep a night. Sunday night to sleep at 11pm up at 4am Monday and still do a whole day's work. In Sydney I'm awake at 6am everyday with maybe 6 or 7 hours sleep. The change is dramatic to say the least.

 

[SeatBackForward]

And if you must snore, at least can we agree on the Phasing (Phasing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) so that we can really p'off everyone in the cabin?

 

[straitman]

And if you must snore, at least can we agree on the Phasing (Phasing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) so that we can really p'off everyone in the cabin?

Do we need a 'snoring zone' in the aircraft :?:

 

[MEL_Traveller]

But you are judging people who snore based solely on the fact they snore. I'm overweight/BMI obese but not excessively large, I snore loudly. Would you look at me and say I need to sleep on my side or stomach? Most likely, but it would make no difference at all. I have sleep apnea and the doctor specifically stated losing weight will not help. Why because I have another medical condition that greatly contributes to the snoring. I could run a marathon every week and I'd still snore. So it is the assumption that snoring can simply be solved as you suggest that I have an issue about. By waking someone up you are making a judgement about the solution.

You should read my quote you included in your reply. I said IF the snorer knows they can solve the problem by say, lying on their side, then they should do that. The onus is on the snorer to try and minimise their disruption. I also distinguished, very clearly, between those who might have a medical condition, and those who snore just because of extra weight, or because they sleep on their back, or because of the effects of alcohol (the latter two of which can be very easily solved by a) changing your sleeping position and b) having a bit less to drink if you know that causes you to snore).

I know I can snore. So I sleep on my stomach, problem solved. If you know you are going to snore very loudly, why not think of every possible way you could reduce the effect of that on others?

If however you cannot control it, then I don't see why it's unreasonable for someone to give you a nudge so that you stop snoring. As I have said before, often just wakign the person up so that they give you 10 minutes to fall asleep yourself is all that is required.

I am not making the slightest judgement about the snorer by waking them up - all I am indicating to them is that they are keeping me awake, and that their 'right' to snore doesn't necessarily outweigh my 'right' to some peace and quiet... at least for long enough to let me get to sleep myself.

 

[medhead]

You're making a judgement the minute you think you have the right to wake them up. You're making an assumption thy waking them up will do something to make them stop. Implicit in that assumption must be your judgement that you know why they are snoring in the first place. You're making a judgement by applying your standards onto other people and how they should sleep.


Unfortunately, waking someone up is unlikely to change their situation other than to frustrate and anger them, which may lead to confrontation if you keep doing it. Remember someone who snores could very well go through life in a constantly tired state.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

You're making a judgement the minute you think you have the right to wake them up. You're making an assumption thy waking them up will do something to make them stop. Implicit in that assumption must be your judgement that you know why they are snoring in the first place. You're making a judgement by applying your standards onto other people and how they should sleep.


Unfortunately, waking someone up is unlikely to change their situation other than to frustrate and anger them, which may lead to confrontation if you keep doing it. Remember someone who snores could very well go through life in a constantly tired state.

I can see where you are coming from, but this doesn't really apply. My primary concern, if they are snoring loudly enough, is not the reason why they are snoring, just the decibel output. If I wake them up and they can do something about it (for example adjust their sleeping position) then that's a long-term win-win situation. If they wake up briefly and that period (before they fall asleep again and snore) is enough time to let me get to sleep then that's a win for me (and other pax who may also be affected).

I don't know why you are so emphatic that waking someone up is unlikely to change their situation. It mightn't for some, but it equally might for others. In my experience, the couple of times I have 'woken' someone up (I use that term loosely - it might just nudge them out of their deep sleep) it has resulted in cessation, or time for me to get to sleep. Should I just not try for fear I offend the snorer? Should i encounter 6 hours of no sleep because I might be mistaken for making a judgement against somoene? i don't think so, but that is my opinion.


My experience has been anything but anger form the pax conerned. To the contrary they have been apologetic.


A little bit of common sense needs to be applied to the arguments here. Obviously if a pax boards with a breathing machine I'm not going to complain if they are making noise (the only time this happened was on a flight from Jakarta to bangkok).