Lower Bank interchange fees to 'enhance' credit card earn rates

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Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

Yes indeed, so for the next 12 months the banks are making money at both ends.

Perhaps we should call up or write to our credit card providers and insist they reinstate the old earn levels until 1 July 2017.

I've been sparring with BankWest on Twitter, and this was their response after I pointed out the changes were not coming in for over 13 months:

While the changes are based on the upcoming interchange restrictions, the business decision was made by the bank to introduce these now.

Well alrighty then!
 
Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

I did an e-rewards survey yesterday about credit cards. They asked which cards i had, if i knew how many points I earn per $, how many points to redeem a Mel>Syd flight in Y, how many points to redeem a MEL>LHR>MEL flight in Y and how many points to redeem a $100 voucher. They then went on to compare my existing AMEX velocity and NAB cards against a CBA card which was VISA / Master Card only.

The cards were presented to me with different earn per $, different conversions to FF points, bonuses and different redemption values for a $100 gift voucher. I had to chose which one of my cards I would keep and if I would apply for the CBA card based on the offer along with what % of my spend I would direct to each card.

Seems like someone is doing some market research before the committing to changes.
 
Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

I did an e-rewards survey yesterday about credit cards. They asked which cards i had, if i knew how many points I earn per $, how many points to redeem a Mel>Syd flight in Y, how many points to redeem a MEL>LHR>MEL flight in Y and how many points to redeem a $100 voucher. They then went on to compare my existing AMEX velocity and NAB cards against a CBA card which was VISA / Master Card only.

The cards were presented to me with different earn per $, different conversions to FF points, bonuses and different redemption values for a $100 gift voucher. I had to chose which one of my cards I would keep and if I would apply for the CBA card based on the offer along with what % of my spend I would direct to each card.

Seems like someone is doing some market research before the committing to changes.

Interesting. Maybe the big 4 wil ditch Amex companion cards and offer more premium VISA/MC cards with better points earning than the current 0.5/$.
 
Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

Interesting. Maybe the big 4 wil ditch Amex companion cards and offer more premium VISA/MC cards with better points earning than the current 0.5/$.

How high can the earn rate go when the interchange cap is 0.8%? The new Bankwest World card rate of 0.66 ppd might be it.
 
Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

Interesting. Maybe the big 4 wil ditch Amex companion cards and offer more premium VISA/MC cards with better points earning than the current 0.5/$.

One of the options was a poor .25/$ :shock:
 
Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

How high can the earn rate go when the interchange cap is 0.8%?

Depends how much the banks are paying for points, and whether QF reduce the cost or not in light of the changes.
 
Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

Depends how much the banks are paying for points, and whether QF reduce the cost or not in light of the changes.

Now I'm getting bad feels that a qf devaluation in line with cheaper points is coming
 
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I think CC companies could find a number cancel cards when the rates are lowered citing the reduced points earn as the reason for cancelling only for those people to find they don't get a better points earn at other CC providers.
 
Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

How high can the earn rate go when the interchange cap is 0.8%? The new Bankwest World card rate of 0.66 ppd might be it.

Well, there are still some 1pt/$ MC/Visas around... Jetstar Plat, WOW, a couple of others I think but maybe they will not last at that earn rate.
 
Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

Well, there are still some 1pt/$ MC/Visas around... Jetstar Plat, WOW, a couple of others I think but maybe they will not last at that earn rate.

I'm going to wait until my world MC renewal to cancel and then we will see where it goes from there.

I think it will be interesting to see whether some cards increase fees or remove insurance and other benefits rather than cut points substantially.
 
Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

Depends how much the banks are paying for points, and whether QF reduce the cost or not in light of the changes.

Qantas take 1% of the spend for 1:1 redemption.

This is why at 0.80% you will be lucky to get $2:1 points on scheme cards.
 
Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

I'm going to wait until my world MC renewal to cancel and then we will see where it goes from there.

I think it will be interesting to see whether some cards increase fees or remove insurance and other benefits rather than cut points substantially.

Given that the banks all have the same cost structure (interchange) and Qantas charge them all the same price (1% of spend for $1:1 redemption) you will find them all in lock step fairly soon.

$1:1point on scheme cards is over now.

Get a proprietary Amex or the Diners/MC combo and be done with it
 
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Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

I think CC companies could find a number cancel cards when the rates are lowered citing the reduced points earn as the reason for cancelling only for those people to find they don't get a better points earn at other CC providers.

Just be aware that they all have the same costs so no one will stand out. Unless Qantas reduce the amount that they charge for points then scheme cards will not earn more than $2:1 point.

Interchange is 0.80% max
Qantas charge 1% for a 1:1 redemption

Something has to give.

The Qantas pre paid is over now too as that will be classified as a debit card and will only earn $0.12 interchange instead of the current 0.70%.

I expect that this card will either offer 1) 5 points per domestic transaction like the BWA debit card or 2) No points on domestic spend.
 
Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

How high can the earn rate go when the interchange cap is 0.8%? The new Bankwest World card rate of 0.66 ppd might be it.

They also reduced the interest free days to 44
 
Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

I think CC companies could find a number cancel cards when the rates are lowered citing the reduced points earn as the reason for cancelling only for those people to find they don't get a better points earn at other CC providers.

Like all the spoil children that ran out and cancelled their Citibank free-for-life Signature cards when the effective VFF earn dropped from 1PPD to 0.75 - which has turned out to be quite a decent offering in the new world.
 
Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

Nutcase - thanks for your replies, always insightful.

How do you think non QFF rewards cards (bank issued MC/Visa) will end up in the wash? - flexible point program cards that don't operate via 1% of spend for monthly sweep of points (or maybe they do?).

If QFF moves to 0.5PPD at best per $1 spend (assuming QFF dont devalue currency) should we expect similar from flexible point cards?
 
Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

Get a proprietary Amex or the Diners/MC combo and be done with it

I don't think there are many on this forum who don't put the majority of spend through one of those methods. However, there are other things to consider: Amex' travel insurance is average compared to some banks, they don't have an android NFC app, only 44 interest free days on many cards, forex surcharges are undesirable, high annual fees, and so on.

Plus, those playing the churn/burn game have to sit out a 12 month waiting period and often will be netting far more points via the sign on bonuses than annual spend.

The point being that there are other reasons people take out CCs than ongoing spend and it will be interesting to see how these all come out in the wash. I'm not ready to throw in the towel on all non-amex cc's just yet (but in fairness I am not far away).
 
Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

Nutcase - thanks for your replies, always insightful.

How do you think non QFF rewards cards (bank issued MC/Visa) will end up in the wash? - flexible point program cards that don't operate via 1% of spend for monthly sweep of points (or maybe they do?).

If QFF moves to 0.5PPD at best per $1 spend (assuming QFF dont devalue currency) should we expect similar from flexible point cards?

Thanks - I know that I can be quite controversial and polarising at times.

The prevailing opinion in the card industry is that, not withstanding the devaluation of rewards programs, the reduction of interchange will drive a different kind of competition and innovation.

Assuming that Qantas continue to charge the same amount for points then you can assume the following.

1) Banks will ditch their AMEX companion cards. There will be no benefit for having them and the schemes (Visa and MCW) will make this financially attractive for the banks to do so. Visa and MCW have very deep pockets and the big 4 are on the boards of both organisations. This will also drive down the banks costs. What happens to the annual fee is anyones guess but I wouldnt pay $400 per year for a card that earns 0.5 points per $1

2) Banks will use the changes to rationalise their card fleets. Expect only 2 kinds of cards. Standard and Super premium Thats it. Rewards (if any) on Super premium and nothing on standard. Many Banks wont even bother with rewards.

3) The Maximum amount of points to expect would be 0.5/$ will be the new normal. BWA currently have 0.66/$ on their super premium world card but it cant last. The numbers don't stack up.

4) Qantas will have to change its domestic point earn on its pre paid (coughpy) card as it will be reclassified as a debit card with a $0.12 interchange. Expect zero points on domestic spend or something like the BWA QFF debit at 5 points per transaction.

5) Expect reduced interest free days. 44 days will be the new normal

6) Non FF benefits will be expanded so expect to see insurance, overseas fee changes etc. Keep in mind that when your card is used overseas, no matter if its a debit, gold or platinum it is classified as "overseas" and attracts a higher interchange of around 2%. Overseas spend is not a huge amount compared with domestic. Less that 10% in fact. Banks will need to get creative with how to give benefits at low costs.

7) AMEX will go nuts getting in on the act and will own the rewards market however they will be under pressure as banks move to "interchange plus" pricing for merchants which will make things very challenging for AMEX.

8) I would get a Diners/MCW combination right now.

9) Merchants will hate AMEX even more. The transparency in pricing will be even more stark.

10) Non FF rewards? Mastercard own Pinpoint who basically own this space. Non FF rewards will become increasingly irrelevant and many banks wont bother.

11) Other Airlines? Maybe but who will blink first and reduce the amount they charge for points? Thats the problem. There is so little to play with 0.80% is the maximum and 0.50% is the wholesale weighted average. The RBA wanted 0.00% and were prepared to compromise to 0.30%. This isn't over yet.

I hope this answers your questions.
 
Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

The Qantas pre paid is over now too as that will be classified as a debit card and will only earn $0.12 interchange instead of the current 0.70%.

My reading of the new rules is debit cards will be $0.15 or 0.2%, which ever is higher. Still a big decrease however.

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Re: Interchange regulation will lower Visa and MasterCard Points Earn in 2016

I don't think there are many on this forum who don't put the majority of spend through one of those methods. However, there are other things to consider: Amex' travel insurance is average compared to some banks, they don't have an android NFC app, only 44 interest free days on many cards, forex surcharges are undesirable, high annual fees, and so on.

Plus, those playing the churn/burn game have to sit out a 12 month waiting period and often will be netting far more points via the sign on bonuses than annual spend.

The point being that there are other reasons people take out CCs than ongoing spend and it will be interesting to see how these all come out in the wash. I'm not ready to throw in the towel on all non-amex cc's just yet (but in fairness I am not far away).

Welcome to the new world order.

The sign on bonuses are basically just refunding (or comping you) the annual fee.

I dont like the forex fees. As a product manager it makes little sense however not everyone is as well informed as those on this forum. Foreign spend as a percentage of total card spend is less than 10% but the banks make a lot from it due to the interchange on your card being "foreign" and netting them around 2% no matter what the card type. That citibank plus account debit card is deliberately without the forex fees for this reason. Its making them 2% on your foreign spend and your are placing cash in there and getting no interest.

The big 4 persist with these diabolical travel cards which are a rip off of the highest order.

Lets see who blinks first. The reality is that Qantas are the ones under pressure here. The banks will always pass on the costs somewhere or walk away.
 
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