Lower Bank interchange fees to 'enhance' credit card earn rates

Status
Not open for further replies.
Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

This will be a boon for Amex direct issued cards & may see the banks move away from issuing companion Amex cards altogether.

Yes I will look at getting a non-bank issued Amex once current award rates on my Westpac Earth Black
card combo are impacted. Considering the banks charge $400+ annual fees for their high end cards the value just won't be there.
 
Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

The guidelines on surcharging are still way too loose, so we will end up paying the same as we pay now and get less. The worst possible outcome.

The RBA did not even ban fixed surcharges like QF and VA surcharge, they just 'expect' they will no longer do it this way.
 
Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

Excellent idea. Key thing would be to look at the notices issued saying that they are decreasing points earn. If they have made any statement that it is due to RBA regulations or legal changes, then there is grounds for legal action.

For example BankWest claim that the change is due to November 2015 legislative changes - as far as I recall that cannot be right?

Media Release : Notice of Change to the “Bankwest Qantas MasterCard<sup>®</sup> and More MasterCard credit cardsâ€

Nope. Any changes made so far have been due to cuts in interchange under the old existing regime - there was already a 0.5% weighted average cap and the actual weighted average was well over 0.6%.
 
Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

so can someone explain to me will we be seeing a reduction in bonus points signups and benefits from bank issued credit card or it's still yet to be determined.
 
Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

The guidelines on surcharging are still way too loose, so we will end up paying the same as we pay now and get less. The worst possible outcome.

The RBA did not even ban fixed surcharges like QF and VA surcharge, they just 'expect' they will no longer do it this way.

Yep the ridiculousness of trying to regulate it. Let competition do its thing and ban any credit card or booking fees. Ie the price you see is the price you pay. If they want a booking fee (airlines and ticketek, etc) then it has to be incorporated in to the advertised price. How hard is it?
 
Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

so can someone explain to me will we be seeing a reduction in bonus points signups and benefits from bank issued credit card or it's still yet to be determined.

It's already happened for most.
 
Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

Nope. Any changes made so far have been due to cuts in interchange under the old existing regime - there was already a 0.5% weighted average cap and the actual weighted average was well over 0.6%.

That's what I thought. Wasn't it Visa and MasterCard who woke up in November and decided to cut the fees of their own volition?
 
Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

That's what I thought. Wasn't it Visa and MasterCard who woke up in November and decided to cut the fees of their own volition?
They were required to under the regulations. The weighted average interchange fee needed to stay below 0.5% - and with the move toward more premium cards the weighted average had gone up. The didn't wake up as such, they were compelled to.
 
Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

Yep the ridiculousness of trying to regulate it. Let competition do its thing and ban any credit card or booking fees. Ie the price you see is the price you pay. If they want a booking fee (airlines and ticketek, etc) then it has to be incorporated in to the advertised price. How hard is it?

Because you're only looking at it from the point of view of a cardholder: 1. surcharging 2. reward points.

For one example - consider the case of buying milk from a corner store vs from Woolies or Coles. If you use a Signature card, the interchange Woolies and Coles pay is about ~0.22% vs ~1.3% in interchange paid by the small store owner.

In a properly functioning market; competition drives prices (in this case it's the interchange rates) downwards. In the credit card market, what we've seen both in Australia and also globally is that in the absence of action by regulators, prices (interchange rates) actually go up and the increased costs mostly fall on those not using reward cards (cash users, debit card users).
 
Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

For one example - consider the case of buying milk from a corner store vs from Woolies or Coles. If you use a Signature card, the interchange Woolies and Coles pay is about ~0.22% vs ~1.3% in interchange paid by the small store owner.

In that example, 1.3% would equate to about 3.5 cents at the corner store - and milk at the corner store costs at least $1 more than at coles or woolies.
 
Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

According to this article, from September, surcharges at big business have to reflect the cost: http://ab.co/1OOJGJI
With small businesses having an extra year to come in to line.
 
Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

I don't think merchant fees will reduce and in any case, the tiny fraction of the price interchange represents (eg 3.5c in the corner store milk example) will not be passed on in reduced prices but kept towards the store's margin as opposed to lowering their prices like the RBA and their economic theorists fancifully think.
The reason why coles and woolies have such low processing costs is they've built their own clearing infrastructure and the sheer volume of transactions they process. A small operator won't do anywhere near the transactions that Coles and woolies process in a day in the whole time they will be in business. Of course it's cheaper for the big operators - like everywhere else in the economy, volume = reduced average cost. Coles and woolies buy from the farmer. The small operator can't deal in sufficient volume so buys from a middleman so has to sell it for more to make up for that markup. You don't give a small customer the same pricing be as you do a large customer - that's just the way it is.
 
Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

Coles and Woolworths do not pay interchange as they have individual agreements with each card acquirer and as a result each transaction is "on us" and therefore does not attract interchange.

For example: Your ANZ card is processed directly with ANZ, WBC with WBC and so on. Interchange is only charged when the acquirer and the issuer are different banks.

They have their own "switch" which enables this to happen easily and eliminate much of the cost of processing cards.
 
Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

Did you know that Qantas track the level of expired points which runs its been suggested about 30-35% and that when you die THEY inherit your points balance ?


Leave your pin with your will with instructions NOT TO CALL QANTAS but transfer like crazy !!!
 
I read the RBA Q&A and parts of the consultation paper. From that I suggested things that might happen.

1. The growth in the use of credit cards over 10 years has seen extraordinary extra profits being made. Where the mix of transactions were cash:cheque:credit card:BPay, cheques hardly exist, cash is less used, BPay can now be done via credit card...
2. Strategic merchants have been paying around the proposed capped rate for a long time. So the vast volume of transactions aren't going to see a reduced take. The vast majority of small businesses that accept cards are charged premium rates so it's this lot who will see a reduction in their interchange rate. The question becomes what's the mix of transactions that will be affected
3. Qantas Charging flat fees will no longer be able to do so. That said $7 on a $1000 domestic airfare is only 0.7%, and $30 on an international airfare of $7000 is even less.....
4. This measure removes the cross subsidy of the small value high cost transactions and shifts the cost burden to those who have been received a cost holiday.

given what's in play, while there is likely that there might be a reduced overall take, the effect of the ups and downs might not be anything like the Armageddon that has been touted for reward schemes.
what it's likely to mean is increased transaction cost on those lovely high-value Qantas fares, a soft reduction in the earning rates countered potentially by increases in annual fees. Now when lots of the banks already have offshore call centres paid at $3 per hour instead of the Australian wage cost, a reduction in profit to the shareholders is the other option, unlikely but note the recent media advice eg from the new head of ANZ that dividends are likely to fall.

None of the big 4 banks have customer facing call centres off shore for their cards business.

Keep in mind that AMEX companion cards are now under the interchange umbrella of 0.80% which makes them redundant and banks will most probably drop them. There is simply no benefit to banks to have these additional products in their fleet any more as they earn no ancillary revenue from them. The deals with AMEX are very simple and don't accomodate additional revenue sharing beyond the annual fee.

Qantas will also be a big loser in this change. Currently Qantas charge card issuers 1% of spend for a 1point per $1 reward. With a Wholesale weighted average on 0.50% and a maximum of 0.80% they will either have to drop this fee or banks will erode the benefits further hence the new normal of $2 = 1 point or thereabouts.

The Qantas cash prepaid card will also now be classified as a debit card not a premium pre paid and therefore the interchange will be capped at $0.12 per transaction (happy to be corrected on that fee however it will be a flat fee). What Qanats do with this is anyones guess.

Beyond this the scheme card fleets will become very simple. There will be a standard card and a super premium card. The Super premium card may or may not come with rewards and those rewards will only be around $2 = 1 point at maximum.

The banks will still want to capture foreign spend because once your card is used overseas, it is not classified as a local card and will attract international interchange not the capped 0.80% . This is why the citibank plus account is so attractive to citibank. The Visa debit card if used overseas earns them around 2% on spend. I would expect to see more dedicated cards aimed at travellers minus the frequent flyer points but loaded up with insurance and lounge access and other benefits.

This leaves the rest of the cards issuing businesses as marginal at best if you are a transactor. if you are a revolver expect reduced interest free days and increased interest rates on balances outstanding.

The party is over for FF rewards and scheme cards. Get an AMEX or a Diners instead.
 
Last edited:
Perhaps it's Citibank with the offshore centre..

the QF cash card has no fees ?
 
Perhaps it's Citibank with the offshore centre..

the QF cash card has no fees ?

Citi have a global call centre in the Phillipines.

The QF cash card does indeed have fees. Its a fee bonanza for Heritage (the issuer) and Qantas as they share the revenue.

In this context however we are talking about interchange and it is issued as a Platinum pre paid which has an interchange of 0.70% (consumer premium). This will now be $0.12

When you use this card overseas, it becomes a foreign card in that jurisdiction which earns the issuer around 2% depending on where its used. Foreign cards used in Australia were not included in the wholesale weighted average until now.

This is why you get double the points on overseas spend.

My guess is that they will only pay points on foreign spend and stop the domestic spend rewards as there is no change to their revenue when the card is used off shore.
 
I gathered it was / is a money spinner for Qantas thanks to all those merchants Especially the 2% and foreign exchange gains lol.
 
I gathered it was / is a money spinner for Qantas thanks to all those merchants Especially the 2% and foreign exchange gains lol.

They have just lost the interchange revenue domestically. This will change the domestic functionality and rewards.

The FX, spread and balances as well as off shore interchange will still make them money so that will most likely stay. It will become a true travel card to be used off shore.

They wont be able to offer FF points on domestic transactions as they currently are with a move from a 0.70% interchange to a $0.12 interchange. I would expect Qantas to drop the points earn on domestic transactions completely.
 
Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

The guidelines on surcharging are still way too loose, so we will end up paying the same as we pay now and get less. The worst possible outcome.

The RBA did not even ban fixed surcharges like QF and VA surcharge, they just 'expect' they will no longer do it this way.

Completely agree! It's the worth of both worlds! No proper regulation and now we are going to end up with less points and less money in our pockets.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Become an AFF member!

Join Australian Frequent Flyer (AFF) for free and unlock insider tips, exclusive deals, and global meetups with 65,000+ frequent flyers.

AFF members can also access our Frequent Flyer Training courses, and upgrade to Fast-track your way to expert traveller status and unlock even more exclusive discounts!

AFF forum abbreviations

Wondering about Y, J or any of the other abbreviations used on our forum?

Check out our guide to common AFF acronyms & abbreviations.
Back
Top